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NotebookLM is now Gemini Notebook
- LurkandComment 3mo agoNext step, monitize every pixel, result and second into adveristing placement
- freedomben 3mo agoI wondered when the name change was coming as NotebookLM felt a bit out of place brand-wise. Still would have been killer if they called it "Bard Notebook"
- forkerenok 3mo agoI wondered when the name change was coming because this is Google: products be endlessly repackaged and renamed, some only to be killed later.
- mattkevan 3mo agoI reckon the same dipshits responsible for Microsoft’s product naming in the early 2000s all moved on to Google to wreak the same havoc there.
- jkkola 3mo agoLooking at the recent decades-old-brand renaming bonanza with MS Office I'm pretty sure they're still in Redmond.
- tanseydavid 3mo agoGot burned by this when I was wanting to uninstall MS Office from my laptop recently. Filtering with string "office" turned up nothing in the list of installed programs but it was clear that "MS Office Click-to-Run SxS" was regularly grinding away chewing lots of CPU. So I was not crazy -- Office was installed. The names of the "installed program" for MS Office is now Microsoft 365. Brilliant value add on that one </sarc>
- kalleboo 3mo ago> The names of the "installed program" for MS Office is now Microsoft 365 It's now been renamed "Microsoft 365 Copilot". Not joking.
- tapoxi 3mo agoTheir current product naming is still terrible.They went from the Xbox, to the Xbox 360, the Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S, and Xbox Series X. The latest console is the Asus ROG Xbox Ally X
- eterm 3mo agoI thought that was satire but I've googled it and you're not even joking.
- neves 3mo agoNow search for Microsoft corporation family if products called Copilot
- TitaRusell 3mo agoAnd I bet marketeers got paid a lot of money to come up with those.
- ramses0 3mo agoMitch Hedberg... "I want to get a job at the Kitchen Appliance Naming Institute: Refrigerator, Toaster, Blender.. you just say say what it does, then you add '-er' What's this thing do? It keeps shit fresh. Well that's a fresher. I'm goin on break." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lwpS5M7hgA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lwpS5M7hgA
- ramses0 3mo ago...and the Ally ISN'T EVEN AN XBOX!!!! """AI Overview: No, the Asus ROG Ally is not actually an Xbox. It is a handheld Windows computer made by Asus, even though it features Xbox branding and uses an Xbox-style controller layout"""
- nevster 3mo ago"This post is an XBOX"
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- iamacyborg 3mo agoNo, no, they’ve all moved over to Salesforce.
- dotancohen 3mo ago> products be endlessly repackaged I don't speak English at home either, so I hope this helps. It's "products are", not "products be".
- pmarreck 3mo agoi’m thinking it’s an intentional turn of phrase so for example in native English, if someone upset some people, you might say, just to be creatively different: “oh boy. people be big mad” it is an idiom, not necessarily officially part of the language. just saying things in a silly way to be different “now you’ve done it… People be cryin’!” I think it might also be an echo of pidgin English/Creole/caribbean English? Would be an interesting language dive. Ask an AI!
- satvikpendem 3mo agoIt's ebonics, a slang or dialect version of using "are."
- frollogaston 3mo agoAnd it's more like "are being" here (present imperfect)
- sheept 3mo agoLinguistically it's particularly interesting since it marks the habitual aspect, and standard English has no grammatical equivalent.[0] [0]: https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/invariant-be#who-says-this https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/invariant-be#who-says-this
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- dotancohen 3mo agoEbonics, from the root ebony, meaning black-speak? I can't believe that's still acceptable.
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- conception 3mo agoI’ve noticed a lot of big corporations doing this and I think the reasoning behind it is it’s really easy to say you shipped a product on your résumé. If all you did was change the name of it. It actually takes a lot of work and time to ship a new innovative product.
- wodenokoto 3mo agoopenAI just renamed codex to ChatGPT app … I think it is just par for the game.
- stabbles 3mo agoBanana Paper was on the shortlist
- nicce 3mo agoBard was a great name.
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- navigate8310 3mo agoNorebookLM sounded a little scholastic
- abirch 3mo agoAre there other tools out there like NotebookLM? Not a replacement but some cool AI tools that help people learn.
