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yea, we certainly wouldn’t want regular user applications to run fast or respect user resources. can’t have that

hn_submit 2mo ago
I, for one, can't see any speed difference between a program written in Pascal (Total Commander, which I use every day) and one written in C++ (Windows Explorer).
- asdff 2mo ago
  You can’t compare apples to elephants here.
- leptons 2mo ago
  File browsers are probably the worst example you could use here. The actual file manipulations are handled by the OS. The rest of it is just displaying lists of files, so no real speed difference would be noticed in different languages/programs. Most of the time the file browser is just sitting there waiting for user interaction. The programs that do benefit from speed aren't file browsers.
  - Alpha3031 2mo ago
    There are a lot of applications like that though, only they're all being rewritten for electron.
  - hn_submit 2mo ago
    It's the only example I could come up with. There aren't that many programs written in Pascal.
krior 2mo ago
false dichtonomy
Dylan16807 2mo ago
Even if that was the tradeoff, your average C/C++ program isn't notably fast or lean.
- uecker 2mo ago
  The C programs I use daily are generally very fast, very lean and very stable: Programs such as linux, terminals, shells, vim, etc.
  - dzhiurgis 2mo ago
    Most programmers don’t have 30 years to perfect their code
    - uecker 2mo ago
      It had no crash during 30 years, not after 30 years.
      - fluffybucktsnek 2mo ago
        I did, in Linux. It was pretty common too. It got fix. But, every now and then, I still get an occasional panic. I also recall having my shell crashing (zsh or bash, I don't remember).
        uecker 2mo ago
        I certainly also remember the kernel crashing, but this was in the 90s. Later perhaps once or twice on faulty hardware. Shell, I don't think I have seen this ever.
        fluffybucktsnek 2mo ago
        In my case, the crashes were from last year to the start of this one. Some were related to AMDGPU, others to my WiFi card driver, so they're pretty recent. I don't quite remember the details of the shell crash, I only remember it being on a tool that've never seem crash due to a fault signal. It was somewhat amusing.
xigoi 2mo ago
You can have that without writing them in C or C++.
- sitzkrieg 2mo ago
  you sure can. i recommend forth

I, for one, can't see any speed difference between a program written in Pascal (Total Commander, which I use every day) and one written in C++ (Windows Explorer).

asdff 2mo ago
You can’t compare apples to elephants here.
leptons 2mo ago
File browsers are probably the worst example you could use here. The actual file manipulations are handled by the OS. The rest of it is just displaying lists of files, so no real speed difference would be noticed in different languages/programs. Most of the time the file browser is just sitting there waiting for user interaction. The programs that do benefit from speed aren't file browsers.
- Alpha3031 2mo ago
  There are a lot of applications like that though, only they're all being rewritten for electron.
- hn_submit 2mo ago
  It's the only example I could come up with. There aren't that many programs written in Pascal.

krior 2mo ago

false dichtonomy

Dylan16807 2mo ago

Even if that was the tradeoff, your average C/C++ program isn't notably fast or lean.

uecker 2mo ago
The C programs I use daily are generally very fast, very lean and very stable: Programs such as linux, terminals, shells, vim, etc.
- dzhiurgis 2mo ago
  Most programmers don’t have 30 years to perfect their code
  - uecker 2mo ago
    It had no crash during 30 years, not after 30 years.
    - fluffybucktsnek 2mo ago
      I did, in Linux. It was pretty common too. It got fix. But, every now and then, I still get an occasional panic. I also recall having my shell crashing (zsh or bash, I don't remember).
      - uecker 2mo ago
        I certainly also remember the kernel crashing, but this was in the 90s. Later perhaps once or twice on faulty hardware. Shell, I don't think I have seen this ever.
        fluffybucktsnek 2mo ago
        In my case, the crashes were from last year to the start of this one. Some were related to AMDGPU, others to my WiFi card driver, so they're pretty recent. I don't quite remember the details of the shell crash, I only remember it being on a tool that've never seem crash due to a fault signal. It was somewhat amusing.

xigoi 2mo ago

You can have that without writing them in C or C++.

sitzkrieg 2mo ago
you sure can. i recommend forth