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If I want a philosophy degree then it's my God-given right to pay $240,000 plus interest for it. Maybe it shouldn't be subsidized, though.

andai 3mo ago
Well, the way things are going, maybe it should be way more subsidized... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48818544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48818544 https://archive.ph/94e7p https://archive.ph/94e7p
- imtringued 3mo ago
  I personally think it is a perversion of the idea of philosophy to think that you can buy a better philosophy education by paying a higher tuition.
  - cudgy 3mo ago
    Perhaps it is a perversion of logic to think that someone who has not been trained yet as a philosopher would think like a philosopher.
    - confidantlake 3mo ago
      Who trained the first philosopher?
      - defrost 3mo ago
        Sorites was the first of a heap more.
chihuahua 3mo ago
Right. And also, when you have paid $240k for that degree, don't write endless screeds complaining that the degree was a "scam" and that it's someone else's fault that you're not earning much with that degree. Even in the 00s and 10s, there used to be people complaining bitterly that they have a lot of student loans after getting a degree in puppetry (seriously.) And the same people would have lit themselves on fire in a public square if they had been denied student loans for getting a puppetry degree. I feel that you can't have it both ways: guaranteed student loans for any degree, no matter how impractical, and also complaining that some degrees funded with student loans don't lead to a lucrative career. Choose one or the other.
IsTom 3mo ago
Is this like, a real sum of money americans pay for a degree? Overhead must be mind-boggiling if like just two students are needed to pay educator's salary for the period.
- pinkmuffinere 3mo ago
  That is very much a real sum of money people pay. The UC system is (I believe) 30k per year tuition if you’re in state. Add rent and you’re probably looking at 45k per year. Out of state is higher. And many systems are more expensive as well
  - linkregister 3mo ago
    The UC system is an outlier in both price and quality for public education in the United States. The California State system, which costs $7-9 thousand per year, is far more representative.
    - senordevnyc 3mo ago
      The UC system has about 300k students, CSU has about 475k. So more representative, yes, but I wouldn’t say far more so.
      - linkregister 3mo ago
        Truly torturing the data to index on student body size as the relevant metric
        pinkmuffinere 3mo ago
        The discussion is about what the average person pays.... surely student body size _is_ the relevant metric? What else would you propose?
        linkregister 3mo ago

andai 3mo ago

Well, the way things are going, maybe it should be way more subsidized... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48818544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48818544 https://archive.ph/94e7p https://archive.ph/94e7p

imtringued 3mo ago
I personally think it is a perversion of the idea of philosophy to think that you can buy a better philosophy education by paying a higher tuition.
- cudgy 3mo ago
  Perhaps it is a perversion of logic to think that someone who has not been trained yet as a philosopher would think like a philosopher.
  - confidantlake 3mo ago
    Who trained the first philosopher?
    - defrost 3mo ago
      Sorites was the first of a heap more.

chihuahua 3mo ago

Right. And also, when you have paid $240k for that degree, don't write endless screeds complaining that the degree was a "scam" and that it's someone else's fault that you're not earning much with that degree. Even in the 00s and 10s, there used to be people complaining bitterly that they have a lot of student loans after getting a degree in puppetry (seriously.) And the same people would have lit themselves on fire in a public square if they had been denied student loans for getting a puppetry degree. I feel that you can't have it both ways: guaranteed student loans for any degree, no matter how impractical, and also complaining that some degrees funded with student loans don't lead to a lucrative career. Choose one or the other.

IsTom 3mo ago

Is this like, a real sum of money americans pay for a degree? Overhead must be mind-boggiling if like just two students are needed to pay educator's salary for the period.

pinkmuffinere 3mo ago
That is very much a real sum of money people pay. The UC system is (I believe) 30k per year tuition if you’re in state. Add rent and you’re probably looking at 45k per year. Out of state is higher. And many systems are more expensive as well
- linkregister 3mo ago
  The UC system is an outlier in both price and quality for public education in the United States. The California State system, which costs $7-9 thousand per year, is far more representative.
  - senordevnyc 3mo ago
    The UC system has about 300k students, CSU has about 475k. So more representative, yes, but I wouldn’t say far more so.
    - linkregister 3mo ago
      Truly torturing the data to index on student body size as the relevant metric
      - pinkmuffinere 3mo ago
        The discussion is about what the average person pays.... surely student body size _is_ the relevant metric? What else would you propose?
        linkregister 3mo ago