- petra 3mo agoOr maybe just a way to use chatgpt/Claude with files , and get accurate references to the page/paragraph in the source?
- hek2sch 3mo agoIt's cumbersome to have llm duplicate all quotes and still get good response. Else you get no visibility into your sources.
- jeromegv 3mo agoClaude/ChatGPT still end up making things up when they can't find anything, notebook is much better to 99% reply based on quotes. But yes a backup is to use Claude and grep, but not quite the same.
- hek2sch 3mo agoBest closest I stumble on is nouswise. Lets you contain an agent with even more sources and generate almost all outputs.
- drusepth 3mo agoVery, very, very excited to hopefully stop getting support emails at Notebook.ai for people trying to get help with NotebookLM. Gemini Notebook is a way better name for the masses.
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- iAMkenough 3mo agoIn my experience (since Notebook is still in the name), you're going to get the same emails as before, now with additional people confused about the change and what it means for them.
- staticman2 3mo agoThey probably changed the name because they've been integrating it with the Gemini web page where it now appears on the left above recent chats.
- batuhandumani 3mo agoIn a few years, https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/
- mococa 3mo agoYears? :-)
- minraws 3mo agoGuys google, I know enough people in the company to know how this decision was made, but I must say as a user if you rename or kill another thing I will stop using any Google service I still use. This might be the one time I might forgive it but guys please don't it's annoying.
- frollogaston 3mo agoThey've been doing this kind of thing for at least 15 years
- minraws 3mo agoThis is the first time it has happened to a tool I use and have helped friends adopt it. Again I don't condone it but this gets very annoying to explain that everything is renamed now to X instead of Y to your uncles and friends...
- johanyc 3mo agoYou have an 100% chance joining r/degoogled then lol
- blfr 3mo agoI admonish Gemini and demand explanation nearly every day of how it's possible that Google invented the thing, has the best infrastructure for inference, and somehow falls behind Anthropic and even OpenAI. NotebookLM is pretty cool since it can hold a ton of context but this is so far below my (and frankly just reasonable) expectations of Google. I downgraded my Gemini subscription and got Claude. Still can't believe how much better it is. Fable is way better, that's a given. But Claude even has a real .deb repo. Something Antigravity had and managed to lose.
- copperx 3mo agoYeah, it grinds my gears. They could probably have lightning speed inference and the best model if they were interested in doing so.
- dwa3592 3mo agoAntigravity sucks so bad that I have started to feel that google really doesn't wanna compete, they just wanna hang in there at number 2 or 3, to just annoy the number 1 and 2.
- SwellJoe 3mo agoFor coding, I don't think they're even number 3, anymore. Seems more like 4th or 5th (unbelievably, even Mecha Hitler seems to do better, though I'm hopeful Gemini 3.5 Pro will turn things around).
- lern_too_spel 3mo agoI tried Antigravity recently with Flash 3.5, and it got stuck in a loop saying the same sentence over and over. I haven't seen this pathological behavior from other LLMs in months.
- ceroxylon 3mo agoFable in Cowork can get stuck in loops, I've had a single prompt use 83% of a session quota on a single prompt before I realized something was amiss. Its explanation: "the wasted tokens came from re-rendering the document to verify layout after a page-orientation bug."
- baggachipz 3mo agoIf it's named "Gemini", does that mean it's going to get shoved in your face on every single google-related page/product?
- SecretDreams 3mo agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxYUizQrAg8&t=4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxYUizQrAg8&t=4s
- aanet 3mo agoI fear the upcoming changes... It ALWAYS starts with a name change, then more useless features, more ensh*ttification, then users flee, then the product is killed. Google: - Hangout - Chat - Meets - Duo - ...
- electriclove 3mo agoAllo?
- frollogaston 3mo agoAllo, Google Talk, Hangouts Chat (not the same as Hangouts), "Meet (original)", idk maybe some other thing called Google Chat that isn't the new Google Chat, uhh my Android phone has 2 "Messages" apps so one of them is probably deprecated?
- sunaookami 3mo agoGood article from 2021: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-...
- tanseydavid 3mo agoWow that very long series of pivots in the same messaging space is eye-opening and disheartening. It is hard to believe. Thank you for sharing that.
