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Or come to downtown Vancouver. I live in a small apartment, but within four blocks I have a community centre with gym, a pharmacy, a post office, a grocery stor

by danudey 2mo ago

Or come to downtown Vancouver. I live in a small apartment, but within four blocks I have a community centre with gym, a pharmacy, a post office, a grocery store, a small bakery, the best liquor store in the city, three banks, a hot pot restaurant, a physiotherapist/massage therapist office, a vet, a dispensary, multiple hairdressers, an optometrist, several restaurants, two places to get gelato, a public plaza with a weekly farmer's market, a walking/cycling route along the waterfront, a car wash, a sports bar with arcade machines, skeeball, and pinball, an enclosed pollinator meadow, a science museum/IMAX theatre, two separate public "subway" lines (though one is elevated and one is below-grade), and two private but inexpensive water taxi services. I can leave my house at 6 AM and go get fresh bread or baked goods and go sit by the water, or I can leave the house at 7 AM to get groceries if I'm out of something and be back by 7:10. American cities don't want this because having a huge empty house with a huge empty yard and having to drive 90 minutes to get to work or 30 minutes to get groceries is the American Dream and no one who's been sold this dream wants to believe that there are so many better and more efficient ways to live.

giwook 2mo ago
One key difference that jumps out at me between various cities in Japan and Vancouver is that the COL seems significantly better in Japan. When I visited Vancouver I couldn't afford to stay in or even near the city, I had to find a place about 20 minutes away and even then it was pricey. Whereas in Japan I had no problem finding affordable stays in city centers in all of the major cities I visited, including Tokyo. I will admit my ignorance here however and acknowledge there are likely myriad other variables at play here that I'm not considering.
- jerlam 2mo ago
  As a visitor, it's probably impossible to know the real cost of living is in different areas, because you're not employed locally, paid local wages, or paying rent and utilities. You are a foreigner with foreign money staying in hotels.
- pibaker 2mo ago
  Affordable to you or affordable to the locals? The yen has devalued a lot in the past decade or so, giving foreigners a lot more spending power in Japan and causing the current tourism boom and backlash.
  - torisima 2mo ago
    The weak yen has certainly made Japan feel much cheaper for foreign visitors in recent years. But even before that, the general price level was lower than in many Western cities. Also, if you're trying to save money as a local, moving just 3–4 train stops away often makes a noticeable difference in rent or hotel prices.
  - ryan_lane 2mo ago
    Still affordable to locals. The yen has devalued, and the cost of mansions (condos) have gone up, but single family homes, small apartments, etc are still similarly priced to buy, and rent is generally stable. A major difference is that if you are OK with a tiny apartment, you can get one, and it'll be something you can pay. You can definitely see affects of the poor economy lately (lots of pawn shops popping up, replacing expensive cafes/restaurants), but housing is still reasonable for now.
  - giwook 2mo ago
    Affordable to everyone.
prteja11 2mo ago
While you are correct about Vancouver downtown, once you get o suburbs like Langley, Coquitlam, they are no different that what you are calling out American cities for. If we limit this to downtowns, there are several cities in America that are similar (Boston, Seattle, SF, SanDiego, Austin, NYC to name a few).
- giwook 2mo ago
  I think OP must be in their early 20s and has not experienced much of life yet. And there's nothing wrong with that.
  - FloorEgg 2mo ago
    That would imply they created their hacker news account when they were 3-8 years old. Seems unlikely. Its more likely that they simply value all the convenience they listed over having their own backyard, larger living space, living in a quiet safe neighborhood for kids to run around in, and being surrounded by nature.
- boron1006 2mo ago
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- testing22321 2mo ago
  > there are several cities in America that are similar (Boston, Seattle, SF, SanDiego, Austin, NYC to name a few). Worth noting the US does not have a single city in the top 20 worlds most livable. Honolulu is #25, Atlanta gets #35 That tells you something.
  - newfriend 2mo ago
    Yes, it tells me the methodology is biased.
    - testing22321 2mo ago
      Hahaha. Absolutely on point. Don’t like the outcome? Methodology is bad. Never mind this has been around for decades. It actually makes perfect sense. In every metric that impacts a persons everyday life the us is almost always dead last among OECD countries. So of course the cites are too.
treis 2mo ago
It's because living in downtown Vancouver is expensive. Your rent probably comes close to covering the mortgage on one of those huge empty houses in the suburbs. That fresh baked good is probably ~$4 while the equivalent at Walmart is $1. No doubt it's a great lifestyle for well off DINKs. A lot harder to make it work for a family of 5 on 50k a year.
