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15.7.8 is out today as well, with these security fixes: https://support.apple.com/en-us/128071 https://support.apple.com/en-us/128071. For context, there have

15.7.8 is out today as well, with these security fixes: https://support.apple.com/en-us/128071 https://support.apple.com/en-us/128071. For context, there have been issues with MacOS 26 which have led many people to defer upgrading until MacOS 27 is available, and MacOS 15 is the previous version.

embedding-shape 2mo ago
Same thing happens almost every release. I've stopped updating my Mac machine until I see something in the release notes I literally have to have in order to continue doing macOS/iOS builds, otherwise I'm staying on the version I've validated to work, and I know the existing bugs with.
- DavideNL 2mo ago
  A better strategy would probably be to stick with the previous *major* release, but, do install its ("minor") security updates...
  - embedding-shape 2mo ago
    > do install its ("minor") security updates Yeah, I thought so too, but surprise surprise; some months ago one of the "minor" updates "broke" ("upgraded") something that made my CI/CD setup stop working, that's when I dropped the idea that Apple even do "minor" updates anymore.
- GeekyBear 2mo ago
  As we used to say in the Windows world, wait for service pack 3.
  - pjmlp 2mo ago
    That doesn't work any longer given patch tuesdays, at work wait that IT validates them and pushes the updates via managed WSU, at home, it is worthwhile wanting if something hits the news on WindowsCentral, Verge or what have you.
    - GeekyBear 2mo ago
      It doesn't work with Windows anymore, since Microsoft no longer allows the user to control their own computer. However, Software Update on Apple devices still allows you to turn off automatic update installation the way Windows used to.
      - pjmlp 2mo ago
        It does when using Professional and Workstation, there are still a few knobs available. For quite some time that I don't use home edition. I also would not bet on Apple staying that way.
        GeekyBear 2mo ago
        "You can delay this update for a little while" simply isn't the same thing as "you still have full control over updates". It's right up there with Microsoft's "you are not allowed to turn telemetry all the way off", or all the efforts to require the use of an online Microsoft account to access your own computer.
        pjmlp 2mo ago
        You mean the efforts to follow Apple and Google footsteps and stores? Ever heard of Local Group Policy Editor?
        GeekyBear 2mo ago
        WindowsRT and Windows S were already attempts to lock down Windows to only allow apps from an app store. Secure Boot initially didn't allow the install of operating systems other than Windows. Microsoft is the company continually attempting to lock down their general purpose computers, not Apple. ...and no. Microsoft backing down aftet consumers revolt doesn't mean their attempts don't count.
        pjmlp 2mo ago
jghn 2mo ago
> For context, there have been issues with MacOS 26 which have led many people to defer upgrading For me the issue is liquid glass. Which I doubt is getting fixed any time soon
- illithid0 2mo ago
  Also a liquid glass hater, but for what it's worth, 27 is supposed to make it a little bit better. I would prefer to go back to what I had before I had to upgrade into this horrible UI, but this is better than nothing. https://www.cultofmac.com/news/liquid-glass-changes-ios-27-macos-27 https://www.cultofmac.com/news/liquid-glass-changes-ios-27-m...
  - lapcat 2mo ago
    > this is better than nothing. Having installed the beta, I think that's the best you can say about it.
    - illithid0 2mo ago
      As long as the UI improves and I can ignore all the AI stuff they're starting to push through, that's fine with me, though like many longtime macOS users, I'm not holding my breath for a bug-free experience.
      - dylan604 2mo ago
        > though like many longtime macOS users For those of us older than just 10 years of using macOS, the older Apple OSes have instilled within us the desire to never install the X.0 release and wait until at least the X.1 release. The bug-free experience is a myth
        D-Coder 2mo ago
        > wait until at least the X.1 release I think that applies to almost all software, not just Apple OSes. After all, Confucius said: "The only thing worse than old software is new software."
ExoticPearTree 2mo ago
26.0 had a very annoying video jitter issue, but that was the first things that I noticed to be fixed in the next 26 release. Other than that, it worked just fine.
- andreasley 2mo ago
  The bug that led to network connection issues after 49 days of uninterrupted uptime was a bit of a showstopper for me.
carra 2mo ago
Are there no versions between MacOS 15 and 26???
- deleted 2mo ago
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- kylemaxwell 2mo ago
  They changed the numbering scheme, so... no, there aren't. Version numbers are now year-based, but previously they were not.
- hbn 2mo ago
  Last year they unified all their OS version numbers to just match upcoming year. macOS went from 15 to 26 iOS went from 18 to 26 watchOS went from 11 to 26 and so on
- classified 2mo ago
  No, 26 is the successor of 15. They changed the numbering to year-based.
crossroadsguy 2mo ago
Did they un-hardcode the corner radius? I mean were they able to? I mean not that that anyone at this point needs convincing how utterly disgusting incompetent they’re at software.
- gedy 2mo ago
  They reduced the radius back to older, smaller size and now all apps use a single radius, vs the weird 3 different radii in Tahoe. Looks better.
  - hbn 2mo ago
    I was shocked to find out the inconsistent corner radii in Tahoe was an intentional design decision. I figured it's so obviously bad that it was just sloppy work. But one of the WWDC session videos bafflingly clarified that it depends on whether the app has a toolbar or not. https://youtu.be/VqTn9NgiE1s?t=439 https://youtu.be/VqTn9NgiE1s?t=439 I can't imagine how the people who signed off on that were put in charge of design at Apple.
    - gedy 2mo ago
      I am fairly convinced this was all designed only in graphic tools, and looked nice in static mockups, like those fake desktops with overlapping small windows widely spaced, etc. The design folks probably all had giant studio displays with plenty of room, etc. Then the reality of "what about toolbars", "what about dark mode", "what about laptop screens", etc were all afterthoughts and resulted in bolt-on fixes like that.
bouke 2mo ago
The question now is, is 27 sufficient enough of an improvement over 15 to upgrade and tolerate Liquid Glass?
gokohl 2mo ago
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reddalo 2mo ago
>have led many people to defer upgrading until MacOS 27 is available Then there's me, crying in MacBook Pro 2019 stuck on MacOS 15 because 27 won't be available for my machine.

