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I hope they don’t send any to Bulgaria. Our PM is waiting exactly this to declare we’re joining the Russian federation.

by nesarkvechnep 2mo ago

AnimalMuppet 2mo ago
How are Russian drones entering Bulgarian territory going to give the PM the chance/excuse to join Russia?
- GTP 2mo ago
  I don't know if this is their case, but some politicians don't care much about their arguments making sense. In this specific case, a politician could either claim the drones come from some other country, and Russia is going to protect them, or that they need to join Russia for them to stop.
- koiueo 2mo ago
  There's no logic behind russia's pretexts. In 2014-15 they started shelling civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, then used that as a pretext to increase their military presence by pretending it's all local militias fighting back the shelling the ruskies themselves started. The pretext was fully fabricated, the militias theatre was fully fabricated. Nothing made sense. To anyone with a pinch if intellect the truth was obvious... Yet, the legend of Ukrainians murdering other Ukrainians for using russian language has rooted so much, even now some ppl believe that bs. In case of Bulgaria, ruskies could attack, then attack again pretending russian-speaking population needs protection in the light of the first attack. And right-wing nutheads in EU gonna believe that, and blame NATO for offensive expansion No Logic Whatsoever
  - blagie 2mo ago
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    - api 2mo ago
      As with many conflicts this one goes back a long way. Ukraine gave up its nukes to Russia in exchange for a non aggression pact that the invasion broke. Also bad for the world. The lesson, as with Iran and Iraq, is: you’d better have nukes and never give them up. This is the opposite of the lesson we want if we want to contain proliferation. The global taboo on use remains. If someone breaks that and gets away with it we are into civilization ending danger territory.
      - dust42 2mo ago
        > As with many conflicts this one goes back a long way. Ukraine gave up its nukes to Russia in exchange for a non aggression pact that the invasion broke. From the Guardian (12 days ago): "Kyiv’s decision to honour second world war fighters who killed about 100,000 Poles has revived simmering tensions". Bandera was a Nazi collaborator and today's Ukraine politics worships Bandera. Lots of streets are renamed to honor him. Eastern Ukrainians are considered second class - or as some politicians said: "There are 2 million people too many". The US (look up Nuland and her quote about 'fuck the EU') fueled with $5B the nationalism in Ukraine. Now imagine, the US would fuel with $50B the nationalism in Belgium and the the flemish would attack wallonie. You know what would happen? France would support the wallonie. Nothing to see here.
      - somenameforme 2mo ago
        Ukraine never had its own independently controlled/operated nukes. The USSR deployed nukes on various territories but all command and control was completely centralized within Russia. Ukraine/Belarus/Kazakhstan returned the Soviet nukes to Russia under the same agreement and received some nonbinding assurances and cash in exchange - it was nothing like a formal pact. Had any of these countries tried to reverse engineer the nukes, they'd likely have been invaded by the US, Russia, and most other major world powers, so it was largely an offer they couldn't refuse. Russia claims those assurances ended with the US actively advocating on the ground in Ukraine for the overthrow of their government in 2014, as the assurances included not interfering in domestic politics or using economic coercion. But the US also sanctioned and was working to overthrow Belarus as far back as 2006, so those assurances had been pretty much dead for a long time. Outside of that I completely agree with everything else you said, especially with people not appreciating how far back these conflicts go. The whole Bandera stuff has no real parallel in the West, so I think most people wouldn't really be able to 'get it' even if they had the facts, which they overwhelmingly do not.
paganel 2mo ago
> we’re joining the Russian federation. Based PM, from one of your neighbors just North of the Danube.
- azan_ 2mo ago
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- Sabinus 2mo ago
  Why not just move to Russia yourself? Live under a strong traditional leader and culture.
  - paganel 2mo ago
    Waiting for our liberators from the Western yoke right here in Bucharest, you've got a problem with that?
    - Sabinus 2mo ago
      I wouldn't recommend that strategty. EU-NATO defence spending is increasing and having the front-line pass over you is somewhere between an extremely harrowing and a deadly experience. You can immediately (and reasonably safely) get the strong and traditional ruler you want by just migrating over. Russia says they respect national minorities, and they offer incentives for workers willing to migrate. What's stopping you?

