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Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 https://github.com/zed-industries/ze

Zed should focus on basics. When it focuses on basics Zed is good. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/54150 failing to show newly created files and declining to provide a refresh button, instead adding a polling backend, breaks Zed on WSL. Why a new version control system? Why not git, jj, or another existing system?

manmal 2mo ago
Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. For when I want to be near the code, I prefer it now over TUIs or the Codex app. It feels much more immediate that way. Sticking to the basics will kill them IMO. They have been pitching themselves as agent-native for a while btw. And the workflow they are describing in the post sounds amazing, I‘ve been wishing for that. It‘s orthogonal to CVS, no? You can still make PRs. But, crucially, you can loop people in early on, when it matters the most.
- latchkey 2mo ago
  > Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. you must not use it much. try pasting in an image, quitting zed and restarting (ie: upgrading the app). it shows you the base64 encoded data instead of just showing the image. heck, it doesn't even show you the image when you paste it in. it just shows the filename.
  - manmal 2mo ago
    I use it constantly but haven’t felt the need to paste an image yet. I guess I‘m using pi and the Codex app more for that.
    - latchkey 2mo ago
      sorry, i didn't mean a quantity of time, i meant depth of usage.
  - DangitBobby 2mo ago
    ACP integration is very good, IMO. I'm using it with Claude Code. They've made so many improvements over time. I use image pasting myself, TBH I was excited it worked at all. Surprised that some rough edges around images are enough to ruin the whole thing for you.
    - latchkey 2mo ago
      images were just one glaring example... i didn't say anything about ruined, i just think a lot of those 'rough edges' are a bit more rough than they could be. it is a code editor after all. how about integrating the LSP so that it doesn't have to resort to rg/grep/sed/scripts to edit code?
      - manmal 2mo ago
        What I really like is that all code links it outputs, open a pane at that line.
        latchkey 2mo ago
        low bar. we've had anchor hrefs for decades now.
        manmal 2mo ago
        At this point I'm happy when things don't break randomly. However, it seems I lost an ACP session today and I'm not sure it's my own fault. Could be Zed playing tricks.
        latchkey 2mo ago
        don't get me wrong. it has improved. i use it all day, every day. my favorite ux goof right now is the fastmode switch button right next to the stop button and how much space it all takes up.
- infogulch 2mo ago
  Unfortunately their Zed agent is completely broken when running on Windows connected to WSL/SSH remote because the terminal tool checks for paths using the local Path style (windows) which breaks when applied to paths on the remote (linux). I fixed this and a couple related issues in a PR but it hasn't gotten any attention yet. I guess they are a bit swamped. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/59937 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/59937
  - deleted 2mo ago
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  - infogulch 2mo ago
    Merged, thank you Richard! :)
- Bnjoroge 2mo ago
  Is it? Last time I checked, I had to maintain a custom fork because they didnt support device auth for remote env so you couldn’t really use your chatGPT sub.
  - manmal 2mo ago
    I‘m using codex no issues, over ACP.
alfalfasprout 2mo ago
Did you even read the post? The idea is to tie conversations to code. This is a more sophisticated version of something like doltdb, not a git replacement.
- sbankowi 2mo ago
  So like Fossil then. I like Fossil be because it can be all in one. WIki, a place to store architectural diagrams, tickets, basic webgui, etc.
ibejoeb 2mo ago
I agree with you that I wish they'd just nail the editor. I've been using it for years now and I really like it, but there are a few rough parts (settings and LSPs especially) that could probably be tuned up in no time if the focus was there. Having said that, I love the idea of correlating the agent sessions to the changes. I'm glad someone is working on it.
- hahahaa 2mo ago
  You don't need a tool for that just configure your agent to write commit messages that link to a LLM log. And changes between commits. Maybe don't care why do we even care?
  - ibejoeb 2mo ago
    Of course you are right. I could write my own software to do what I want. Or, I could just do it all myself manually. This argument is valid in pretty much all cases, so I concede the point.
    - hahahaa 2mo ago
      Thanks. There maybe middle ground too like a Claude plugin. I think Zed doesn't need to build this though.
- cannonpalms 2mo ago
  Claude, for example, already does write a git commit trailer with a session ID.
dlisboa 2mo ago
There should be a concept called "engineering privilege". I see some companies do things that are widely out of their core product and engineers there just having fun with a bunch of different stuff with seemingly no commitment to bring in revenue. They'll re-invent/re-write things constantly, write a new compiler/package manager for their chosen language, create new frameworks, new open source projects unrelated to their companies, etc. It must be awesome to be able to work in these conditions and still get paid. I'm not hating on it, it's how we get a lot of the good stuff we use.