- smw 2mo ago
  I don't think there really _is_ an equivalent at Walmart?
  - picofarad 2mo ago
    Walmart bakes fresh bread too. I get it Walmart sucks but they do have everything that a normal supermarket has, including fresh hot food, bakery, deli.
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- kaladin-jasnah 2mo ago
  Yeah, something that bothers me is that there is such a tradeoff between affordability and walkabiliy. Most of the walkable cities/towns I would imagine being able to afford living in later in life I would imagine will no longer be affordable when I eventually make money (even on a dual income). Granted, I also don't want to live in dense areas but also want walkability.
  - bombcar 2mo ago
    I can find affordable walkability across the US - if we define affordability as "not that much more expensive than the new McMansions outside of the smallish town" - the usual downside is you have to accept whatever that small town offers in its two mile radius. You're not getting affordable NYC or SF.
- lwansbrough 2mo ago
  It shouldn’t be, and certainly doesn’t have to be. Logically it should be cheaper to live in an apartment than an entire house - obviously. Suburbs are subsidized by economic centres. And the state of affairs in North America - Vancouver included - is we’re not building housing to match demand. That’s true purely in terms of individual units but it’s also true for types of units. Like apartments that aren’t luxury units, but that can fit a family. They don’t build those anymore because city council makes it completely unprofitable for developers. If you think that apartment living is inherently more expensive I’m sorry to tell you that you have it completely backwards.
waffletower 2mo ago
I live in an American city. I have a yard large enough to play frisbee with my dog. I walk downstairs to go to work. I can walk to a good taqueria and take pole dancing classes a few doors up (someday). There is an evil bank that I could walk to but don't. Cafe, Thai, Soul Food, Vietnamese, Pizza. Closer than all of the walking distance I mentioned is light rail that goes downtown and further. Someday it might even go to Vancouver (the other one sadly :( )
orangedog 2mo ago
I live in a US city. I have a nature area, gym, pharmacy, grocery store, numerous restaurants, bar, and a bunch of other amenities you just listed. I live basically on the rail line so I can get to the rest of the city in 30 minutes (with more of said amenities) and am at the intersection of two major highways which means I have even more travel options. I'm 2 train stops from a smaller downtown which has every botique shop you can imagine. I do live in a place that was specifically designed for this but these places are designed and aren't that unheard of in US cities. When I lived in the suburbs I had similar options a few minutes walk from my house.
meerita 2mo ago
America is too big to compare it with one single city of Canada.
- shevy-java 2mo ago
  Canada wins either way. You can notice this on reddit discussions too - they are absolutely upset about the orange king. And that motivates Canadians to do better than Americans now - after all you don't want the orange king to be able to ruin Canada here.
  - gilthelander 2mo ago
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    - Larrikin 2mo ago
      This feels like a what about comment with no meaningful what about.
  - fidotron 2mo ago
    The single most frustrating thing about being in Canada is they can't even work out how to use their current grievances to deal with, you know, getting out of our own way like the crazy inter provincial trade restrictions. And yet the complex remains. One of the insane aspects of this is it's genuinely easier to deal with foreign countries than other parts of the same country . . . but I digress.
giwook 2mo ago
Plenty of American cities have this. I have three big grocery stores within a 2-7 minute walk. Myriad restaurants, bakeries, and cafes literally on the same block and within walking distance of me. Vancouver is great, just wanted to call out the bias and massive overgeneralization in your statement.
- testing22321 2mo ago
  What a shame you don’t have good public transit, horrible crime and pollution, poor schools and a police force that is actively against you. The US does not have a single city in the top 20 worlds most livable for a reason. (Many, actually)
  - giwook 2mo ago
    And yet many people continue to choose to live in the US or actively try to immigrate here. "Most livable" is highly subjective and such rankings are but one lens to evaluate where to live. Unfortunately there is no such thing as utopia and there are always pros and cons.
  - snovymgodym 2mo ago
    It's a big country. Even today there are wonderful places to live in the USA, and also terrible places.
    - testing22321 2mo ago
      Absolutely. And even the wonderful places don’t make the top 20 in the world.
- drekipus 2mo ago
  > Plenty of American cities have this. I have three big grocery stores... Yeah this is precisely the exact opposite of what the article is talking about.
gilthelander 2mo ago
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- testing22321 2mo ago
