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I think the window for a ban of open weight models is closing fast so let's hope US administration is going to miss it and we get Fable-level models (at least i
by storus 2mo ago
I think the window for a ban of open weight models is closing fast so let's hope US administration is going to miss it and we get Fable-level models (at least in some aspects) with open weights without infringing any newly introduced law as a long-term local baseline.
- Daishiman 2mo agoWhat can the US administration do about it?
- root_axis 2mo agoSend you to jail.
- Hackbraten 2mo agoNo.
- ChrisGreenHeur 2mo agoHow can the US administration send me, a citizen of Sweden, to jail?
- victorbjorklund 2mo agoI mean they did manage to make Swedish authorities go after Pirate Bay.
- throwaway473825 2mo agoSweden is dependent on the American nuclear umbrella. Until that changes, the US will have a lot of leverage on Sweden.
- pelagicAustral 2mo agoI mean, it's not like they have done it all over the place already...
- tiborsaas 2mo agoWorked well with alcohol last time
- root_axis 2mo agoIt sure did. Even Al Capone went to prison.
- protocolture 2mo agoWhat they always do. Send in armed men with guns? Export Controls. Import Controls. National Security Laws.
- xeromal 2mo agoGood luck doing that in China?
- HDBaseT 2mo agoYou can send armed men to your house, or restrict companies in America from using these models. They can also restrict US providers from serving these models. Looking at OpenRouter, there is currently 11 providers for 'DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731' with the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest.
- Barbing 2mo ago> the only non-US one being Deepseek themselves, which aren't even the cheapest. Interesting. If I were a western lab, might I be tempted to subsidize at least one faster & cheaper provider for Chinese models to keep even more data from leaving the US? (I know in this case there can just be more efficient providers, am asking more than speculating)
- protocolture 2mo ago>Good luck doing that in China. Crazy how all the 5 eyes nations banned Huawei within like 18 months of each other.
- akmarinov 2mo agoEurope still heavily uses Huawei though, so it’ll be the same with Chinese models
- regularfry 2mo agoFor certain specific uses. As a consumer I can still buy Huawei phones. As a business I can still buy Huawei routers, if I feel so inclined.
- CamperBob2 2mo agoLevel 1: Anyone using unauthorized model weights in their business is prohibited from doing business with the government... Level 2: ... or with anyone who does. Level 3: Anyone caught with unauthorized model weights is subject to the same prosecution they could expect if they had been caught with CSAM.
- akmarinov 2mo agoCool - how are they going to detect/police that?
- sweetjuly 2mo agoWhen has enforceability ever been a concern of the government? This is the same government that had anti-sodomy laws on the books until the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional in 2003. Making it illegal even without having a realistic means of enforcing it still chills behavior, and so just because it isn't practically enforceable in the general case doesn't mean it isn't without consequences.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoThe NSA will run Mythos against the entire US population and it will find the patterns. Powerful computer purchases. Energy consumption suddenly spiking. HN comments demonstrating intent and/or contempt for the glorious self-evident freedom preserving laws of the United States. Then they call your local law enforcement with an anonymous tip about this suspicious dude who's long overdue for a totally random home inspection.
- akmarinov 2mo agoYeah but I'm in Australia and just host AI models as a service - how are the NSA gonna convince the local law enforcement to do anything?
- CamperBob2 2mo agoAsk Kim Schmitz. (Yes, I know, NZ is nowhere near Australia, the point still holds.)
- Fordec 2mo agoEven if the US does ban it, Europe due to its lack of European competitors, has no current similar protectionist incentives. Even if there is regulatory capture in the US, the rest of the world isn't going to follow suit until the current market leaders outright are replaced with other competitors that Europe would want to favor. The genie is out of the bottle in the West already.
- gilgoomesh 2mo ago> lack of European competitors There's Mistral. Although they've been surprisingly quiet for the last 6 months.
- pimeys 2mo agoThey are profitable and active on the enterprise local model territory. You can RL a model with them for your own purposes and I heard good things about it.
- InsideOutSanta 2mo agoMistral's business model works even if they start using Chinese models instead of training their own.
- mattnewton 2mo agoIf China keeps releasing LLMs with such permissive licenses it probably works better since the pretraining rnd is subsidized and de-risked - but that’s a big if.
- Fordec 2mo agoFrance might do something mad and take that route, but EU wide ain't happening for Mistrals sake.
- victorbjorklund 2mo ago
- 0xbadcafebee 2mo agoThey can't enforce a ban. Companies can just download the models and run them on MacBooks or GPUs (or the cloud) and USG has no idea. It would also hurt the administration's funding from corporate tech (companies don't like to fund politicians who restrict them). I'm not saying the administration won't do it, it would just be very dumb.
- superze 2mo agoIf it's fable level then I am sold. I didn't have so much success with Qwen compared to claude x supermax plus thinking, no matter what I did.
- ktosobcy 2mo agoYeah, but the world is not limited to the US so who cares…