- tomnipotent 2mo ago
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- benjiro29 2mo ago
  Because every company may have different needs that are not fulfilled by standards software. We have seen the large number of companies whose goal is to make custom software for other companies So is not always that reinventing is fun, but it may actually be needed. The same logic also applies for software that is used internally. It's not always that developers want to rebuild stuff, but that they need to rebuild or alter software to fit their / company needs. We have not even talked about cost or licensing or other issues.
  - jeremyjh 2mo ago
    Yes except a lot of it isn't even fit for their purpose and they don't rely on it. Facebook switched from Cassandra to HBase because "eventual consistency is a difficult pattern". No shit, really?
  - plaxiotech 2mo ago
    ok
- echelon 2mo ago
  > Every change is linked to the agent conversation that produced it. From any line of code, find the conversation. From any message, jump to the code it touched. This is how Zed leapfrogs the field and becomes a centicorn. If you can train a model to operate at a higher level and with looser requirements, you've gotten rid of engineers in the loop and built a system for the automated synthesis of high quality software. You're training systems to produce higher quality chain of thought across the entire software development lifecycle. This is training data for the next stage.
the__alchemist 2mo ago
I've been hitting that or something recent recently; it's what I would consider a severe bug because it can result in lost work and related. Basically, if you `git pull`, edit a file elsewhere, or use an LLM, zed's tree will remain stale unless you re-close and open the file. (Restarting the application doesn't sort it). So you end up overwriting the file with whatever was in the buffer.
waqasx 2mo ago
This specific issue drove me mad for a couple of hours, I thought my LLM wasn't creating files and lying about it
internet2000 2mo ago
I don't want Zed to focus on accommodating WSL's quirks.
- pzmarzly 2mo ago
  I would like Zed to have feature parity with VSCode from 6 years ago. Working well over SSH or WSL, which it currently doesn't, is a part of that, even if I don't use that everyday. I am a paying user, and have no plans to stop supporting them financially, but I wish they locked in and went through GH Issues queue, starting from the oldest.
  - WD-42 2mo ago
    Of course vs code accommodates wsl. Same company. Personally I couldn’t care less how badly MS wants to make windows a viable development environment. It’s more irrelevant every day. I’m glad zed doesn’t waste too much time on it.
    - pjmlp 2mo ago
      Windows is more than viable as development platform, ask Valve why they need Proton in first place.
      - Aeolos 2mo ago
        Breaking an illegal monopoly takes decades but, as it happened with Internet Explorer 6, it's finally happening for Windows.
        pjmlp 2mo ago
        70% market share, plus all the games that Proton depends on.
        Aeolos 2mo ago
        And trending down. IE6 was 97%, how did that work out?
solarkraft 2mo ago
Oh, that sounds related to what I experienced. I recently had another look at Zed and tried to use it to full-text search through my workspace consisting of symlinked folders. Relevant things would just now show up, cmd+P also wouldn’t find the files. That’s where the evaluation stopped.
thangalin 2mo ago
From 1996: https://www.eng.auburn.edu/~kchang/comp6710/readings/They%20Write%20the%20Right%20Stuff.pdf https://www.eng.auburn.edu/~kchang/comp6710/readings/They%20... "There is the software. And then there are the databases beneath the software, two enormous databases, encyclopedic in their comprehensiveness. One is the history of the code itself -- with every line annotated, showing every time it was changed, why it was changed, when it was changed, what the purpose of the change was, what specifications documents detail the change. Everything that happens to the program is recorded in its master history. The genealogy of every line of code -- the reason it is the way it is -- is instantly available to everyone."
- danhite 2mo ago
  also from ^ article on Lockheed Martin Corp space shuttle software group ... Importantly, the group avoids blaming people for errors. The process assumes blame - and it's the process that is analyzed to discover why and how an error got through. At the same time, accountability is a team concept: no one person is ever solely responsible for writing or inspecting code. "You don't get punished for making errors," says Marjorie Seiter, a senior member of the technical staff. "If I make a mistake, and others reviewed my work, then I'm not alone. I'm not being blamed for this."
gigatexal 2mo ago
One could argue using WSL is an anti-pattern: use a real OS. I kid, I kid. Yeah I’m an avid user of the editor. I don’t care for their AI stuff I bring my own but I just want to see the editor become awesome. A more detailed object plugin ecosystem would be nice.
rozap 2mo ago
It's funny, zed started out really refreshing, and now it's degraded to the point where it's fairly unusable. Regularly it would tie up tons of resources on my fairly beefy laptop. I switched back to sublime and it is a breath of fresh air, I didn't realize how slow zed had gotten. It seems like maybe they lost their way a bit, but I recognize that also they need to make money presumably, and it's hard to do that with a large team and a focused product.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  And yet it is written in Rust, a good evidence that compiled languages only help so much when the architecture isn't the right one, or bad algorithms are being chosen.
