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> Harassment is not allowed. You may not harass people for using an LLM, regardless of whether or not their use is banned by the policy. You must follow the Cod
by minimaxir 2mo ago
> Harassment is not allowed. You may not harass people for using an LLM, regardless of whether or not their use is banned by the policy. You must follow the Code of Conduct at all times when interacting with the Rust project.
This policy I like.
- feverzsj 2mo agoYou know rustaceans hate anything LLM when mods have to make this a rule.
- LoganDark 2mo agoIt's not "rustaceans" as one whole. It's a very vocal minority (both rustacean and not) that make it everyone else's problem that they don't agree with the AI industry as a whole. I've had people try to convince me that I'm destroying the planet by using LLMs just because the process of creating the LLM was harmful to the climate. But that's like saying software piracy harms sales. Maybe the argument has more merit for models hosted in the cloud, but I use local ones too. There's a shameboard that curates a list of projects that don't explicitly and unconditionally ban all use of generative AI. Their term for projects that have a policy other than a total ban is "permissive" and it is treated as a sign to avoid that project/community. It's such a mess. Cancel culture is never the answer. I believe it is the right move to ban this completely unproductive and toxic kind of behavior.
- duskdozer 2mo agoIf you can understand that some behavior is toxic and should be banned, then you should understand the people behind "cancel culture." Alternatively, if you see "cancelling" "cancel culture" as not "cancel culture", then you can understand the paradox of tolerance, and why an idealistic fully tolerant approach is not possible either way.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoBanning someone is not the same as canceling them though. Banishment is just enforcement of boundaries. It gets rid of a problematic person in a specific space where their behavior is not tolerated. It's about the community, not the banished. Once the troublemaker is gone, that's the end of it. Everyone goes back to their normal activities. Cancel culture consists of people going out of their way to get a person banned everywhere else and even fired by their employers. People launch entire campaigns against the problematic person and make a concerted effort to ruin their life. Not that different from the Kiwi Farms. Assertiveness and aggression.
- pseudalopex 2mo agoMany people who complained of cancel culture called banishment or weaker action from 1 community cancel culture. Many more when 2 communities disciplined the same person independently. Or 1 community disciplined someone for something they did or said in another public space.
- LoganDark 2mo agoCancel culture is specifically about disparaging groups or individuals, not merely condemning behavior. It has to do with targeted attacks, harassment and defamation. It's absolutely not the same thing as my comment, which merely points out the existence of some behavior and that I disagree with it. What I'm talking about is the practice of following people around for using AI, rooting around for evidence that a project doesn't fully ban AI, etc. and publicly shaming them, harassing them, attacking them. People who do this don't accept neutrality or even mere skepticism, they demand full unconditional bans or else they make themselves a huge nuisance and try to harm you. That's cancel culture, plain and simple.
- imtringued 2mo agoIf you look at the Codeberg community, you'll find that this rule makes sense. The anti AI community is pretty toxic, probably more toxic than people throwing AI slop at reviewers.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoLobsters too.
- zahlman 2mo agoIn my experience, anti-AI coders are nowhere near as obnoxious (or even outright harmful) about it as their artist/graphic-designer counterparts.