- frollogaston 3mo ago2021 was around the peak of this nonsense. Since then they've tried to clean it up. Well also have been whining about iMessage. I did use Google Talk at some point back in the day, when I was heavily involved in XMPP-related development and therefore interested in using it too.
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- dubcrab 3mo agoNotebookLM is genuinely useful for structured research workflows. My concern is not the name. It's whether the "notebook" metaphor survives the rebrand.
- soupspaces 3mo agoGive me a recipe for custard pie
- NoImmatureAdHom 3mo agoI'd like to have audio overviews of scientific papers, so I can "read" them while I drive. NotebookLM/Gemini Notebook sorta does this, but the two-person podcast format is kind of annoying and it can't pronounce math. Is there something out there that will do this? I'm sure the right harness around frontier models would make it work.
- mistrial9 3mo agorandom idea -- driving while you drive?
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- NoImmatureAdHom 3mo ago1) you aren't able to listen to something safely while driving on the highway? 2) the cars pretty much drive themselves on the highway these days
- larrywright 3mo agoReadwise does this pretty well.
- hek2sch 3mo agoHow would the right format for you look like? Specially be monologue?
- NoImmatureAdHom 3mo agoIt could be monologue or dialogue, but it should be less full of verbal "syntactic sugar" than NotebookLM podcasts. More to the point, more detail-oriented, can pronounce math. Can pronounce math is the real showstopper for me. Last time I tried, NotebookLM would try to say the TeX out loud. Like underscore dollarsign...
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- SwellJoe 3mo agoBecause naming every product "Copilot" is going so well for Microsoft, I guess?
- operatingthetan 3mo agoBut they renamed Gemini CLI to Antigravity CLI. And it's worse.
- frollogaston 3mo agoIt's not just a rename, they broke the old one.
- VectorLock 3mo agoNot even just broke, they completely disabled people's ability to use it. Took it out behind the woodshed.
- SwellJoe 3mo agoThat's not a rename, though, Antigravity is a new product. Google is kinda famous for killing a product and replacing it with a worse one, though, so not very surprising.
- operatingthetan 3mo agoI should have said replace.
- simonw 3mo agoI was never sure what the "LM" stood for, so this makes sense to me.
- BrokenCogs 3mo agoLanguage model? Large model? Learning machine?
- annjose 3mo agoApparently it is Language Model, as mentioned in the announcement of NotebookLM in 2023 [0]. > Today we’re beginning to roll out Project Tailwind with its new name: NotebookLM, an experimental offering from Google Labs. It’s our endeavor to reimagine what notetaking software might look like if you designed it from scratch knowing that you would have a powerful language model at its core: hence the LM. It's funny how similar that article's intro is to today's announcement. [0] https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/ai/notebooklm-google-ai/ https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/ai/notebook...
- lvl155 3mo agoCompany run by consultants and MBAs.
- NguyenDat377 3mo agoI feel like the name reflect the product more. I have been using NotebookLM for studying and really like it. I wonder if with this name change, would there be a major change in Gemini Notebook ?
- hek2sch 3mo agoThe backend has changed people experience more hallucinations. You can see their subs.
- rhipitr 3mo agoAny people with insight on why this happens? From my corporate experience this generally happens when two teams are working on a similar thing, they complain about turf to leadership, and leadership either makes them consolidate efforts or chooses a winner. Is that what happens at Google a lot? Or do they just constantly tweak things to the point they cease to live or be used?
- agloe_dreams 3mo agoI've always attributed this sort of thing to companies outgrowing any form of manageable structure. At a scale like google, each team gets so distant from various parts of other parts of the company and the management structure gets so deep that the whole thing kinda becomes a zombie. Each part is kinda stuck in its own myopic view of the world with no oversight. Like, if you had an org where the only thing you made was AI tools, you would probably have common branding and the CEO would spend real time trying to get the naming right, but Sundar probably forgets they even made Notebook LM. Eventually, if something makes news or when they try to trim offerings, suddenly the company can focus on it and then does course corrections. Something of note is that this is now the third name for this product, the first name was impressively bad and so myopic that it feels kinda hilarious. They wanted to call it Tailwind. Like the #1 CSS framework on earth.
