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it's a real paradox, that chinese models are what guards democratization and private use of ai while us models are moted castles with "kings" crying that you ar
by kiicia 2mo ago
it's a real paradox, that chinese models are what guards democratization and private use of ai while us models are moted castles with "kings" crying that you are stealing their legally stolen goods... what times we are living in...
- kingleopold 2mo agoethics and other details are for humans. AI companies just proving it, even highest IQ teams are against ethics because they want more, even several millions is not enough for them.
- jml78 2mo agoAI has forced a dramatic shift in my view on intellectual property. The laws as they exist only protect corporations now. They do not protect individuals no matter how much people want to think they do. AI has proven this. I think to level the playing field all copyright, trademarks, and patents laws should be eliminated. If I want to make a marvel movie, I should be allowed to and profit from it. AI let the cat out of the bag and there is no going back. We need to let individuals profit just like corporations can from what is considered theft right now.
- _DeadFred_ 2mo agoOr we could build on and enforce the 300+ years of thought and trial that went into copyright law so that individuals are re-empowered. But nah, let's do the most radical, least thought out thing, and absolutely destroy small scale creators. I'm sure Amazon will be benevolent and continue to pay writers in your scenario. What is with 2026 and just conceding civilization to the worst actors, and then adopting the worst tactics/thoughts/concepts?
- projektfu 2mo agoWriters will be forced to go on tour like musicians in order to get anything from their work, and they may not release the works to the public until after their death. So much for the last of the troubadours.
- marcosdumay 2mo agoWhen exactly did rulers thought about copyrights with the goal of empowering the people?
- economistbob 2mo agoYou are on to something. The extensive copywrite terms have ensured that the work of everyone except the oligarch corporations vanishes into the ether since it cannot be reproduced for over a century if the author lives another 30 years. There will be no one debating the great minds of the twentieth century because the corporations made it illegal for people to republish critical editions of any such works. The greats were recirculated every twenty or thirty years for centuries. The smaller authors will vanish into the nothing and Western Civilization's 20th century onward will vanish and be almost forgotten forever because of that mouse. There will be more ancient literature remembered than literature after the invention of the printing press because they made it illegal to share printed materials for nigh on two centuries if an author was young when they wrote it. There will be more ancient scrolls preserved for the future than books of 20th century philosophy and science because the latter is a crime. Only the oligarchs who pirated the books will have a cultural memory. They have cursed our era to oblivion when it comes to intellectual property because they can generate billions now for the mouse's henchmen.
- fidotron 2mo ago> AI has forced a dramatic shift in my view on intellectual property. The laws as they exist only protect corporations now. Even this isn't quite right. Publishers unambiguously have been screwed. What has happened is if you can give the political/investment classes enough upside opportunity in the entities doing the IP theft then you're golden, and they increasingly have no problem with even pretending to hide it.
- inigyou 2mo agoThe technique is called "accusation in a mirror". By accusing the enemy of doing what you are doing, when they call out what you are doing, they look like they are just weakly repeating your own accusations because they don't have any truth. And the anger that should be directed against you (because of your practices) gets directed at the enemy.
- Lutger 2mo agoThank you for this, I've noticed this often in politics and didn't know it has a name. Some politicians do this so often, that any accusation to me reads a confession instead.
- hnfong 2mo agoIt's usually called self projecting in more common terms I think.
- desterothx 2mo agoWell implemented by the current US administration. Every accusation is a confession
- TremendousJudge 2mo agowhy is it a paradox? guarding their IP overseas has been the modus operandi of American software companies since their inception
- mihaic 2mo agoThe paradox is that their IP was obtained by distillation of the collective IP of humanity.
- WarmWash 2mo agoI'm sure all those stackexchange experts will be getting their checks for helping launch countless software projects over the last 20 years any day now...
- mihaic 2mo agoYou're basically saying that since open source projects can be reused by others, the people making closed source projects shouldn't complain when the same thing happens to them. Everyone posting on Stack Overflow knew it would be public and free. Book authors put an explicit copyright notice, which includes derivations of their work.
- kiicia 2mo agoIt’s not their IP, they never created data they were training on in the first place, at best they derived existing data without asking if they can commercialized it
- spyckie2 2mo agoCompetition is a good thing for consumers.
- Chrisszz 2mo agoIt is also good for the technology itself, just image if there would be just one company that does "just well enough", they will be unmotivated to improve their ai models
- maerF0x0 2mo agoIt blows my mind that these two companies are going to mint billionaires, meanwhile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz was bullied to death by the state for sharing academic papers which were at least in part, if not largely, paid for by tax dollars.
- marcosdumay 2mo ago> which were at least in part, if not largely, paid for by tax dollars They were all in the public domain too.
- dofm 2mo ago"You need to understand that Sam can never be trusted ... He is a sociopath. He would do anything."
- davidpapermill 2mo agoI'm afraid law and morality are two separate concepts. You make a good point.