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Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2
- Cappybara12 2mo agoIs this becoming a race where we have a usual flow of a company .. AI models, Coding agents, image generation tools, and more AI models ?
- paulkrush 2mo agoMuse Spark 1.2 is a coding-focused update to Muse Spark 1.1, with improvements in code generation, complex debugging, codebase understanding, and end-to-end developer workflows. In Muse Spark 1.2, we significantly scaled up training compute on coding tasks while expanding training environment diversity. The model also maintains its strength in other key areas like general agents.
- ipsum2 2mo agoI wonder why they didn't compare with GPT-5.6-sol, only Terra?
- woadwarrior01 2mo agoHaven't you seen the kernel optimization case study at the bottom of the page? They compare against GPT-5.6 Sol and their model is worse.
- wmf 2mo agoClearly they're positioning it as a mid model.
- minimaxir 2mo agoWhich is in itself a bit weird as mid models nowadays are a golden mean fallacy. Terra is much less popular than both Luna (cost-sensitive) and Sol (performance-sensitive). Claude Sonnet is a weird exception to the mid models because Anthropic doesn't do much with Haiku and Opus is too big.
- ukblewis 2mo agoI don’t know where you get your statistics, but I love Terra and use it all of the time. It is the default fastest model in ChatGPT/Codex today. I saw today a notice saying that the model had hit capacity briefly
- deaux 2mo agoIt's a little of the opposite to what you're saying. By performance you seem to mean only "intelligence" i.e. pass rate. But there's a 3rd factor, time to task completion. So it's three-dimensional rather than two. And on that spectrum there are areas where Terra is optimal. Sonnet on the other hand never is, it's far from the best pick anywhere on the spectrum.
- redox99 2mo agoBut why include Opus then?
- logicchains 2mo agoPresumably because it's worse than Sol, same reason they compared it to Opus 5 not Fable.
- Handy-Man 2mo agoTheir bigger model is not ready - watermelon code name was still being prepared for release as of a month ago
- minimaxir 2mo agoMuse Spark 1.1 was released July 16th, less than a month ago. A new version release this soon (particularly after Kimi K3's release drastically overshadowed it) is a bit sus and it appears that Meta is trying a first launch do-over.
- gaogao 2mo agoFrequent minor version bumps are pretty common these days. Opus 4.7 -> 4.8 was 42 days.
- minimaxir 2mo agoWhich was in itself a do-over because Opus 4.7 received a lot of bad press on suspicion of being a regression from 4.6.
- dbbk 2mo agoI think all the Opus complaining stemmed really from 4.7 onwards switching to adaptive thinking, which meant a lot of the time it was thinking less or even not at all.
- ac29 2mo agoDoesnt seem suspect to me, training runs have checkpoints and there is no reason you cant release a checkpoint even if you are still training the model
- rvz 2mo agoFirst of all, you have login to use it. Why? After everything that you have seen with Meta, would you really trust them with a coding agent? You don't even know if your prompts are being analyzed by them on the side or if your code base is being uploaded to them. This goes for the rest of them that have closed harnesses and closed models gated by a login. Think twice before falling for this announcement and ask yourself what they are not telling you.
- Bolwin 2mo ago> Muse Spark 1.2 is available today in Muse Code and in Meta Model API with expanded global access Wasn't the previous one us only? This is probably the biggest part of the post Anyone know if muse code is open source?
- qphe95 2mo agoTheres no actual evidence they didn't just distill Kimi K3
- mchusma 2mo agoThis is a nice release and a solid improvement over Spark 1.1. It compares favorably with Grok 4.5. Not SOTA, but solid releases. I think they need to really get this more competitive with Deepseek V4 Flash / Luna pricing to move the needle.
- handzhiev 2mo agoIf you are happy to share data for training, the contributor mode offers amazing price $0.10 / $0.20
- mchusma 2mo agoYes, that is the really compelling thing here IMO. Its a viable deepseek competitor for many people, and I missed that on the first pass.
- Instantnoodl 2mo agoSadly you need to be in US. It's unavailable anywhere else.
- kcb 2mo agoOpen the weights.
- esafak 2mo agoIf anyone from Meta is reading, please can you publish the cost and latency for each of your benchmarks, like OpenAI does? Show us how the reasoning effort level affects them in 2D charts. This needs to become standard practice.
- liviux 2mo agoDoes this muse code have any muse spark 1.2 usage included? Can't understand from the docs.