- frollogaston 3mo agoSundar did know about all the chat apps though. It's one thing to have internally competing things, but that shouldn't be exposed to end users. I never had a lot of confidence in his leadership either, seemed like autopilot.
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- frollogaston 3mo agoGoogle seems to have competing orgs especially when something becomes a company-wide priority. Before it was chat apps, now it's AI. Idk if it's intentional, but it did seem that way with Jetski vs Gemini CLI, where they decided Jetski was better and nixed the other. Also ChromeOS vs Android.
- d4rkp4ttern 3mo agoWhen notebookLM was new, it was interesting to listen to the podcasts. Then the novelty wore off, and I wanted something where I can interact with the podcasters but it was janky as hell. My current “audio-learning” hack is ChatGPT Live which has become shockingly good after being awful compared to Claude Voice (Let’s not even talk about Gemini voice which is still bad). I go on a walk and dump a paper or article link in the chat, and ask chatGPT Live to walk me through the content in small nuggets, so I can discuss them interactively. For deeper topics I have it quiz me Socratic style so I’m not just passively listening, and actually thinking through problems or ideas.
- citiguy 3mo agoOh wow, this is a great idea. Can I ask what your prompt looks like?
- d4rkp4ttern 3mo agoMe: Ok so I'm going on a walk. I'll dump a link to a Hacker News discussion about an article. You have to read the article and the discussion and walk me thru all the interesting details, nugget by nugget, and move on when I'm ready for the next piece. ChatGPT Live: ok, Great show me the link, I'm waiting. (I paste the link) Me: Ok I pasted it. Now go. ==== For the Socratic quiz I say: I want to understand this more deeply. So instead of you just telling me everything, lay out the problem and a question for me to think about, and I'll try to answer. Even if I answer wrong, you should resist giving me the answer, and instead keep digging with more questions, so that I eventually arrive at the answer myself. I also have a Socratic quiz skill that I wrote for using in Claude Code or Codex to understand implementations/architecture etc: https://pchalasani.github.io/claude-code-tools/plugins-detail/workflow/#socratic-quiz https://pchalasani.github.io/claude-code-tools/plugins-detai...
- singhkays 3mo agothanks for sharing! saving this to refer back to this
- audioh4cker 3mo agoNot a big deal to be honest. Still works just as great.
- realsarm 3mo agoTechnically not https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1ss53l5/hallucinations/ https://www.reddit.com/r/notebooklm/comments/1ss53l5/halluci... There's a lot of these in their sub.
- dizhn 3mo agoWhy? tho
- brgsk 3mo agobig news
- outlore 3mo agoSure it’s not “Gemini AI Pro Max Duo Notebooks for Workspace Personal”? /s
- yuvadam 3mo agoIncredible how I have not touched a singled AI thing from google for.. probably well over a year at this point. Amazing.
- UncleOxidant 3mo agoMy problem with NotebookLM was that you had to give it URLs or docs, you couldn't just have it search for docs and then incorporate them into your research.
- neves 3mo agoSearch for references and ask me if they stop l should be added to my notebook. Maybe Google can do some search
- satwikhebbar 3mo agoI used it a couple of days back and they did have a search integration to pull in references. You may want to try this again.
- UncleOxidant 3mo agoOh, good. They did add a search capability. It was kind of odd how before NotebookLM wasn't well integrated with Google search at all.
- alvah 3mo agoThey added search & deep research ages ago.
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- Alien1Being 3mo agoI used it to listen to a high level walkthrough of interesting and entertaining code while driving to work. Of course I then read the source myself afterwards. So far I have used it for the Plan 9 C code for ed and for the C source for Karpathy's toy llm. I plan to use it later today for the ed source from Unix Ver 1 in the original PDP 7 assembly code. Hearing it talk about Ken Thompson's bit stealing trick was enlightening. Since I am not a C programmer, getting a bird's eye view first is useful.
- nunez 3mo agoMuch better name for this well-designed product. I do wish they made it easier to pull in emails. For the one notebook I needed to make, I had to use gyb and mhonarc to retrieve the emails (from GMail), convert them to text and split them in a way that the Notebook would accept.
- cadamsdotcom 3mo agoNotebookLM got moved one step closer to the abattoir.