I hope they don’t send any to Bulgaria. Our PM is waiting exactly this to declare we’re joining the Russian federation.

AnimalMuppet 2mo ago

How are Russian drones entering Bulgarian territory going to give the PM the chance/excuse to join Russia?

GTP 2mo ago
I don't know if this is their case, but some politicians don't care much about their arguments making sense. In this specific case, a politician could either claim the drones come from some other country, and Russia is going to protect them, or that they need to join Russia for them to stop.
koiueo 2mo ago
There's no logic behind russia's pretexts. In 2014-15 they started shelling civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, then used that as a pretext to increase their military presence by pretending it's all local militias fighting back the shelling the ruskies themselves started. The pretext was fully fabricated, the militias theatre was fully fabricated. Nothing made sense. To anyone with a pinch if intellect the truth was obvious... Yet, the legend of Ukrainians murdering other Ukrainians for using russian language has rooted so much, even now some ppl believe that bs. In case of Bulgaria, ruskies could attack, then attack again pretending russian-speaking population needs protection in the light of the first attack. And right-wing nutheads in EU gonna believe that, and blame NATO for offensive expansion No Logic Whatsoever
- blagie 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - api 2mo ago
    As with many conflicts this one goes back a long way. Ukraine gave up its nukes to Russia in exchange for a non aggression pact that the invasion broke. Also bad for the world. The lesson, as with Iran and Iraq, is: you’d better have nukes and never give them up. This is the opposite of the lesson we want if we want to contain proliferation. The global taboo on use remains. If someone breaks that and gets away with it we are into civilization ending danger territory.
    - dust42 2mo ago
      > As with many conflicts this one goes back a long way. Ukraine gave up its nukes to Russia in exchange for a non aggression pact that the invasion broke. From the Guardian (12 days ago): "Kyiv’s decision to honour second world war fighters who killed about 100,000 Poles has revived simmering tensions". Bandera was a Nazi collaborator and today's Ukraine politics worships Bandera. Lots of streets are renamed to honor him. Eastern Ukrainians are considered second class - or as some politicians said: "There are 2 million people too many". The US (look up Nuland and her quote about 'fuck the EU') fueled with $5B the nationalism in Ukraine. Now imagine, the US would fuel with $50B the nationalism in Belgium and the the flemish would attack wallonie. You know what would happen? France would support the wallonie. Nothing to see here.
    - somenameforme 2mo ago
      Ukraine never had its own independently controlled/operated nukes. The USSR deployed nukes on various territories but all command and control was completely centralized within Russia. Ukraine/Belarus/Kazakhstan returned the Soviet nukes to Russia under the same agreement and received some nonbinding assurances and cash in exchange - it was nothing like a formal pact. Had any of these countries tried to reverse engineer the nukes, they'd likely have been invaded by the US, Russia, and most other major world powers, so it was largely an offer they couldn't refuse. Russia claims those assurances ended with the US actively advocating on the ground in Ukraine for the overthrow of their government in 2014, as the assurances included not interfering in domestic politics or using economic coercion. But the US also sanctioned and was working to overthrow Belarus as far back as 2006, so those assurances had been pretty much dead for a long time. Outside of that I completely agree with everything else you said, especially with people not appreciating how far back these conflicts go. The whole Bandera stuff has no real parallel in the West, so I think most people wouldn't really be able to 'get it' even if they had the facts, which they overwhelmingly do not.

paganel 2mo ago

> we’re joining the Russian federation. Based PM, from one of your neighbors just North of the Danube.

azan_ 2mo ago
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Sabinus 2mo ago
Why not just move to Russia yourself? Live under a strong traditional leader and culture.
- paganel 2mo ago
  Waiting for our liberators from the Western yoke right here in Bucharest, you've got a problem with that?
  - Sabinus 2mo ago
    I wouldn't recommend that strategty. EU-NATO defence spending is increasing and having the front-line pass over you is somewhere between an extremely harrowing and a deadly experience. You can immediately (and reasonably safely) get the strong and traditional ruler you want by just migrating over. Russia says they respect national minorities, and they offer incentives for workers willing to migrate. What's stopping you?