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“You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude, OpenAI Codex).” Seems pretty clea

by cwillu 3mo ago

“You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude, OpenAI Codex).” Seems pretty clear to me?

jorisw 3mo ago
If 'mostly' means over 50% you could call this clear. Otherwise I don't think this is clear at all. Otherwise, what is mostly? Mostly at the outset, or at any given time? Must the project move out when it goes from 49% to 51% AI-assisted code?
- KingOfCoders 3mo ago
  "Mostly at any given time?" Yes, old project with 1M LOC of pre-AI code + 100% AI 100k LOC generated coded for the last three months, is that mostly?
  - lproven 3mo ago
    No. "Most" is clear and unambiguous. It means more X than Y. The value of X is larger than the value of Y. X = bot slop ; Y = human written code In your question, 90% human written, 10% bot generated; no, it is not "most".
    - KingOfCoders 3mo ago
      LOC? NLOC? Files? Calculated during the last week? Day? Month? Year?
      - lproven 3mo ago
        Quibbling. If someone is in the process of intentionally turning their project into slop, replacing human written code with bot-extruded code, then they can pay to host their own... ... And they should still be held fully responsible for the true environmental cost of the power and resources used to run the bots replacing craft with slop. This activity is criminally wasteful, and should be treated as a crime.
KingOfCoders 3mo ago
What is mostly? >50%? >75%? What does "written by generative AI" means? Autocomplete? IDE-with-AI-normal-classname-completion? Everything not typed by a human. I personally don't find this clear at all and see many unhappy discussions in the future for Codeberg.
- oneeyedpigeon 3mo ago
  I think it's reasonable to assume >50% by default, unless the source clarifies what they mean by "mostly".
  - Orygin 3mo ago
    It's reasonable not to assume what they meant. They have a clear stance on the subject instead of letting us guess
  - KingOfCoders 3mo ago
    To me majority != mostly.
    - oneeyedpigeon 3mo ago
      I agree that they have different connotations. However, in the absence of other information, I don't see how we could ever collectively agree on a better value. The least subjective option, as far as I'm concerned, is "more than 50%". If a is 50.001 and b is 49.999, then a is the one with the most, not b.
  - cassianoleal 3mo ago
    >50% of words? Characters? LoC? Files?
    - oneeyedpigeon 3mo ago
      Yeah, this is the bit where it really falls down, regardless of how you define "mostly"!
  - 3mo ago

by cwillu 3mo ago

“You must not share projects that mostly consist of code written by "generative AI"-tools (including services such as Claude, OpenAI Codex).” Seems pretty clear to me?

jorisw 3mo ago

If 'mostly' means over 50% you could call this clear. Otherwise I don't think this is clear at all. Otherwise, what is mostly? Mostly at the outset, or at any given time? Must the project move out when it goes from 49% to 51% AI-assisted code?

KingOfCoders 3mo ago
"Mostly at any given time?" Yes, old project with 1M LOC of pre-AI code + 100% AI 100k LOC generated coded for the last three months, is that mostly?
- lproven 3mo ago
  No. "Most" is clear and unambiguous. It means more X than Y. The value of X is larger than the value of Y. X = bot slop ; Y = human written code In your question, 90% human written, 10% bot generated; no, it is not "most".
  - KingOfCoders 3mo ago
    LOC? NLOC? Files? Calculated during the last week? Day? Month? Year?
    - lproven 3mo ago
      Quibbling. If someone is in the process of intentionally turning their project into slop, replacing human written code with bot-extruded code, then they can pay to host their own... ... And they should still be held fully responsible for the true environmental cost of the power and resources used to run the bots replacing craft with slop. This activity is criminally wasteful, and should be treated as a crime.

KingOfCoders 3mo ago

What is mostly? >50%? >75%? What does "written by generative AI" means? Autocomplete? IDE-with-AI-normal-classname-completion? Everything not typed by a human. I personally don't find this clear at all and see many unhappy discussions in the future for Codeberg.

oneeyedpigeon 3mo ago
I think it's reasonable to assume >50% by default, unless the source clarifies what they mean by "mostly".
- Orygin 3mo ago
  It's reasonable not to assume what they meant. They have a clear stance on the subject instead of letting us guess
- KingOfCoders 3mo ago
  To me majority != mostly.
  - oneeyedpigeon 3mo ago
    I agree that they have different connotations. However, in the absence of other information, I don't see how we could ever collectively agree on a better value. The least subjective option, as far as I'm concerned, is "more than 50%". If a is 50.001 and b is 49.999, then a is the one with the most, not b.
- cassianoleal 3mo ago
  >50% of words? Characters? LoC? Files?
  - oneeyedpigeon 3mo ago
    Yeah, this is the bit where it really falls down, regardless of how you define "mostly"!
- 3mo ago