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I upvoted this submission, not because I like this, but because I think people need to see this. If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI:
by dijit 3mo ago
I upvoted this submission, not because I like this, but because I think people need to see this.
If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI: Don’t.
- prologic 3mo agoSame. I'm horrified, but also not surprised.
- jonthepirate 3mo agoI see an iceberg ahead, captain.
- N_Lens 3mo agoCan't see sh*t Cap'n!
- appplication 3mo agoNothing to worry about, it turns out it’s just a collection of parquet and some metadata
- reassess_blind 3mo agoWhy are you horrified?
- windexh8er 3mo agoBecause ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.
- MitziMoto 3mo agoAs far as I can tell, these ads still look like ads, clearly marked as sponsored?
- nativeit 3mo ago> As far as I can tell… This is precisely the problem with the entire notion of putting advertising into these models. You’ll never really know.
- LordDragonfang 3mo agoYeah, that would be a problem. Luckily, the actual post we're discussing isn't putting any advertising in the model. This is a very important distinction to make -- complaints should be be about what is happening, and should distinguish that from what is not yet happening and should not. Because beyond the maxim that we should try to deal in facts... if OpenAI thinks people can't tell the difference anyways, they'll be justified in thinking they may as well just do the thing they're already being accused of doing.
- m-s-y 3mo agoGod forbid we anticipate what could possibly go wrong in an attempt to get ahead of the problem. But I guess waiting for problems to show their ugly heads before acting has never backfired.
- andersonpico 3mo ago> complaints should be be about what is happening Why would you think that? An ad supported product has misaligned incentives, everyone can see that and that's why the confidence erodes from that moment on. You're living in the era in which saying "Stallman was right" is a dead cold take. Every big tech company sold out exactly like the hippies told you they would back when Google was a dream place to work for and Meta was still a twinkle in zuk's eyes.
- darkwater 3mo agoLook at how ads in Google SERP were before 2014 (and they already crossed "we won't put ads" line a few years before) https://www.bmon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/deep-hole-drilling-search-old-600x488.gif https://www.bmon.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/deep-hole-... Now, well, if you do the same exact search, at least in my location (and with UBlock disabled) it's frankly a mess but must admit that sponsored links are not even the first thing you see. There is the AI result, then the Wikipedia result, then some random result, then the sponsored block with a flat headline separating it and then the organic results, I presume.
- lopatin 3mo agoCalling it model bias is as disingenuous as calling newspaper ads media bias.
- slyrus 3mo agoSo you’re saying it’s legit?
- GolfPopper 3mo agoCall them both what they are: shit dumped into your mind.
- port11 3mo agoNewspaper ads weren’t targeted specifically to YOU based on what the newspaper knew about YOU.
- antonvs 3mo agoThere are plenty of cases where the media, including newspapers, have avoided reporting or other content that would negatively affect their advertisers. So yes, newspaper ads do imply media bias.
- windexh8er 3mo agoCan you change a newspaper ad on the fly?
- iugtmkbdfil834 3mo agoLook on the bright side of open local models ahead.
- LordDragonfang 3mo agoGenuine question, was this comment written without opening the link? Because I can't see how you've come to this conclusion unless you're skipping several steps. The ads in TFA still look like ads to me.
- dbdr 3mo ago"ads will no longer look like ads" (in the future). Ads are clearly marked in the first step, but will likely be more and more blended over time (or worse, biasing the model and therefore the output itself). That's the logical future, because that's better for the advertiser, which is the paying customer. That already happened on Google search: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003372 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003372
- kubb 3mo agoThe golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we have today can explain this to you if you know how to prompt.
- echelon 3mo agoLLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and begin dismantling the margin and monopoly of every major piece of software we know and use. If ChatGPT has ads, how hard would it be for a different startup to offer an LLM alternative? Distribution and branding might be the only things that matter going forward. We may have just turned the tech industry into the 1960's cigarette industry. LLMs are a Google killer. I don't think it'll be long before people start using their power to take away market share from big tech. Big tech laying off so many senior engineers might have created the dry kindling to set this off. (Because people always comment - this is not sarcasm. I'm being serious.)
- kubb 3mo ago> How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? Extremely hard, because it would need a modest capital investment which won’t happen. Every subsequent example you give is harder.
- fhub 3mo agoI've been thinking along these lines for a while. It isn't just about building an alternate cheaply, it is about convincing people to switch. I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying, just that building the thing is just the beginning of a long journey.
- bambax 3mo agoAt least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. I fear there will come a time where ads will be intermingled in the response tokens. In fact SEO people on SEO forums have been talking about how to inject products into training for many months; but at some point the model operators will offer this directly.
- archerx 3mo ago[flagged]
- pixlmint 3mo agoThey'll simply copy Google's playbook. First, clearly highlighted as advertisement results, usually the first three, so just with muscle memory you'll scroll down right away. Then they get bigger. Then the highlighting gets removed. Then it's just a tiny badge saying "advertisement".
- nibbleyou 3mo agoThis is something that I noticed after doing a Google search on a new machine without uBlock Origin installed. I was unable to identify that the first link was an advertisement to a competitor's product of the brand I looked up. I remember adverts used to be highlighted really well in Google searches earlier. If I am unable to differentiate between an ad and a search result then neither can a lot of non technical users including my parents. Can't wait to see ChatGPT ads
- kubanczyk 3mo ago> At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. As a frog would say: at least the heat is separate from water, for now.
- satvikpendem 3mo agoFunny that people still perpetuate the myth about boiling frogs; they absolutely jump out at a certain hot enough temperature regardless of how slowly it is heated.
- monegator 3mo ago> If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI who, but an incredibly dishonest person, would ever think that?