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Seems like Starship has a ways to go before carrying human passengers?

andsoitis 2mo ago
> a ways to go before carrying human passengers? SpaceX has safely flown 78 crewmembers from 20 countries across 20 human spaceflight missions using its Crew Dragon spacecraft since May 2020.
- cwillu 2mo ago
  SpaceX, not Starship. While I don't agree with the “starship will never orbit” haters, the viewpoint itself is coherent.
  - Zigurd 2mo ago
    I hate the mind-bogglingly incompetent approach to project management Elon takes. It's like a chess player who can't see even two moves ahead. TBF a starship will orbit the planet at least once, just with a fraction of the spec payload and therefore no chance of being refueled to get out of orbit to the Moon. Starship's project dependencies each have a clusterfuck of dependencies, and they each... It all has to go right or it fails. On top of all that his business strategies is brittle in the same way Tesla is crippled by not having a cheaper car instead of fantasy project like humanoid robots and cyber cab.
- skybrian 2mo ago
  Yes I know, but how do they plan to get to the moon?
  - MarkusQ 2mo ago
    On a rocket? They make and launch them. More, in fact than the rest of the world combined. At this point, anyone claiming "SpaceX can't do <generic space related thing>" is either 1) claiming that no one can or 2) blinded by some sort of ideological bias.
  - andsoitis 2mo ago
    > how do they plan to get to the moon? With Starship. Is that a trick question?
  - tim333 2mo ago
    They had a landing there the other day >SpaceX Achieves Its First Moon Landing by Accidentally Crashing Into It at 5,400 Miles Per Hour, Causing Huge Explosion and 60-Foot Crater https://futurism.com/space/spacex-crashes-into-moon https://futurism.com/space/spacex-crashes-into-moon They also have a $2.9bn contract with NASA to land astronauts.
- londons_explore 2mo ago
  Crew dragon was designed by smart minds. Those smart minds have mostly left spacex now, since musk changed political sides and became much less 'cool' for the brightest to work at. That's why the company is struggling now - few smart minds means little progress.
  - andsoitis 2mo ago
    > Those smart minds have mostly left spacex now since musk changed political sides Care to name a few?
    - londons_explore 2mo ago
      Tom Mueller, Chris Thompson, Hans Koenigsmann, Tim Buzza etc have all left. Makes sense - they had been there ~20 years and must have a huge pile of stock. But due to musks political aura (mostly right leaning), the smart minds from universities(which are mostly left leaning) are no longer joining spacex en-mass. In turn, that means the companies are merely ticking along, not racing ahead.
      - andsoitis 2mo ago
        > the smart minds from universities are no longer joining spacex What data do you have to convince someone who is skeptical and suspicious of your claim?
Zigurd 2mo ago
No point in carrying humans until you can launch the 15 refueling missions to get it out of low Earth orbit. Elon hasn't got a single clue what a critical path is in a project plan.

> a ways to go before carrying human passengers? SpaceX has safely flown 78 crewmembers from 20 countries across 20 human spaceflight missions using its Crew Dragon spacecraft since May 2020.

cwillu 2mo ago
SpaceX, not Starship. While I don't agree with the “starship will never orbit” haters, the viewpoint itself is coherent.
- Zigurd 2mo ago
  I hate the mind-bogglingly incompetent approach to project management Elon takes. It's like a chess player who can't see even two moves ahead. TBF a starship will orbit the planet at least once, just with a fraction of the spec payload and therefore no chance of being refueled to get out of orbit to the Moon. Starship's project dependencies each have a clusterfuck of dependencies, and they each... It all has to go right or it fails. On top of all that his business strategies is brittle in the same way Tesla is crippled by not having a cheaper car instead of fantasy project like humanoid robots and cyber cab.
skybrian 2mo ago
Yes I know, but how do they plan to get to the moon?
- MarkusQ 2mo ago
  On a rocket? They make and launch them. More, in fact than the rest of the world combined. At this point, anyone claiming "SpaceX can't do <generic space related thing>" is either 1) claiming that no one can or 2) blinded by some sort of ideological bias.
- andsoitis 2mo ago
  > how do they plan to get to the moon? With Starship. Is that a trick question?
- tim333 2mo ago
  They had a landing there the other day >SpaceX Achieves Its First Moon Landing by Accidentally Crashing Into It at 5,400 Miles Per Hour, Causing Huge Explosion and 60-Foot Crater https://futurism.com/space/spacex-crashes-into-moon https://futurism.com/space/spacex-crashes-into-moon They also have a $2.9bn contract with NASA to land astronauts.
londons_explore 2mo ago
Crew dragon was designed by smart minds. Those smart minds have mostly left spacex now, since musk changed political sides and became much less 'cool' for the brightest to work at. That's why the company is struggling now - few smart minds means little progress.
- andsoitis 2mo ago
  > Those smart minds have mostly left spacex now since musk changed political sides Care to name a few?
  - londons_explore 2mo ago
    Tom Mueller, Chris Thompson, Hans Koenigsmann, Tim Buzza etc have all left. Makes sense - they had been there ~20 years and must have a huge pile of stock. But due to musks political aura (mostly right leaning), the smart minds from universities(which are mostly left leaning) are no longer joining spacex en-mass. In turn, that means the companies are merely ticking along, not racing ahead.
    - andsoitis 2mo ago
      > the smart minds from universities are no longer joining spacex What data do you have to convince someone who is skeptical and suspicious of your claim?

Zigurd 2mo ago

No point in carrying humans until you can launch the 15 refueling missions to get it out of low Earth orbit. Elon hasn't got a single clue what a critical path is in a project plan.