- fcoury 2mo agoInteresting, it seems like their muse code is built upon Codex CLI?
- conradkay 2mo agohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/HO-59jQaoAA_JZ1?format=jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HO-59jQaoAA_JZ1?format=jpg Very interesting they have a way cheaper "contributor" version "used to improve our products", how much of that is price discrimination vs the data being that valuable? Roughly DeepSeek V4 Flash pricing, though you can get V4 from providers that don't train on your data
- daemonologist 2mo agoPricing: https://dev.meta.ai/docs/pricing-rate-limits https://dev.meta.ai/docs/pricing-rate-limits Interesting that they have separate API pricing for "we can train on your data" (whereas iirc most of the big players either make that distinction only between subscriptions and API usage, or train on everything). Wonder how it compares to Deepseek V4 Flash given that they're similar on pricing and data policy.
- giancarlostoro 2mo agoWill someone at Meta for the love of God make it so none of this stuff goes through Facebook.com? You want customers but most corporate firewalls block social media. Also, a lot of devs do not want their work stuff tied up to their facebook account. For the love of all things show the IG / FB logins as optional and do email as primary. I am not a fan of Meta but I do cheer for any competitors against OpenAI and Anthropic, the duopoly is getting tiresome.
- aanet 2mo ago+10000 to that
- hahahaa 2mo agoChina says hi.
- giancarlostoro 2mo agoNot in my case, I don't see any of my employers (past or current) trusting a country like China with their data.
- HDBaseT 2mo agoThe decades of US brainwashing children into thinking China is the big bad guy has worked unfortunately.
- deaux 2mo agoHello Chinese models run by US providers. If they trust Chinese models run by US providers less than Meta then your employers are flat-earther level loonies.
- hahahaa 2mo agoOpen weights says hi. Yeah there may be biases but there are imperial biases in western models too.
- greyb 2mo ago
- king_crimson 2mo agoWhy does every AI lab feel the need to build their own coding agent…? Don’t we have more than enough already?
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- conception 2mo agoTelemetry, marketing
- HDBaseT 2mo agoOutputs are a little bit more deterministic if you control the harness. It is easy to benchmark across one harness, one system prompt and extract the most performance when you control the harness.
- sroussey 2mo agoOwn the customer relationship.
- WASDx 2mo agoAnd they are all TUI's installed via curl | bash.
- blitzar 2mo agoIt is the only part with value
- bradfa 2mo agoIf you got the $20 in free credits from Meta for signing up when muse-spark-1.1 was release, please note that there's now small print stating "While using free credits your content may be used for product improvement" which was not present at muse-spark-1.1 launch when the credits were given out. If you don't mind Meta retaining your data, the "Contributor" pricing is deepseek-v4-flash-level of low, roughly 1/10th normal muse-spark API pricing currently. Attractive if you're OK with them retaining and using your data.
- giancarlostoro 2mo agoThe API costs for the version of their model that feeds things back to meta is also drastically lower.
- wxw 2mo agoLast I heard, everyone at Meta was using Claude Code. Any insiders know how Muse Code is doing internally?
- GodelNumbering 2mo agoIf there were, do you believe it would be in their interest to answer this publicly?
- georgemcbay 2mo ago> > Any insiders know how Muse Code is doing internally? > If there were, do you believe it would be in their interest to answer this publicly? If it were being adopted like gangbusters in their organization, sure! So... the fact that nobody is volunteering the information is probably a valid signal of how things are actually going...
- GodelNumbering 2mo agoYou should play Blood on the clocktower
- youre-wrong3 2mo agoSo were Microsoft employees until they got forced to use copilot. Everyone seems to think MS got rid of Claude Code due to cost but it had nothing to do with cost. Employees weren’t even using copilot. Can’t make a product better if you don’t use it. Meta should be the same. Use your own product.
- phoghed 2mo agoIdk why they wouldn’t use it. It’s fine, and it’s good that you get all the models rather than locking yourself into Claude models when GPT-5.6 exists. Claude Code did have a big advantage early on before GH Copilot got agent mode though.
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- IceWreck 2mo agoIve been poking with the muse code binary - seems to be written in rust, looks similar to codex but either its a very hard fork (i also see dissimilar things like config format is different, no acp, etc) or is just heavily inspired by it (more likely).