  > Canada basically IS the US with metric and the people talk funny. I’ve spent considerable time in both - seen something around 46 states and all but two provinces and territories. I’m actually an immigrant from a different OECD county. On the surface, the US and Canada are fairly similar. Once you live and go to work everyday, the differences are stark. Every single person in Canada has healthcare. Medical bankruptcy does not exist. People are much kinder, much less prone to anger and violence, and happier. There is vastly less crime. People care about the collective good, not just themselves. The US is a dog eat dog world. Canada is a work together world. I’d been living and working in the US for 6 months, and came to Canada for the first time. After 30 minutes I felt more at home and happier than I did at any time during six months in the US. They are NOT the same. Anyone that thinks they are should live in Canada for a few years and see how they feel.
  - dismalaf 2mo ago
    > Every single person in Canada has healthcare If you're ok waiting 6-18 months for basically everything that's not life threatening. The reality is that people either suffer in our system or go abroad for medical treatment. > I’d been living and working in the US for 6 months, and came to Canada for the first time. After 30 minutes I felt more at home and happier than I did at any time during six months in the US. Of course, you were on vacation. Wait until you find out that the median Canadian income is ~$33k USD and s typical apartment is ~$2500 per month for 2 bedrooms. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1110023901&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.1&pickMembers%5B2%5D=3.1&pickMembers%5B3%5D=4.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2020&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2024&referencePeriods=20200101%2C20240101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=111002...
    - testing22321 2mo ago
      I’ve now lived in Canada for 16 years. I’ve had surgeries, my wife gave birth, plenty of friends have been through the ER and doctors (we mountain bike, ski, snowboard, etc) Please, please stop making stuff up.
testing22321 2mo ago
> Or come to downtown Vancouver In the last ~20 years Vancouver has almost always been the number one or number two worlds most livable city, so this makes perfect sense.
kimjune01 2mo ago
Vancouver dream, not achievable with a median income
seanmcdirmid 2mo ago
I live in Ballard Seattle, we have most of that except the hot pot place (we are getting a Korean BBQ someday soon though). Ok, no imax (you have to take the bus to Seattle center for that). And…no subway-like mass transit until 2065 it seems. But you can get that in the states, you just need to pay for it, although the prices are something Vancouverites can surely emphasize with. And frankly, Vancouver area has some wicked unhappy commute opportunities as well. The nice thing about living in China was that it was easy and cheap to live urban.
- j16sdiz 2mo ago
  > The nice thing about living in China was that it was easy and cheap to live urban. It is not that cheap when you adjust for the average hourly salary. and imported goods are disproportionly expensive when you need them
  - seanmcdirmid 2mo ago
    It really isn’t that bad even if you do adjust for local salaries, but only to a point. Still have lots of people commuting in from the suburbs and that can be a brutal 2 hour commute each way.
richardatlarge 2mo ago
America's greatest achievement is to last as long as it has while inverting all common sense. What is the fatal seed, I often wonder. I think this article suggests what it is. The role of the car in its fabric suggests it's hyper-individualism: a myth that the more untethered the self it, the more it will thrive. Hogwash
- shimman 2mo ago
  Probably goes back to the Roman idea of ownership + dominion; you're legally allowed to neglect your property. Compare this with some American tribes, during the same time period, where property ownership was shared and based on who were the best stewards of the land (neglect your space, and you lose standing in the community).
aianus 2mo ago
Vancouver is SF-level drug disorder paired with Detroit salaries, in no way is it more "livable" than a nice US suburb.
- vkou 2mo ago
  99% of Vancouver by area does not have anything resembling 'SF level drug disorder', and if your 'nice US suburb' didn't just punt all of its fucking problems into its nearest downtown, it too would have an East Hastings, or three. It probably has a lower homicide rate (and a vastly lower vehicular homicide rate) per capita than your 'nice US suburb'. That same 'nice US suburb' is also, for some reason, packed to the gills with terrified people who have an inexplicable desire to own guns for 'self-defense'. Self-defense from what..? Having been to quite a number of what I would call 'nice US suburbs', and knowing people from them, a significant fraction of them act like they are living in some lawless Mad Max hellscape. How do you square this circle?
- CyberDildonics 2mo ago
  This makes me think you haven't spent time in any of these cities.
- foco_tubi 2mo ago
  Are you implying “nice” US suburbs don’t have drug disorders?