embedding-shape 2mo ago

Same thing happens almost every release. I've stopped updating my Mac machine until I see something in the release notes I literally have to have in order to continue doing macOS/iOS builds, otherwise I'm staying on the version I've validated to work, and I know the existing bugs with.

DavideNL 2mo ago
A better strategy would probably be to stick with the previous *major* release, but, do install its ("minor") security updates...
- embedding-shape 2mo ago
  > do install its ("minor") security updates Yeah, I thought so too, but surprise surprise; some months ago one of the "minor" updates "broke" ("upgraded") something that made my CI/CD setup stop working, that's when I dropped the idea that Apple even do "minor" updates anymore.
GeekyBear 2mo ago
As we used to say in the Windows world, wait for service pack 3.
- pjmlp 2mo ago
  That doesn't work any longer given patch tuesdays, at work wait that IT validates them and pushes the updates via managed WSU, at home, it is worthwhile wanting if something hits the news on WindowsCentral, Verge or what have you.
  - GeekyBear 2mo ago
    It doesn't work with Windows anymore, since Microsoft no longer allows the user to control their own computer. However, Software Update on Apple devices still allows you to turn off automatic update installation the way Windows used to.
    - pjmlp 2mo ago
      It does when using Professional and Workstation, there are still a few knobs available. For quite some time that I don't use home edition. I also would not bet on Apple staying that way.
      - GeekyBear 2mo ago
        "You can delay this update for a little while" simply isn't the same thing as "you still have full control over updates". It's right up there with Microsoft's "you are not allowed to turn telemetry all the way off", or all the efforts to require the use of an online Microsoft account to access your own computer.
        pjmlp 2mo ago
        You mean the efforts to follow Apple and Google footsteps and stores? Ever heard of Local Group Policy Editor?
        GeekyBear 2mo ago
        WindowsRT and Windows S were already attempts to lock down Windows to only allow apps from an app store. Secure Boot initially didn't allow the install of operating systems other than Windows. Microsoft is the company continually attempting to lock down their general purpose computers, not Apple. ...and no. Microsoft backing down aftet consumers revolt doesn't mean their attempts don't count.
        pjmlp 2mo ago