  - brabel 2mo ago
    For a large application the language it is written in has almost no bearing on the perceived speed by users. VSCode is one example.
    - pjmlp 2mo ago
      VSCode has plenty of C++ and Rust extensions to work around Electron limitations, which are then used as WebAssembly plugins on the browser version, though. It shows the engineering effort that the team puts into it, which is why it is one of the few Electron based apps that is bearable to use.
- norman784 2mo ago
  Did you check if the resources were consumed by the LSP or Zed? Also there was a Zed fork without the AI stuff, not sure if is a hard fork or not and if is still maintained (IIRC wasnt hosted on Github)
  - Nnnes 2mo ago
    Gram Editor. It's actively maintained. I know people disagree over definitions of "hard fork". Gram does not send patches to Zed but does occasionally merge fixes from Zed. There is not any specific effort to keep (non-AI) feature parity. https://gram-editor.com https://gram-editor.com https://codeberg.org/GramEditor/gram https://codeberg.org/GramEditor/gram
random3 2mo ago
I think conceptually, the deltas are exactly the type of “basics” Zed is built on.
tbugrara 2mo ago
FYI: I've had success with changing the file_scan_inclusions setting which forces the file watcher to rescan all projects. Doesn't work consistently unfortunately, but easier than restarting.
rufasterisco 2mo ago
Because the way we code has completely changed, and there is plenty of room for innovation. I am convinced that the conversation is the primary artifact produce while coding, which is not a common/popular opinion. Still, i love to see someone pushing forward on this.
waterTanuki 2mo ago
Adding onto this I and many others have asked for a ui extension API to actually make use of AI tools and they've adamantly refused. Until someone else with the time and resources to fork and maintain it comes along, it's just in maintenance mode. These "AI" features are not useful at all. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/53403#discussioncomment-17009389 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/53403#disc...
bubblebeard 2mo ago
They aren't proposing to replace git though. They are just attempting to make it simpler for developers to follow changes applied by an LLM in an ergonomic fashion. Not saying it will work well but I'm happy to see someone trying a new approach here.
- bjackman 2mo ago
  I don't want someone "to make it simpler for developers to follow changes applied by an LLM in an ergonomic fashion". I want a text editor. I want "VScode without the bullshit". That's what I thought they were building.
  - brabel 2mo ago
    No, a company will always build whatever they think will make them more money. If you want an editor without the bullshit try Sublime as it has a history of staying that way, or the good old Vim and emacs.
  - dividedcomet 2mo ago
    I’m building an in-terminal IDE over at https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast that does this. No AI, no telemetry, just a text editor that has it all baked in and is easy on the eyes.
    - madeofpalk 2mo ago
      Defining “it all” is exactly the problem here.
  - phoghed 2mo ago
    Then go get a text editor? They’ve been around for decades. Use sublime text for all eternity. Why even complain here when what you want is a solved problem?
    - bjackman 2mo ago
blain 2mo ago
Although I agree and I hit same roadblock I found that wsl is working well when you open the project with special "projects: open folder in WSL" command, see my comment here: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/26857#discussioncomment-17661638 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/26857#disc... Nevertheless it could have been working better.
TiredOfLife 2mo ago
Thank you for finally explaining why open source developers hate AI so much. If their bug reports are all like this AI sloprambl.
shafyy 2mo ago
But Zed has taken a shit ton of VC money, so Zed needs to grow exponentially. So, Zed needs to make stuff that they shove down their customer's throats and can make more money with. Therefore, Zed can't justify just focussing on the basics. This makes me zad.
zeratax 2mo ago
is this supposed to compete with a traditional vcs like git? it reads to me like it's a separate different thing
ozgrakkurt 2mo ago
Some random thoughts that I think are prevalent in a startup context: - basics are easy - everyone can do basics - need to do the things that will bring in the next 1000 users. - everyone already does the basics
JerelVelarde 2mo ago
everyone wants to be everything in 2026
Cort3z 2mo ago
I’m not saying zed necessarily should be the one to do this, but in regards to "why not git, jj.."; if we don’t explore the fringes, how do we know if we are at local or global optimum with current solutions?
jamesgeck0 2mo ago
If I understand correctly, something like DeltaDB has always been part of the plan. Zed is a moonshot to reimagine collaborative development from the ground up. The editor, developer communication, the way changes are tracked, everything.
manlymuppet 2mo ago
Because git kind of sucks, in my humble opinion. We deal with it, but even with options like jj, it always feels like you're settling. Git works, and we are familiar with it, but is it much more than that? Our baseline expectation should be higher.