- Readerium 2mo agoLol worse than DeepSeek
- WhitneyLand 2mo agoThey chose to compare against Open AI’s mid tier model Terra instead of Sol and still lost some benchmark against it. They left Opus in and got beat in all but one benchmark. Nothing wrong with trying to improve, but why the marketing games? Instead of trying to say in the post you’re “closer” to frontier, first set a clear goal to beat the Chinese labs on price or performance and demonstrate it convincingly. Then when your ready, come back and talk frontier without playing hide the model.
- krm01 2mo agoWe can throw benchmarks in the bin by now. Each one I've seen is heavily biased and skewed. It holds very little reliable data points (unfortunately)
- lacker 2mo agoMy conclusion is the opposite. If benchmarks were meaningless, surely Meta would be able to find some benchmark that shows they are better than Sol and Fable. The fact that they can't do that tells me that benchmarks still do mean something.
- nrub 2mo agoOr they spent time optimizing their model to real world problems they're facing and didn't waste time trying to game a benchmark.
- brokencode 2mo agoOr they did try to game the benchmarks and just didn’t do it well enough. Benchmarks are one data point, not the only one, but the easiest one to compare.
- nrub 2mo agoRight, but the point is that you can't conclude that a model is necessarily bad because it's not hitting the same scores on benchmarks. I just don't agree with lacker's conclusion, because their logic doesn't seem to consider that. Scoring lower on a benchmark doesn't strictly mean they have a bad model, but it may be the case. Like you said it's one data point, but being the easiest, and obviously most gamed, means you should probably weigh them less heavily.
- AtlanticThird 2mo agoI wish they would add a ZDR endpoint on OpenRouter
- arjie 2mo agoSomewhat surprised that Meta with all their resources couldn’t make a model that matches Composer on any frontier. All the Sparks are dominated by some other model everywhere along the frontier. Nothing fancy here since Llama defined the open model. The use traces must be crucial to functionality which is why they’re keeping prices so low.
- wmf 2mo agoThey rebooted less than one year ago so this is decent progress. Obviously users don't care about progress though.
- arjie 2mo agoYeah, progress is useful as an internal metric, but I'm going to measure against the present frontier unfortunately. Eager to see what they come up with in the future.
- sarjann 2mo agoI do think some of features in their harness seem interesting (workers in separate worktrees at once), recovery from crashes seem interesting.
- tristanj 2mo agoMeta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data. https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/ https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/
- GodelNumbering 2mo agoI think that's a fair offering tbh
- deno 2mo agoI think it's limited to US or at least EU is excluded.
- Instantnoodl 2mo agoJust noticed it too... Seems like I wasted my time setting up a account to test with the discounted pricing
- ray_kay777 2mo agoYep, doesn't work in Australia either.
- ray_kay777 2mo agoThis makes it a very interesting alternative to Deepseek for personal work where I don't care about the training - judging by the AA benchmarks it seems like overall cost per task is similar to the new Deepseek Flash but with better benchmarks (and inbuilt vision capabilities).
- embedding-shape 2mo agoExcept with one you know they'll release the weights and architecture back to the community, with the other, it leans towards they won't do that.
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- vcryan 2mo agoIt seems like one day, Google or Meta might produce a coding model worth discussing. That day is not today.
- Laurel1234 2mo agoThe only company less trustworthy than OpenAI and Anthropic is meta.
- simonw 2mo agoHere's the Muse Spark 1.2 pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=https%3A%2F%2Fgist.github.com%2Fsimonw%2Fce974a21202b0595e36ec2a5ddb51480 https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... I think it's a bit of an improvement on the Spark 1.1 pelican: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul/9/muse-spark-1-1/ https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul/9/muse-spark-1-1/
- meric_ 2mo agoLol is that a helmet? Clearly they're taking the Anthropic path and are safety pilling their models
- Marciplan 2mo agoI wonder if at this point the labs ha.. please Simon, stop this bs everytime. Its time.
- simonw 2mo agoThis one is actually a pretty good case for the continuing value of the benchmark, because it lets me visually compare Spark (8th April), Spark 1.1 (9th July), and Spark 1.2 (5th August): https://bsky.app/profile/simonwillison.net/post/3mseqv5z4qk2z https://bsky.app/profile/simonwillison.net/post/3mseqv5z4qk2...
- dilyevsky 2mo agothe soak tub in the kitchen was nice
- alex1138 2mo agoFun, this is currently on the front page at the same time this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49187977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49187977 is
- batuhandumani 2mo agoWhy should I leave Claude or GPT and switch to Meta's aMUSEment model?