jghn 2mo ago

> For context, there have been issues with MacOS 26 which have led many people to defer upgrading For me the issue is liquid glass. Which I doubt is getting fixed any time soon

illithid0 2mo ago
Also a liquid glass hater, but for what it's worth, 27 is supposed to make it a little bit better. I would prefer to go back to what I had before I had to upgrade into this horrible UI, but this is better than nothing. https://www.cultofmac.com/news/liquid-glass-changes-ios-27-macos-27 https://www.cultofmac.com/news/liquid-glass-changes-ios-27-m...
- lapcat 2mo ago
  > this is better than nothing. Having installed the beta, I think that's the best you can say about it.
  - illithid0 2mo ago
    As long as the UI improves and I can ignore all the AI stuff they're starting to push through, that's fine with me, though like many longtime macOS users, I'm not holding my breath for a bug-free experience.
    - dylan604 2mo ago
      > though like many longtime macOS users For those of us older than just 10 years of using macOS, the older Apple OSes have instilled within us the desire to never install the X.0 release and wait until at least the X.1 release. The bug-free experience is a myth
      - D-Coder 2mo ago
        > wait until at least the X.1 release I think that applies to almost all software, not just Apple OSes. After all, Confucius said: "The only thing worse than old software is new software."

ExoticPearTree 2mo ago

26.0 had a very annoying video jitter issue, but that was the first things that I noticed to be fixed in the next 26 release. Other than that, it worked just fine.

andreasley 2mo ago
The bug that led to network connection issues after 49 days of uninterrupted uptime was a bit of a showstopper for me.

carra 2mo ago

Are there no versions between MacOS 15 and 26???

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kylemaxwell 2mo ago
They changed the numbering scheme, so... no, there aren't. Version numbers are now year-based, but previously they were not.
hbn 2mo ago
Last year they unified all their OS version numbers to just match upcoming year. macOS went from 15 to 26 iOS went from 18 to 26 watchOS went from 11 to 26 and so on
classified 2mo ago
No, 26 is the successor of 15. They changed the numbering to year-based.

crossroadsguy 2mo ago

Did they un-hardcode the corner radius? I mean were they able to? I mean not that that anyone at this point needs convincing how utterly disgusting incompetent they’re at software.

gedy 2mo ago
They reduced the radius back to older, smaller size and now all apps use a single radius, vs the weird 3 different radii in Tahoe. Looks better.
- hbn 2mo ago
  I was shocked to find out the inconsistent corner radii in Tahoe was an intentional design decision. I figured it's so obviously bad that it was just sloppy work. But one of the WWDC session videos bafflingly clarified that it depends on whether the app has a toolbar or not. https://youtu.be/VqTn9NgiE1s?t=439 https://youtu.be/VqTn9NgiE1s?t=439 I can't imagine how the people who signed off on that were put in charge of design at Apple.
  - gedy 2mo ago
    I am fairly convinced this was all designed only in graphic tools, and looked nice in static mockups, like those fake desktops with overlapping small windows widely spaced, etc. The design folks probably all had giant studio displays with plenty of room, etc. Then the reality of "what about toolbars", "what about dark mode", "what about laptop screens", etc were all afterthoughts and resulted in bolt-on fixes like that.

bouke 2mo ago

The question now is, is 27 sufficient enough of an improvement over 15 to upgrade and tolerate Liquid Glass?

gokohl 2mo ago

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reddalo 2mo ago

>have led many people to defer upgrading until MacOS 27 is available Then there's me, crying in MacBook Pro 2019 stuck on MacOS 15 because 27 won't be available for my machine.