manmal 2mo ago

Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. For when I want to be near the code, I prefer it now over TUIs or the Codex app. It feels much more immediate that way. Sticking to the basics will kill them IMO. They have been pitching themselves as agent-native for a while btw. And the workflow they are describing in the post sounds amazing, I‘ve been wishing for that. It‘s orthogonal to CVS, no? You can still make PRs. But, crucially, you can loop people in early on, when it matters the most.

latchkey 2mo ago
> Their ACP integration is good (finally), at least with Codex. you must not use it much. try pasting in an image, quitting zed and restarting (ie: upgrading the app). it shows you the base64 encoded data instead of just showing the image. heck, it doesn't even show you the image when you paste it in. it just shows the filename.
- manmal 2mo ago
  I use it constantly but haven’t felt the need to paste an image yet. I guess I‘m using pi and the Codex app more for that.
  - latchkey 2mo ago
    sorry, i didn't mean a quantity of time, i meant depth of usage.
- DangitBobby 2mo ago
  ACP integration is very good, IMO. I'm using it with Claude Code. They've made so many improvements over time. I use image pasting myself, TBH I was excited it worked at all. Surprised that some rough edges around images are enough to ruin the whole thing for you.
  - latchkey 2mo ago
    images were just one glaring example... i didn't say anything about ruined, i just think a lot of those 'rough edges' are a bit more rough than they could be. it is a code editor after all. how about integrating the LSP so that it doesn't have to resort to rg/grep/sed/scripts to edit code?
    - manmal 2mo ago
      What I really like is that all code links it outputs, open a pane at that line.
      - latchkey 2mo ago
        low bar. we've had anchor hrefs for decades now.
        manmal 2mo ago
        At this point I'm happy when things don't break randomly. However, it seems I lost an ACP session today and I'm not sure it's my own fault. Could be Zed playing tricks.
        latchkey 2mo ago
        don't get me wrong. it has improved. i use it all day, every day. my favorite ux goof right now is the fastmode switch button right next to the stop button and how much space it all takes up.
infogulch 2mo ago
Unfortunately their Zed agent is completely broken when running on Windows connected to WSL/SSH remote because the terminal tool checks for paths using the local Path style (windows) which breaks when applied to paths on the remote (linux). I fixed this and a couple related issues in a PR but it hasn't gotten any attention yet. I guess they are a bit swamped. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/59937 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/pull/59937
- deleted 2mo ago
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- infogulch 2mo ago
  Merged, thank you Richard! :)
Bnjoroge 2mo ago
Is it? Last time I checked, I had to maintain a custom fork because they didnt support device auth for remote env so you couldn’t really use your chatGPT sub.
- manmal 2mo ago
  I‘m using codex no issues, over ACP.