by danudey 2mo ago

giwook 2mo ago

One key difference that jumps out at me between various cities in Japan and Vancouver is that the COL seems significantly better in Japan. When I visited Vancouver I couldn't afford to stay in or even near the city, I had to find a place about 20 minutes away and even then it was pricey. Whereas in Japan I had no problem finding affordable stays in city centers in all of the major cities I visited, including Tokyo. I will admit my ignorance here however and acknowledge there are likely myriad other variables at play here that I'm not considering.

jerlam 2mo ago
As a visitor, it's probably impossible to know the real cost of living is in different areas, because you're not employed locally, paid local wages, or paying rent and utilities. You are a foreigner with foreign money staying in hotels.
pibaker 2mo ago
Affordable to you or affordable to the locals? The yen has devalued a lot in the past decade or so, giving foreigners a lot more spending power in Japan and causing the current tourism boom and backlash.
- torisima 2mo ago
  The weak yen has certainly made Japan feel much cheaper for foreign visitors in recent years. But even before that, the general price level was lower than in many Western cities. Also, if you're trying to save money as a local, moving just 3–4 train stops away often makes a noticeable difference in rent or hotel prices.
- ryan_lane 2mo ago
  Still affordable to locals. The yen has devalued, and the cost of mansions (condos) have gone up, but single family homes, small apartments, etc are still similarly priced to buy, and rent is generally stable. A major difference is that if you are OK with a tiny apartment, you can get one, and it'll be something you can pay. You can definitely see affects of the poor economy lately (lots of pawn shops popping up, replacing expensive cafes/restaurants), but housing is still reasonable for now.
- giwook 2mo ago
  Affordable to everyone.

prteja11 2mo ago

While you are correct about Vancouver downtown, once you get o suburbs like Langley, Coquitlam, they are no different that what you are calling out American cities for. If we limit this to downtowns, there are several cities in America that are similar (Boston, Seattle, SF, SanDiego, Austin, NYC to name a few).

giwook 2mo ago
I think OP must be in their early 20s and has not experienced much of life yet. And there's nothing wrong with that.
- FloorEgg 2mo ago
  That would imply they created their hacker news account when they were 3-8 years old. Seems unlikely. Its more likely that they simply value all the convenience they listed over having their own backyard, larger living space, living in a quiet safe neighborhood for kids to run around in, and being surrounded by nature.
boron1006 2mo ago
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testing22321 2mo ago
> there are several cities in America that are similar (Boston, Seattle, SF, SanDiego, Austin, NYC to name a few). Worth noting the US does not have a single city in the top 20 worlds most livable. Honolulu is #25, Atlanta gets #35 That tells you something.
- newfriend 2mo ago
  Yes, it tells me the methodology is biased.
  - testing22321 2mo ago
    Hahaha. Absolutely on point. Don’t like the outcome? Methodology is bad. Never mind this has been around for decades. It actually makes perfect sense. In every metric that impacts a persons everyday life the us is almost always dead last among OECD countries. So of course the cites are too.

treis 2mo ago

It's because living in downtown Vancouver is expensive. Your rent probably comes close to covering the mortgage on one of those huge empty houses in the suburbs. That fresh baked good is probably ~$4 while the equivalent at Walmart is $1. No doubt it's a great lifestyle for well off DINKs. A lot harder to make it work for a family of 5 on 50k a year.

