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> So I devised a plan to retrieve it. I'm just going to rewind time. I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing when I had that idea, and then it'll come ba

> So I devised a plan to retrieve it. I'm just going to rewind time. I'm going to go back to doing what I was doing when I had that idea, and then it'll come back to me. You narrated the ideas back. It's words and language. There is no hidden, unknown, layer of "thought".

andai 2mo ago
>You narrated the ideas back No, I rewound my visual memory, to see what I was doing, and then I did it again, to provide the same stimulus, to retrieve the lost memory. I've met a few people who have nonverbal cognition, which is also not visual. It's a bit like this, a "direct manipulation of ideas". > The words or the language, as they are written or spoken, do not seem to play any role in my mechanism of thought. The psychical entities which seem to serve as elements in thought are certain signs and more or less clear images which can be “voluntarily” reproduced and combined… The above-mentioned elements are, in my case, of visual and some of muscular type. Conventional words or other signs have to be sought for laboriously only in a secondary stage, when the mentioned associative play is sufficiently established and can be reproduced at will. https://cognitivemedium.com/srs-mathematics https://cognitivemedium.com/srs-mathematics Though as I mentioned, I had this more as a child, and I've become overreliant on language, and this "direct" facility has starkly deteriorated. But as the author explains in the rest of this article, this fluency can be regained by sheer force of will, by simply working on a very narrow problem space obsessively for weeks at a time. (We don't know if that works for everyone, or if it's something weird like perfect pitch. I suspect everyone could gain a great deal of fluency -- that the chunking would reach such a high order level as to make the mnaipulation feel transparent. But possibly, the types of chunks would be different depending on the person. More data needed!)
- the_gipsy 2mo ago
  There are no movie clips in your brain that you replay. You are re-narrating the scene, you just may not notice it.
  - weregiraffe 2mo ago
    Next you gonna say we don't have images in our brain, only descriptions?
    - the_gipsy 2mo ago
      Picture your last meal. Is it a picture? Pixel or vector, or like a photo?
      - weregiraffe 2mo ago
        It's definitely not a text.
        the_gipsy 2mo ago
        I'm not saying it is text. But it's not an image.
        Dylan16807 2mo ago
        Doesn't "not text or image" go against your main argument? Yeah it's mostly conceptual and it's not narrated.
        the_gipsy 2mo ago
        So what is it, then? Some mystical thing?
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        Dylan16807 2mo ago
        Preface: Okay, comment version 2.0 since someone instantly flagged me for replying with a dictionary entry. The reason my comment is fundamentally a dictionary entry is because I was asked "what is it?" in response to a two sentence comment where I already said it was "conceptual". I think there's a very wide gap in understanding here, and restating and defining the word "concept" is the best way to bridge that gap. All I can really do is make my point clearer (via dictionary entry), I can't say anything else useful until I understand what wasn't clear about my previous comment. If the person that flagged me still has a problem with my comment, please explain it. Reply: > So what is it, then? Some mystical thing? concept/ˈkänˌsept/A concept is a broad mental plan, general idea, or core principle used to understand and group things together. It acts as a basic building block for human thought, language, and design. Also, why are you asking me? Didn't you just accept it not being text and then argue it's also not an image?

andai 2mo ago

>You narrated the ideas back No, I rewound my visual memory, to see what I was doing, and then I did it again, to provide the same stimulus, to retrieve the lost memory. I've met a few people who have nonverbal cognition, which is also not visual. It's a bit like this, a "direct manipulation of ideas". > The words or the language, as they are written or spoken, do not seem to play any role in my mechanism of thought. The psychical entities which seem to serve as elements in thought are certain signs and more or less clear images which can be “voluntarily” reproduced and combined… The above-mentioned elements are, in my case, of visual and some of muscular type. Conventional words or other signs have to be sought for laboriously only in a secondary stage, when the mentioned associative play is sufficiently established and can be reproduced at will. https://cognitivemedium.com/srs-mathematics https://cognitivemedium.com/srs-mathematics Though as I mentioned, I had this more as a child, and I've become overreliant on language, and this "direct" facility has starkly deteriorated. But as the author explains in the rest of this article, this fluency can be regained by sheer force of will, by simply working on a very narrow problem space obsessively for weeks at a time. (We don't know if that works for everyone, or if it's something weird like perfect pitch. I suspect everyone could gain a great deal of fluency -- that the chunking would reach such a high order level as to make the mnaipulation feel transparent. But possibly, the types of chunks would be different depending on the person. More data needed!)

the_gipsy 2mo ago
There are no movie clips in your brain that you replay. You are re-narrating the scene, you just may not notice it.
- weregiraffe 2mo ago
  Next you gonna say we don't have images in our brain, only descriptions?
  - the_gipsy 2mo ago
    Picture your last meal. Is it a picture? Pixel or vector, or like a photo?
    - weregiraffe 2mo ago
      It's definitely not a text.
      - the_gipsy 2mo ago
        I'm not saying it is text. But it's not an image.
        Dylan16807 2mo ago
        Doesn't "not text or image" go against your main argument? Yeah it's mostly conceptual and it's not narrated.
        the_gipsy 2mo ago
        So what is it, then? Some mystical thing?
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        Dylan16807 2mo ago
        Preface: Okay, comment version 2.0 since someone instantly flagged me for replying with a dictionary entry. The reason my comment is fundamentally a dictionary entry is because I was asked "what is it?" in response to a two sentence comment where I already said it was "conceptual". I think there's a very wide gap in understanding here, and restating and defining the word "concept" is the best way to bridge that gap. All I can really do is make my point clearer (via dictionary entry), I can't say anything else useful until I understand what wasn't clear about my previous comment. If the person that flagged me still has a problem with my comment, please explain it. Reply: > So what is it, then? Some mystical thing? concept/ˈkänˌsept/A concept is a broad mental plan, general idea, or core principle used to understand and group things together. It acts as a basic building block for human thought, language, and design. Also, why are you asking me? Didn't you just accept it not being text and then argue it's also not an image?