alfalfasprout 2mo ago

Did you even read the post? The idea is to tie conversations to code. This is a more sophisticated version of something like doltdb, not a git replacement.

sbankowi 2mo ago
So like Fossil then. I like Fossil be because it can be all in one. WIki, a place to store architectural diagrams, tickets, basic webgui, etc.

ibejoeb 2mo ago

I agree with you that I wish they'd just nail the editor. I've been using it for years now and I really like it, but there are a few rough parts (settings and LSPs especially) that could probably be tuned up in no time if the focus was there. Having said that, I love the idea of correlating the agent sessions to the changes. I'm glad someone is working on it.

hahahaa 2mo ago
You don't need a tool for that just configure your agent to write commit messages that link to a LLM log. And changes between commits. Maybe don't care why do we even care?
- ibejoeb 2mo ago
  Of course you are right. I could write my own software to do what I want. Or, I could just do it all myself manually. This argument is valid in pretty much all cases, so I concede the point.
  - hahahaa 2mo ago
    Thanks. There maybe middle ground too like a Claude plugin. I think Zed doesn't need to build this though.
cannonpalms 2mo ago
Claude, for example, already does write a git commit trailer with a session ID.

dlisboa 2mo ago

There should be a concept called "engineering privilege". I see some companies do things that are widely out of their core product and engineers there just having fun with a bunch of different stuff with seemingly no commitment to bring in revenue. They'll re-invent/re-write things constantly, write a new compiler/package manager for their chosen language, create new frameworks, new open source projects unrelated to their companies, etc. It must be awesome to be able to work in these conditions and still get paid. I'm not hating on it, it's how we get a lot of the good stuff we use.

tomnipotent 2mo ago
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benjiro29 2mo ago
Because every company may have different needs that are not fulfilled by standards software. We have seen the large number of companies whose goal is to make custom software for other companies So is not always that reinventing is fun, but it may actually be needed. The same logic also applies for software that is used internally. It's not always that developers want to rebuild stuff, but that they need to rebuild or alter software to fit their / company needs. We have not even talked about cost or licensing or other issues.
- jeremyjh 2mo ago
  Yes except a lot of it isn't even fit for their purpose and they don't rely on it. Facebook switched from Cassandra to HBase because "eventual consistency is a difficult pattern". No shit, really?
- plaxiotech 2mo ago
  ok
echelon 2mo ago
> Every change is linked to the agent conversation that produced it. From any line of code, find the conversation. From any message, jump to the code it touched. This is how Zed leapfrogs the field and becomes a centicorn. If you can train a model to operate at a higher level and with looser requirements, you've gotten rid of engineers in the loop and built a system for the automated synthesis of high quality software. You're training systems to produce higher quality chain of thought across the entire software development lifecycle. This is training data for the next stage.

the__alchemist 2mo ago

I've been hitting that or something recent recently; it's what I would consider a severe bug because it can result in lost work and related. Basically, if you `git pull`, edit a file elsewhere, or use an LLM, zed's tree will remain stale unless you re-close and open the file. (Restarting the application doesn't sort it). So you end up overwriting the file with whatever was in the buffer.