- wiradikusuma 2mo agoHey guys I'm just wondering. Usually when someone announces a new model, they'll show you some fancy viz/video/images: "These are what my model can produce." I'm wondering if anyone is keeping track of these? Like in a gallery form, "Use this prompt to produce this output". By itself is useful ("I want something like this, I'll just reuse the prompt and tweak"), but it can also be used as a "draw me a pelican on a bicyle" alternative. Basically feeding those prompts over model releases.
- drivebyhooting 2mo agoThere’s no way I’m giving Zuck any of my data.
- andai 2mo agoHe already has it. One of my professors told us about the time he did a request to Facebook to send him all his data. By law they had to send it on paper. They brought it in a big truck. All the stuff he'd deleted was still there, just with "(deleted)" next to it. They have a lot on people without Facebook accounts though, because their tracking stuff is all over the web. I always found it weird that Instagram gives me much better ads than Google does... Google should know much better!
- sroussey 2mo agoInstagram knows what content you pause on, which is a huge signal.
- Alifatisk 2mo agoSo does Youtube
- hk__2 2mo ago> By law they had to send it on paper. They brought it in a big truck. I doubt it; when/where was it? In the EU there’s no such obligation.
- andai 2mo agoMaybe it was a bylaw. This was before GDPR.
- simonw 2mo agoIt can cyberattack other companies, too: https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/05/tech/meta-ai-hacking https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/05/tech/meta-ai-hacking
- andai 2mo agoOkay, this is getting ridiculous. Were they feeling left out?
- looksjjhg 2mo agoIt’s hilarious that these companies are reacting this way this would have been a major lawsuit and an investigation a couple years ago … now they’re like oupsi our model did it again, he’s so crazy smart. Well tell him to behave next time pinky promise hhh
- laweijfmvo 2mo ago“don’t forget about us”
- andai 2mo agoThe most interesting thing here is the kernel optimization graph. It look like all models were still improving, when they cut off the experiment. It reminds me of a genetic algorithm. The graph is the same: long plateaus and then massive leaps. The only difference between the models seems to be how quickly they arrive.
- eugene3306 2mo agoDo they train on their own data? I mean, when Meta's engineer is creating some new DINOv4 or Segment Anything, with all the scaffolding around it, do they train on that?
- sams99 2mo agoUnfortunately I find this too high risk, I entered my credit card, but can not set a limit. The best I can do is get an email alert. I feel like I am one oopsie away from getting a 100 dollar bill.
- NitpickLawyer 2mo ago1.2 is now on openrouter. You could try it there, they have hard limits per key.
- sams99 2mo agoabsolutely and fair... you do lose out though on the mega discounted endpoint they have there.
- dizhn 2mo agoVirtual card with a limit?
- gcr 2mo agoSounds like a great way to get your account revoked.
- dizhn 2mo agoHow come?
- phoghed 2mo agoBecause it wouldn’t stop you from running up a bill and owing the money, would just stop Meta from being able to charge you.
- seanp2k2 2mo agoBecause it'll get declined after a few attempts once it's past the limit, then your account would likely get marked for fraud. Try it and report back, but repeated method of payment failures get accounts suspended pretty reliably at any place that does CC processing, since it's also a risk to their merchant account to have a higher percentage of declined payments (ie higher fraud risk) and it's far safer for them to cut you off / blacklist you vs giving you more chances and the sure bet that they'll invoke higher merchant account / payment processor fees. If they make it to the "high risk" category, they're cooked too; Mastercard for example has MATCH that once you're added, you're considered high-risk at ANY other place you try to get CC processing going again. You can read a bit more about that here: https://docs.stripe.com/disputes/match https://docs.stripe.com/disputes/match Payment processors can fully drop merchants that have too high of a risk / too many chargebacks / too high payment failure percentages.
- skimdesk 2mo agoSo that's why Muse (the mind map tool) recently changed its name to Allume [0]. [0]: https://allume.com/allume-faq/ https://allume.com/allume-faq/
- blitzar 2mo ago> An opportunity came up regarding the Muse name and trademarks. These have now been sold.
- kennywinker 2mo agoIf it’s not open weight, i don’t really care.
- alexeiz 2mo agoMuse code is rough around the edges. But combined with almost free model (muse spark contributor) it's actually pretty good. I think it's on the same level as grok build.
- senor_digimon 2mo agoIs there a standard benchmark test for all harnesses? How does Muse Code rank compared to Claude Code? Also, do we think the benchmarks to test the harnesses are any good?