smw 2mo ago
I don't think there really _is_ an equivalent at Walmart?
- picofarad 2mo ago
  Walmart bakes fresh bread too. I get it Walmart sucks but they do have everything that a normal supermarket has, including fresh hot food, bakery, deli.
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kaladin-jasnah 2mo ago
Yeah, something that bothers me is that there is such a tradeoff between affordability and walkabiliy. Most of the walkable cities/towns I would imagine being able to afford living in later in life I would imagine will no longer be affordable when I eventually make money (even on a dual income). Granted, I also don't want to live in dense areas but also want walkability.
- bombcar 2mo ago
  I can find affordable walkability across the US - if we define affordability as "not that much more expensive than the new McMansions outside of the smallish town" - the usual downside is you have to accept whatever that small town offers in its two mile radius. You're not getting affordable NYC or SF.
lwansbrough 2mo ago
It shouldn’t be, and certainly doesn’t have to be. Logically it should be cheaper to live in an apartment than an entire house - obviously. Suburbs are subsidized by economic centres. And the state of affairs in North America - Vancouver included - is we’re not building housing to match demand. That’s true purely in terms of individual units but it’s also true for types of units. Like apartments that aren’t luxury units, but that can fit a family. They don’t build those anymore because city council makes it completely unprofitable for developers. If you think that apartment living is inherently more expensive I’m sorry to tell you that you have it completely backwards.

waffletower 2mo ago

I live in an American city. I have a yard large enough to play frisbee with my dog. I walk downstairs to go to work. I can walk to a good taqueria and take pole dancing classes a few doors up (someday). There is an evil bank that I could walk to but don't. Cafe, Thai, Soul Food, Vietnamese, Pizza. Closer than all of the walking distance I mentioned is light rail that goes downtown and further. Someday it might even go to Vancouver (the other one sadly :( )

orangedog 2mo ago

I live in a US city. I have a nature area, gym, pharmacy, grocery store, numerous restaurants, bar, and a bunch of other amenities you just listed. I live basically on the rail line so I can get to the rest of the city in 30 minutes (with more of said amenities) and am at the intersection of two major highways which means I have even more travel options. I'm 2 train stops from a smaller downtown which has every botique shop you can imagine. I do live in a place that was specifically designed for this but these places are designed and aren't that unheard of in US cities. When I lived in the suburbs I had similar options a few minutes walk from my house.

meerita 2mo ago

America is too big to compare it with one single city of Canada.

shevy-java 2mo ago
Canada wins either way. You can notice this on reddit discussions too - they are absolutely upset about the orange king. And that motivates Canadians to do better than Americans now - after all you don't want the orange king to be able to ruin Canada here.
- gilthelander 2mo ago
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  - Larrikin 2mo ago
    This feels like a what about comment with no meaningful what about.
- fidotron 2mo ago
  The single most frustrating thing about being in Canada is they can't even work out how to use their current grievances to deal with, you know, getting out of our own way like the crazy inter provincial trade restrictions. And yet the complex remains. One of the insane aspects of this is it's genuinely easier to deal with foreign countries than other parts of the same country . . . but I digress.

giwook 2mo ago

Plenty of American cities have this. I have three big grocery stores within a 2-7 minute walk. Myriad restaurants, bakeries, and cafes literally on the same block and within walking distance of me. Vancouver is great, just wanted to call out the bias and massive overgeneralization in your statement.

testing22321 2mo ago
What a shame you don’t have good public transit, horrible crime and pollution, poor schools and a police force that is actively against you. The US does not have a single city in the top 20 worlds most livable for a reason. (Many, actually)
- giwook 2mo ago
  And yet many people continue to choose to live in the US or actively try to immigrate here. "Most livable" is highly subjective and such rankings are but one lens to evaluate where to live. Unfortunately there is no such thing as utopia and there are always pros and cons.
- snovymgodym 2mo ago
  It's a big country. Even today there are wonderful places to live in the USA, and also terrible places.
  - testing22321 2mo ago
    Absolutely. And even the wonderful places don’t make the top 20 in the world.
drekipus 2mo ago
> Plenty of American cities have this. I have three big grocery stores... Yeah this is precisely the exact opposite of what the article is talking about.

