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> Until recently, only spies and criminals had to worry this obsessively about their private statements being picked up by electronic equipment. > But soon, th
by matheusmoreira 3mo ago
> Until recently, only spies and criminals had to worry this obsessively about their private statements being picked up by electronic equipment.
> But soon, the average person might need to deploy surveillance countermeasures.
Already there. If you want privacy and anonymity online, you're looking at literal terrorist cell tier tradecraft. That means pulling up documents written by people from the "counterterrorism community" and "intelligence community" and learning how all of these "clandestines" operate.
Unlinking one's identity from one's actions and speech requires some serious OPSEC now. It requires constant, never ending effort. It requires perfect execution and discipline.
- inigyou 3mo agoUsing GrapheneOS makes you a terrorist now. I'm a terrorist.
- matheusmoreira 3mo agoWe're all terrorists here. Own a general purpose computer you can run arbitrary software on, not just corporation and government approved software? You're clearly a money laundering drug trafficking child molesting terrorist.
- Gud 3mo agoLet’s be real, it’s an important topic.
- xnzakg 3mo agoDon't worry, the arbitrary software is probably running under Intel's ME or AMD's PSP.
- Noaidi 3mo agoThis is why we should all be stopping, or at least minimizing, the use of our phones. The point is it’ll make the corporations more mad and that will get the government to change. money changes everything
- Alive-in-2025 3mo agoSince the courts decided you have to use your fingerprint to unlock your phone (because they decided that's not giving up your password and they can't compel you to give up your password), what if you use your fingerprint to wipe your phone? But you don't tell anyone ahead of time when they force you to use it. I'm sure you'd be arrested at the least. I can't be the only person who has thought of this.
- amelius 3mo agoBest approach is to shadow-ban the user when they do a secret gesture before logging in. No wiping necessary. Easiest implementation is to just log them into a shadow account.
- inigyou 3mo agoGrapheneOS rejected the shadow account idea because it would be very obvious to everyone that it was a shadow account.
- BoppreH 3mo agoIANAL, but I would bet that's still destruction of evidence. Judges are human, for better or worse, and can see the intention behind cute tricks like this. It might work if your fingerprint was used while you were unconscious, but any solution that starts with "setup a trigger that wipes a device" is already on shaky grounds.
- mdp2021 3mo ago> Using GrapheneOS makes you a According to?
- brazzy 3mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49063022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49063022
- Hoodedcrow 3mo agoStatements like this are a stretch. This was not the fact of using the OS, but specifically the fact of wiping it. The situation is atrocious enough as is, no need to make up additions.
- inigyou 3mo agohttps://www.androidauthority.com/why-i-use-grapheneos-on-pixel-3575477/ https://www.androidauthority.com/why-i-use-grapheneos-on-pix...
- mdp2021 3mo agoThank you, I will devour it, but it seems to misrepresent a naïve point: simple Bayes. Id est, > Law enforcement officials in Catalonia say they associate Pixels with crime because drug traffickers are increasingly turning to these phones And that is correct behaviour under frequentistic reasoning (and still abysmal behaviour in the non-expressed potential case that it be done indiscriminately): if in a population a tool is related to many criminals and the very few sane people, that tool is a justified element for suspicion. But for suspicion only, in the coldest terms: the Sane use it, and using it is a sign of sanity: for that reason, of course you do not /assume/ that those who use that tools are criminals. To have a knife raises suspect in the land of the stabbers and raises little suspect in the land of the scouts. Only the bad tail of the curve mixes "suspect" and "assumption"; and only the worse tail of the curve thinks that since stabbers use knives we should do without them. Especially in this dire case in which obviously for reasons of Dignity, we will not, all capitals, ___will not___, keep spying devices on us. It is difficult to find examples and similes stronger than the actual case. The article in fact fumbles into a very bad sentence: > You might be wondering: if I don’t have anything to hide, why should I bother using GrapheneOS? That[!!!] a fair question No, that is a very stupid question: Dignity imposes privacy, and we have ___everything___ to hide to the zombie apocalypse of cretins.
- dwedge 3mo agoI used GrapheneOS without a sim card for 4 months and the battery life was great. I put a sim card in, and since then (2 months) the battery dies twice as fast no matter which profile it's in, and dies faster even on airplane mode. I left it at 80% the other day and went out, came back 6 hours later and it was dead and red hot. Maybe it's just a dodgy phone, maybe it's not doing something on the less-trackable sim connection, but I realised I can never really know.