- sidcool 2mo agoI am cynical about this, but I would be careful about giving Meta access even to my open source code by myself.
- blackoil 2mo agoYou think OpenAI, Anthropic... are good guys??
- dd8601fn 2mo agoWe’re all trying to keep track of who is least bad in various ways at any moment in time. There’s nothing wrong with that, given the landscape we’re all living in.
- Marciplan 2mo agoDoes this whataboutism work for you, generally?
- blackoil 2mo agoyeah, when comparing options it helps more than religious dogmas.
- ben_w 2mo agoOn a scale of A+ to F, Anthropic are a C+ and OpenAI a C. Such mediocrity makes them the best of the mostly-terrible bunch. https://futureoflife.org/ai-safety-index-summer-2026/#scorecard https://futureoflife.org/ai-safety-index-summer-2026/#scorec...
- boriskourt 2mo agoMeta has a worse track record and major baggage from their main product. Its a super different surface area for what their incentives are.
- flaviolivolsi 2mo agoNo, but there's hardly anything worse than Meta. At least OpenAI and Anthropic built good products
- zmmmmm 2mo agoMuse code is more interesting than the new model in that it seems to natively ship with an orchestrator / subagent pattern built in. Curious if it works well in practice compared to achieving the same thing in Claude code etc?
- abusayeed08 2mo agoThe model is insane.
- alex1138 2mo agoIn a bad or good way
- sexyketchup777 2mo agowho gonna use Muse Spark if Deepseek released v4 pro
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- drumhead 2mo agoThe bigger question is why a social media company is even offering this?
- hk__2 2mo agoBecause it’s not only a social media company.
- AyanamiKaine 2mo agoMuse Code and Muse Spark 1.2 cannot be that good, as it couldnt be used to vibe code a windows version of Muse Code itself. This is my new LLM benchmark when a provider cant use their own models to target a new platform, it cant be that good. If allegedly a LLM could write a compiler or port a runtime, then this should be trivial to port. But they are not doing it.
- ersiees 2mo agoMeta, please go back to publishing weights. Your models aren't top-tier, this wouldn't hurt you at all at your current position in the rankings. They wouldn't have the best open-weight models, but the best western open-weight models.
- embedding-shape 2mo ago> the best western open-weight models If they were sitting on that and could release those, they for sure would. AFAIK, they still haven't released Llama 4 Behemoth, so kind of feels like it's evident what has happened, they aren't able to compete anymore.
- qlte 2mo agoWould they? To me it feels like we’re past the dreamy early days of the AI boom (in the US) and now investors want to see the tech monopolies actually start building the new cash printing machines they’ve been promising with the hundreds of billions in capex burned over the last few years. Maybe a Gemma sized model that couldn’t self-cannibalize but releasing a top open Kimi K3 sized model seems like it could start to wear on Meta investors’ patience without signaling how it fits into a new profitable business line.
- lenerdenator 2mo ago> Meta investors’ patience Let's not get ahead of ourselves here: this is Meta. Mark Zuckerberg holds majority control of the company, and so far, he does what he wants with it. This is up to and including what was essentially a digital real estate scam, overhiring during the pandemic, automated CSAM distribution, the Cambridge Analytica scandal, and engagement tactics that might have fed into ethnic violence against Rohingya in Myanmar. If he simply wanted to release a frontier-class open-weight model and offer a paid hosting service for those who wanted to run it off-prem, that would be, far and away, the least patience-wearing thing he's done to the bag-holders who hold the rest of the shares in Meta.
- ilc 2mo agoHaving audited one code harness (Qwen Code) in the past on telemetry. Let's say I'm sus of the Zuck offering free candy.
- drob518 2mo agoImages of Zuck driving a white van near elementary schools…
- AlanAzarkin 2mo agoI read a news story somewhere that a Meta model, by a mysterious coincidence with OpenAI and Anthropic, escaped its sandbox and hacked a third-party company's infrastructure. Apparently, it is a trend among AI companies now - hacking infrastructure and then boasting about it in the media.
- qlte 2mo agoHoly shit I was 90% sure you were joking. I get called an AI “cynic” but apparently I’m not actually cynical enough to predict how these big AI labs operate. https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/meta-ai-model-hacked-outside-company-adding-to-concerns-over-rogue-bots-dd5f6e45?st=ucgYm8&reflink=article_copyURL_share https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/meta-ai-model-hacked-outside-com... Eagerly waiting to see what escalation the next round of corporate copycat hysteria will bring (ordering boxes of paperclips?)