gilthelander 2mo ago

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testing22321 2mo ago
> Canada basically IS the US with metric and the people talk funny. I’ve spent considerable time in both - seen something around 46 states and all but two provinces and territories. I’m actually an immigrant from a different OECD county. On the surface, the US and Canada are fairly similar. Once you live and go to work everyday, the differences are stark. Every single person in Canada has healthcare. Medical bankruptcy does not exist. People are much kinder, much less prone to anger and violence, and happier. There is vastly less crime. People care about the collective good, not just themselves. The US is a dog eat dog world. Canada is a work together world. I’d been living and working in the US for 6 months, and came to Canada for the first time. After 30 minutes I felt more at home and happier than I did at any time during six months in the US. They are NOT the same. Anyone that thinks they are should live in Canada for a few years and see how they feel.
- dismalaf 2mo ago
  > Every single person in Canada has healthcare If you're ok waiting 6-18 months for basically everything that's not life threatening. The reality is that people either suffer in our system or go abroad for medical treatment. > I’d been living and working in the US for 6 months, and came to Canada for the first time. After 30 minutes I felt more at home and happier than I did at any time during six months in the US. Of course, you were on vacation. Wait until you find out that the median Canadian income is ~$33k USD and s typical apartment is ~$2500 per month for 2 bedrooms. https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1110023901&pickMembers%5B0%5D=1.1&pickMembers%5B1%5D=2.1&pickMembers%5B2%5D=3.1&pickMembers%5B3%5D=4.1&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2020&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2024&referencePeriods=20200101%2C20240101 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=111002...
  - testing22321 2mo ago
    I’ve now lived in Canada for 16 years. I’ve had surgeries, my wife gave birth, plenty of friends have been through the ER and doctors (we mountain bike, ski, snowboard, etc) Please, please stop making stuff up.

testing22321 2mo ago

> Or come to downtown Vancouver In the last ~20 years Vancouver has almost always been the number one or number two worlds most livable city, so this makes perfect sense.

kimjune01 2mo ago

Vancouver dream, not achievable with a median income

seanmcdirmid 2mo ago

I live in Ballard Seattle, we have most of that except the hot pot place (we are getting a Korean BBQ someday soon though). Ok, no imax (you have to take the bus to Seattle center for that). And…no subway-like mass transit until 2065 it seems. But you can get that in the states, you just need to pay for it, although the prices are something Vancouverites can surely emphasize with. And frankly, Vancouver area has some wicked unhappy commute opportunities as well. The nice thing about living in China was that it was easy and cheap to live urban.

j16sdiz 2mo ago
> The nice thing about living in China was that it was easy and cheap to live urban. It is not that cheap when you adjust for the average hourly salary. and imported goods are disproportionly expensive when you need them
- seanmcdirmid 2mo ago
  It really isn’t that bad even if you do adjust for local salaries, but only to a point. Still have lots of people commuting in from the suburbs and that can be a brutal 2 hour commute each way.

richardatlarge 2mo ago

America's greatest achievement is to last as long as it has while inverting all common sense. What is the fatal seed, I often wonder. I think this article suggests what it is. The role of the car in its fabric suggests it's hyper-individualism: a myth that the more untethered the self it, the more it will thrive. Hogwash

shimman 2mo ago
Probably goes back to the Roman idea of ownership + dominion; you're legally allowed to neglect your property. Compare this with some American tribes, during the same time period, where property ownership was shared and based on who were the best stewards of the land (neglect your space, and you lose standing in the community).

aianus 2mo ago

Vancouver is SF-level drug disorder paired with Detroit salaries, in no way is it more "livable" than a nice US suburb.

vkou 2mo ago
99% of Vancouver by area does not have anything resembling 'SF level drug disorder', and if your 'nice US suburb' didn't just punt all of its fucking problems into its nearest downtown, it too would have an East Hastings, or three. It probably has a lower homicide rate (and a vastly lower vehicular homicide rate) per capita than your 'nice US suburb'. That same 'nice US suburb' is also, for some reason, packed to the gills with terrified people who have an inexplicable desire to own guns for 'self-defense'. Self-defense from what..? Having been to quite a number of what I would call 'nice US suburbs', and knowing people from them, a significant fraction of them act like they are living in some lawless Mad Max hellscape. How do you square this circle?
CyberDildonics 2mo ago
This makes me think you haven't spent time in any of these cities.
foco_tubi 2mo ago
Are you implying “nice” US suburbs don’t have drug disorders?