waqasx 2mo ago

This specific issue drove me mad for a couple of hours, I thought my LLM wasn't creating files and lying about it

internet2000 2mo ago

I don't want Zed to focus on accommodating WSL's quirks.

pzmarzly 2mo ago
I would like Zed to have feature parity with VSCode from 6 years ago. Working well over SSH or WSL, which it currently doesn't, is a part of that, even if I don't use that everyday. I am a paying user, and have no plans to stop supporting them financially, but I wish they locked in and went through GH Issues queue, starting from the oldest.
- WD-42 2mo ago
  Of course vs code accommodates wsl. Same company. Personally I couldn’t care less how badly MS wants to make windows a viable development environment. It’s more irrelevant every day. I’m glad zed doesn’t waste too much time on it.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    Windows is more than viable as development platform, ask Valve why they need Proton in first place.
    - Aeolos 2mo ago
      Breaking an illegal monopoly takes decades but, as it happened with Internet Explorer 6, it's finally happening for Windows.
      - pjmlp 2mo ago
        70% market share, plus all the games that Proton depends on.
        Aeolos 2mo ago
        And trending down. IE6 was 97%, how did that work out?

solarkraft 2mo ago

Oh, that sounds related to what I experienced. I recently had another look at Zed and tried to use it to full-text search through my workspace consisting of symlinked folders. Relevant things would just now show up, cmd+P also wouldn’t find the files. That’s where the evaluation stopped.

thangalin 2mo ago

From 1996: https://www.eng.auburn.edu/~kchang/comp6710/readings/They%20Write%20the%20Right%20Stuff.pdf https://www.eng.auburn.edu/~kchang/comp6710/readings/They%20... "There is the software. And then there are the databases beneath the software, two enormous databases, encyclopedic in their comprehensiveness. One is the history of the code itself -- with every line annotated, showing every time it was changed, why it was changed, when it was changed, what the purpose of the change was, what specifications documents detail the change. Everything that happens to the program is recorded in its master history. The genealogy of every line of code -- the reason it is the way it is -- is instantly available to everyone."

danhite 2mo ago
also from ^ article on Lockheed Martin Corp space shuttle software group ... Importantly, the group avoids blaming people for errors. The process assumes blame - and it's the process that is analyzed to discover why and how an error got through. At the same time, accountability is a team concept: no one person is ever solely responsible for writing or inspecting code. "You don't get punished for making errors," says Marjorie Seiter, a senior member of the technical staff. "If I make a mistake, and others reviewed my work, then I'm not alone. I'm not being blamed for this."

gigatexal 2mo ago

One could argue using WSL is an anti-pattern: use a real OS. I kid, I kid. Yeah I’m an avid user of the editor. I don’t care for their AI stuff I bring my own but I just want to see the editor become awesome. A more detailed object plugin ecosystem would be nice.

rozap 2mo ago

It's funny, zed started out really refreshing, and now it's degraded to the point where it's fairly unusable. Regularly it would tie up tons of resources on my fairly beefy laptop. I switched back to sublime and it is a breath of fresh air, I didn't realize how slow zed had gotten. It seems like maybe they lost their way a bit, but I recognize that also they need to make money presumably, and it's hard to do that with a large team and a focused product.

pjmlp 2mo ago
And yet it is written in Rust, a good evidence that compiled languages only help so much when the architecture isn't the right one, or bad algorithms are being chosen.
- brabel 2mo ago
  For a large application the language it is written in has almost no bearing on the perceived speed by users. VSCode is one example.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    VSCode has plenty of C++ and Rust extensions to work around Electron limitations, which are then used as WebAssembly plugins on the browser version, though. It shows the engineering effort that the team puts into it, which is why it is one of the few Electron based apps that is bearable to use.
norman784 2mo ago
Did you check if the resources were consumed by the LSP or Zed? Also there was a Zed fork without the AI stuff, not sure if is a hard fork or not and if is still maintained (IIRC wasnt hosted on Github)
- Nnnes 2mo ago
  Gram Editor. It's actively maintained. I know people disagree over definitions of "hard fork". Gram does not send patches to Zed but does occasionally merge fixes from Zed. There is not any specific effort to keep (non-AI) feature parity. https://gram-editor.com https://gram-editor.com https://codeberg.org/GramEditor/gram https://codeberg.org/GramEditor/gram

random3 2mo ago

I think conceptually, the deltas are exactly the type of “basics” Zed is built on.