- verdverm 2mo agore: coordinated regulatory capture with the oil giants, we call them a cartel, which I postulate is also accurate for the hyperscalers and big ai
- johnnyApplePRNG 2mo ago>Install Muse Code on macOS or Linux: >they "trust me". dumb fucks. No thanks. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-people-first-ever-mark-zuckerberg-harvard https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-...
- ssalka 2mo agoI took a look at the black hole interactive demo/widget and dragged the Mass slider up. It crashed the widget.
- hereme888 2mo agoTibo took care of the reply: https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2085229896968651198?s=20 https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2085229896968651198?s=20 And someone corrected the Zucked graph: https://x.com/FightForReason_/status/2085398470425219508/photo/1 https://x.com/FightForReason_/status/2085398470425219508/pho...
- meric_ 2mo agoI'm not sure why they even included Opus in the graph. This is effectively a flash/haiku model & should only be compared against Luna
- phplovesong 2mo agoIts so, so depressing that 8/10 posts on HN is about AI.
- resonanormal 2mo agoI wouldn’t touch anything the dumpster fire that is Facebook / meta cooks up
- goldenshale 2mo agoAnyone else try to use it, and you just get this message, and it exits? (I already did muse login successfully.) muse The cursor position could not be read within a normal duration
- nthypes 2mo agoIt's useless. Tried with OpenCode + OpenRouter and it couldn't complete an simple task. It stuck using grep/search tools. I think Muse Spark was so heavily RL'd on the Meta harness that it make it useless or very token inneficient to use in other harness like Opencode.
- johnmlussier 2mo agoI really liked the contributor model in their harness. I suspect that another harness would fail hard like you're seeing.
- 6thbit 2mo agois this their way to push their harness? people interested in the discounted -contributor model would increase their harness beta testers. But it'd be a terrible strategy to capture the better paying customer base through openrouter and similar...
- johnmlussier 2mo agoPointing out for others: without warning I was restricted from using the contributor model because of “policy violations”. I was working on Kaggle research and some Apple Security work at the time. They really need to make cyber a first priority product feature. `model failed: API error 403 [request_id=27ef1dee-6366-4779-9057-ed7c27686fa9]: Your access has been restricted due to repeated policy violations. (permission_error)`
- hodder 2mo agoThis is like the stupid Meta Portal. It doesnt matter how good it is, no one will use it bc no one trusts them. Right or wrong.
- deaux 2mo agoStunning to see so many comments here very eager to try it out and cheering for it. Meta is not one bit better (and in reality worse) than Larry Elisson or Palantir but I doubt we'd be seeing this if it'd be Oracle Code or Palantir Code. Though I guess that there's such a big population of (ex-)Meta employees here that this might explain it.
- AnodicElegy 2mo agoI think a lot of people are simply glad to see so much viable competition in the LLM space. Given the oligopolistic outcomes in Big Tech over the past couple decades, it would be nice if Big AI turned out differently, even if a lot of those competing have monopolies or near-monopolies in other spheres.
- verdverm 2mo agoI suspect this is part of why people are cheering for the Chinese. It's nice to see frontier competition coming from another country. And they are making the open weights a way of being, unlike the US oligarchs
- Havoc 2mo agoMore models is a win in my book
- lenerdenator 2mo agoHonestly not getting the bet from Meta here. A few weeks ago, they signed the letter about not regulating open models. Now they're dropping this. Are they going open and hosting the models for others, or are they still doing closed frontier models that fall into the same trap as Anthropic/OpenAI? Or is it just whatever Zuck has to do to be 1% not villain that week?
- midnightbobarun 2mo agoI think Meta might have made a mistake by not offering a free tier like Google did when they release Gemini CLI back in the day, or even how OpenAI lets you use Codex (or whatever it's called now) for free with a monthly usage limit for free plans. It'd be a great way to get people into the Muse ecosystem, and they could tighten usage limits to "encourage" people to get a paid plan.
- buglungtung 2mo agoI registered on their platform API, and immediately it asked for a selfie inage to verify Im a human. Thanks, but there is definately no chance I gave them my selfie to use their model.
- teravor 2mo agoyou generally should use intermediaries (they buy API from the main provider and serve it to you) when dealing with a company like Meta, a company you want no direct relationship with. they have the spark 1.2 "contributor" which lets them train on your data which is cheaper than deepseek flash atm. I always assume they keep my data no matter what they say so it's a deal.
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