- tap-snap-or-nap 3mo agoDeathNotebook LM goes to Google Graveyard
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- m4rtink 3mo agoSo now they renamed it to Gemini, it means Google will shut it down soon, right ?
- mistakevin 3mo agoI've been working on https://notebooker.ai https://notebooker.ai if anyone is interested in giving some feedback. I tried to post a Show HN yesterday with details about how I built it, but was auto-flagged and not sure what rules I broke. Everything that I've built on top of open-notebook, like the plugin system for your own "creators" (aka, podcasts, infographics, etc) is at https://github.com/Notebooker-ai https://github.com/Notebooker-ai plus a Cloudflare Worker AI deployer to play with different models. Been working on it for about six months.
- vismit2000 3mo agoHi. Most likely you would have been flagged because of login / sign up requirement to try it out which is generally not received very well on HN.
- mkl 3mo agoThe rules are here (linked at the top of the Show HN page): https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html I agree it's likely the sign-up barrier, but also the button says "Open the web app" and then it doesn't open the web app. You can email the mods for advice/info on this sort of thing (Contact link at the bottom).
- mistakevin 3mo agoDoes "Open the web app" not just redirect you to https://app.notebooker.ai https://app.notebooker.ai?
- anon0834 3mo agoNo, it redirects to a sign up / login page.
- 0xbadcafebee 3mo agoThis Gemini Notebook is apparently different than Notebooks in Gemini (which did not work well as of a few days ago). (https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16972047?sjid=14524638219200432451-NA https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16972047?sjid=14524...)
- gregjw 3mo agomakes sense!
- SamPentz 3mo agonotebookLM is one of the most useful applications on this planet
- SunlightEdge 3mo agoDoes anyone know when notebook llm will be able to accept all file types? I've got round it for understanding small repos by copying and pasting in the files as text. But not possible for big repos
- wonderfuly 3mo agoWhat file type do you need?
- SunlightEdge 3mo agopython (.py) JavaScript are main but ideally all file types so I can just drop a folder into the notebook and Gemini can go explore.
- walthamstow 3mo agoI think you want Gemini (or any) CLI coding agent for that. Notebook is a consumer web product for documents, it's not made for code repos.
- stiltzkin 3mo ago[dead]
- neves 3mo agoI reality like notebook LM. MT enterprise Microsoft copilot also has a notebook, similar to Google. How do you compare different notebooks. Which is the better one?
- toephu2 3mo agoWhile all the other AI labs are releasing new models weekly or monthly...we have Google here busy renaming their AI products (NotebookLM -> Gemini Notebook, and Gemini CLI -> Antigravity CLI)
- getravi 3mo agoSurely it will be called Antigravity Notebook in a few months.
- aizk 3mo agoWho cares they're gonna discontinue it 6 months from now anyway.
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- jillesvangurp 3mo agoIt seems Google is repeating it's mistakes of chat apps (they had gazillions of those at some point) with AI. There are just way too many tools that they are pushing. And none of them address the glaring issue that most of their users end up using Codex or Claude Cowork instead. Google is failing hard at convincing their own users that they are as good. They seem to have a lot of fragmented efforts that don't really add up to good enough.
- stingraycharles 3mo ago“It seems Google is repeating its mistakes of chat apps (they had gazillions of those at some point) with AI.” It’s just a product of how Google is organized, it’s very distributed with less top down product management than other organizations. It’s interesting that they still haven’t seen reason enough to fix this, I can only assume it works well for them in other ways. “Google is failing hard at convincing their own users that they are as good.” It’s interesting as they very quickly caught up after their own “code red” a few years back, and ever since seem to be going full Google and fragmenting themselves into irrelevance. They do have their tensor processors, though, so they have a huge advantage there.
- TheJoYo 3mo agoI wish the PDF support was better. I want to see the source of the generated summary 90% of the time and that's not happening with PDFs.
- theantelope 3mo agoI'm still annoyed the UX hasn't improved since launch. Its so much work to go and make yourself a podcast every day. This is why I built the ClawCast to ingest my newsletters, substacks, new sources etc. and send a podcast to my apple podcasts every morning. If you want to check it out, feel free to give it a try at www.theclawcast.com