- NewJazz 3mo agoWhat model do you have? The pixel 6a does terribly when it is in 5g mode, something abput the hardware is broken or bugged. My friend who has a 6a has to keep it in 4g only mode or sacrifice battrry life.
- dwedge 3mo agoPixel 9 but it could be another obscure bug that only shows up with that Sim
- red-iron-pine 3mo agolasts for days with a pixel 9. literally don't need to plug it in for a couple days at a stretch might just be an older phone and older battery
- dwedge 3mo agoIt's a 9 and I had exactly the same experience until I put the Sim in. Maybe I should try first taking the Sim back out and second reinstalling it
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- toolman62 2mo agoYes you can. Open settings and search "log". View log and see EVERYTHING your phone does without your input. Expect to spend hours just going back thru that day.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3mo agoFriend of a friend retired several years ago from Intel. He'll go into detail about all the ways you're being spied on. He won't let you into his house with a smartphone; you have to turn it off and leave it in your car. I used to think he was just paranoid...
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago> He'll go into detail about all the ways you're being spied on. Don't doubt it for even a second.
- exodust 3mo ago> He won't let you into his house with a smartphone His mistrust might be about the phone's owner and the recording apps they might use, more than the smartphone itself. Socially it's much safer to direct suspicion at "the smartphone" rather than the people invited to your house.
- close04 3mo agoA visitor who wants to record will just have a second recording device. Asking nicely to leave the phone behind could only protect from spying the phone owner never intended.
- exodust 3mo agoI thought of that, but dismissed the idea due to reality. In reality, deliberately taking a second recording device other than your phone, escalates intention and risk. If we assume the visitors were unaware of the phone rule before arrival, there's no chance anyone will bring a second recording device. > A visitor who wants to record... Will use the recording device they already carry. If discovered, your phone can hide behind a million excuses. "whoops, I forgot to end my call" or "whoops, I forgot to shut down my streaming app." It can also hide its recording status when using certain covert or custom apps. It is the ultimate recording device able to operate in the open.
- Hoodedcrow 3mo ago
- jahnu 3mo ago“Chief, we got a citizen here with a suspiciously small online footprint. Investigate further?”
- mdp2021 3mo agoI met the parent comment downvoted: I don't know why, given e.g. the rule from the current administration in the USA that, for visitors, the absence of social network profiles is to be taken as cause for suspicion.
- Borg3 3mo agoAnd this is what I worry about. Seriously. My online footprint is minimal. I just hope gov will be still incompetent and lazy...
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- slipperybeluga 3mo agoI've applied to jobs recently that require listing LinkedIn profile. Don't see how that is legal. I always put something like idonthavesocialmedia.com but I imagine it's a strike against me according to see brainless HR drone who sees it as problematic
- inigyou 3mo agoIIRC ICE has detained people trying to enter America without social media apps.
- jbxntuehineoh 3mo agowise move, they could be radical anarcho-boomerists
- red-iron-pine 3mo agoit's kinda like how the old FBI email monitoring thing, CARNIVORE, automatically flagged anyone talking about BSD for a 2nd scan
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- purplemoonx 3mo agoThis is paranoid. It is not that hard. HN famously can’t keep people out of here. They make new accounts. It’s not enough to IP ban. It’s impossible to retarget people even without vpn, all I need is a different cell tower. I interact at various levels of anon all the time, it’s easy just cover your: -Network (geo/IP) -Device (useragent, cookies) -Fingerprints (browser vendor, screen size) And you’re off to trolling
- datadrivenangel 3mo agoGood luck keeping law enforcement from finding your location if they really don't like you.
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- vaylian 3mo agoPalantir and Flock have entered the chat
- purplemoonx 3mo agoMainstream News has entered your mind. It likes it here, and is going to stay a while.
- txrx0000 3mo agoWhile this is true, it's not an all-or-nothing game. A little bit of countersurveillance is better than none, even if you're not that savvy. We can win by gradually raising the per capita cost of surveillance until it's infeasible to surveil everybody. Individual digital sovereignty will be achieved eventually, but we won't get there in a single step. Start small and iterate. Even simple things like periodically wiping browser cache or changing the apps you use can meaningfully raise the cost.
- adolph 3mo ago> Unlinking one's identity from one's actions and speech This is an odd formulation. What is one's identity other than one's actions (physical body) and speech (mental state serialized into language)?
- calvinmorrison 3mo agoor just get on the alternet. If you and your peers care about communicating and you dont feel like doing state witch craft, the easiest thing is to just setup your own opt in systems and not use facebook, etc. run your own IRC server, file share, whatever. self host. it's easier than ever. Don't use discord, run your own communities, etc.