tbugrara 2mo ago

FYI: I've had success with changing the file_scan_inclusions setting which forces the file watcher to rescan all projects. Doesn't work consistently unfortunately, but easier than restarting.

rufasterisco 2mo ago

Because the way we code has completely changed, and there is plenty of room for innovation. I am convinced that the conversation is the primary artifact produce while coding, which is not a common/popular opinion. Still, i love to see someone pushing forward on this.

waterTanuki 2mo ago

Adding onto this I and many others have asked for a ui extension API to actually make use of AI tools and they've adamantly refused. Until someone else with the time and resources to fork and maintain it comes along, it's just in maintenance mode. These "AI" features are not useful at all. https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/53403#discussioncomment-17009389 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/53403#disc...

bubblebeard 2mo ago

They aren't proposing to replace git though. They are just attempting to make it simpler for developers to follow changes applied by an LLM in an ergonomic fashion. Not saying it will work well but I'm happy to see someone trying a new approach here.

bjackman 2mo ago
I don't want someone "to make it simpler for developers to follow changes applied by an LLM in an ergonomic fashion". I want a text editor. I want "VScode without the bullshit". That's what I thought they were building.
- brabel 2mo ago
  No, a company will always build whatever they think will make them more money. If you want an editor without the bullshit try Sublime as it has a history of staying that way, or the good old Vim and emacs.
- dividedcomet 2mo ago
  I’m building an in-terminal IDE over at https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast https://github.com/paradise-runner/toast that does this. No AI, no telemetry, just a text editor that has it all baked in and is easy on the eyes.
  - madeofpalk 2mo ago
    Defining “it all” is exactly the problem here.
- phoghed 2mo ago
  Then go get a text editor? They’ve been around for decades. Use sublime text for all eternity. Why even complain here when what you want is a solved problem?
  - bjackman 2mo ago

blain 2mo ago

Although I agree and I hit same roadblock I found that wsl is working well when you open the project with special "projects: open folder in WSL" command, see my comment here: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/26857#discussioncomment-17661638 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/26857#disc... Nevertheless it could have been working better.

TiredOfLife 2mo ago

Thank you for finally explaining why open source developers hate AI so much. If their bug reports are all like this AI sloprambl.

shafyy 2mo ago

But Zed has taken a shit ton of VC money, so Zed needs to grow exponentially. So, Zed needs to make stuff that they shove down their customer's throats and can make more money with. Therefore, Zed can't justify just focussing on the basics. This makes me zad.

zeratax 2mo ago

is this supposed to compete with a traditional vcs like git? it reads to me like it's a separate different thing

ozgrakkurt 2mo ago

Some random thoughts that I think are prevalent in a startup context: - basics are easy - everyone can do basics - need to do the things that will bring in the next 1000 users. - everyone already does the basics

JerelVelarde 2mo ago

everyone wants to be everything in 2026

Cort3z 2mo ago

I’m not saying zed necessarily should be the one to do this, but in regards to "why not git, jj.."; if we don’t explore the fringes, how do we know if we are at local or global optimum with current solutions?

jamesgeck0 2mo ago

If I understand correctly, something like DeltaDB has always been part of the plan. Zed is a moonshot to reimagine collaborative development from the ground up. The editor, developer communication, the way changes are tracked, everything.

manlymuppet 2mo ago

Because git kind of sucks, in my humble opinion. We deal with it, but even with options like jj, it always feels like you're settling. Git works, and we are familiar with it, but is it much more than that? Our baseline expectation should be higher.