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All drugs should be legal, full stop. And I should be able to get medical drugs on my own, without a permission slip from a doctor I have to convince. Drug pro

by nekusar 4mo ago

All drugs should be legal, full stop. And I should be able to get medical drugs on my own, without a permission slip from a doctor I have to convince. Drug prohibition has caused magnitudes more harm than decriminalization and legalization. And part of this article is about claims from what is likely inert or mild effect at best. Remember, we used to have amphetamines, pseudoephedrine, and much more potent drugs to alleviate colds and such. But because of the forever-drug-war , we're stuck with substandard crap, and everything good gatekept by doctors.

antonkochubey 4mo ago
Are you sure you have read the article, not just its title?
- nekusar 4mo ago
  Yes, and the question lends itself to control (or lack of) by relevant medical "authorities". I honestly do not trust somebody with a doctor license who I talked to for 7 minutes out of 259200 minutes (6 months). For example, when I went on a camping trip, I got bit by 15 ticks. After I got back, went to doc for 15 day doxycyclene, gold standard. And its cheap, like $15. NOPE, fucker wanted the ticks in a bag to grind up and waste a $400 Lyme test. And that test is only 60% accurate, tons of false negatives. If I could have, I would have bought doxy, scaled it to my weight, and did the 15 day run. But nope. I ended up getting the second recommended, amoxicilian as "fish antibiotics".
  - bigfishrunning 4mo ago
    One of the reasons doxycyclene is so effective is because it's less overprescribed. Antibiotic resistance is a real thing, and the day we run out of viable ones is going to be ugly. Having a gatekeeper isn't a bad idea.
    - Sohcahtoa82 4mo ago
      To add to this, despite all efforts to educate people, many STILL don't know that antibiotics don't work against viruses and will want one when dealing with a cold or other viral infection. If we let antibiotics be over-the-counter, every damn infectious bacteria will be a super-strain in a year.
      - nekusar 4mo ago
        Antibiotics are routinely given to all of their farm animals as part of their food, for prophylaxis. But allowing humans to buy when they're sick is somehow the super-strain-end-of-times?? Antibiotics stop bacteria. Antivirals stop viruses. Except bacteria can be attacked whenever, the sooner the better. Antivirals need a rapid and early timeframe to work. Getting a fucking doctor to say yes is almost always too long, and you missed your treatment window. That is unless you go the ER, and lucky to not get shoved aside. Then pay $$$$$
        Melatonic 4mo ago
        Those are two separate issues and we obviously should not be just giving feedstock and animals antibiotics constantly. That's no good for anyone. Maybe the better solution is that the government should be paying for the Lyme test as a public health measure. Knowing which areas it is spreading too is extremely important. And on the flip side I know someone whose father got Lyme but didn't know it for years - he was not very symptomatic at first and ended up with major nerve damage. Not one to mess around with
        bigfishrunning 4mo ago
        > Antibiotics are routinely given to all of their farm animals as part of their food, for prophylaxis. That's also a problem [0]; and it's one that can't be solved by creating a second, somewhat related problem. 0: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11200672/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11200672/
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- stickfigure 4mo ago
  When an article has a misleading clickbait title, I think it's fair game to redirect the conversation to the subject of the title.
robertpateii 4mo ago
Read the article. It doesn’t even ask if dextromethorphan and phenylephrine should be illegal. It asks if intentionally misleading consumers about their efficacy should be.
CommieBobDole 4mo ago
The article is not about "should people be allowed to buy this product because it's potentially dangerous/addictive/etc" but "Should the company be allowed to sell this product because it consists of acetaminophen plus two useless ingredients and is basically a scam".
techbro92 4mo ago
What is the argument for legalizing drugs that are contraindicated for all medical purposes, are toxic, and have a high addictive potential? How does it benefit me or society if my neighbor is permitted to choose to basically roll the dice on afflicting themselves with a debilitating chronic illness (severe addiction)? If I don’t want to do illegal drugs why would I ant to support this?
- tyami94 4mo ago
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- yomismoaqui 4mo ago
  - People that want to do drugs already can buy them, with worse quality and the with the side-effect of funding crime at a planetary scale. - Alcohol, tobacco & weed are already legal... why them and no other drugs? Check how many deaths do alcohol & tobacco provoke. - Taxes, lots of taxes, literal mountains of money... a small percentage of which can be redirected to treating addicts.
- the_sleaze_ 4mo ago
  I went to a southeast asian country and got a staph infection. I walked down to the pharmacy, asked the pharmastst for a topical and an oral antibiotic. 3 days later i was healed, continued the course the rest of the week and that was it. $12 dollars american. I got another staph infection previously in the united states. Needed to go to a doc in the box who misdiagnosed it. A few days went by and i needed to go to another doc in the box who gave me topical and trued to give me a steroid shot. Needless to say it progressed and turned into fullblown MRSA which required admitance and a IV antibiotic. Extremely painful. I don't have the ability to add the costs but north of $10k easily. That's why drugs should be legalized.
  - ikesau 4mo ago
    I'm sorry that happened to you. Sincerely. That sounds incredibly frustrating, painful, and scary. I think your maximalist conclusion of "drugs should be legalized" might have some second-order effects that might be net worse for society, though. Addiction, misuse, MRSA, overdoses, etc.
rustcleaner 4mo ago
Agree with you. It is a collateral consequence of the War on Drugs™ that everything good and effective is getting locked behind a $50-$200 doctor's visit for a 'scrip. This scam medicine problem could be helped if a bunch of substances were moved out of Rx and back to OTC. The nanny state will continue to grow to meet people's definitions on how much others should be warded.

by nekusar 4mo ago

antonkochubey 4mo ago

Are you sure you have read the article, not just its title?

nekusar 4mo ago
Yes, and the question lends itself to control (or lack of) by relevant medical "authorities". I honestly do not trust somebody with a doctor license who I talked to for 7 minutes out of 259200 minutes (6 months). For example, when I went on a camping trip, I got bit by 15 ticks. After I got back, went to doc for 15 day doxycyclene, gold standard. And its cheap, like $15. NOPE, fucker wanted the ticks in a bag to grind up and waste a $400 Lyme test. And that test is only 60% accurate, tons of false negatives. If I could have, I would have bought doxy, scaled it to my weight, and did the 15 day run. But nope. I ended up getting the second recommended, amoxicilian as "fish antibiotics".
- bigfishrunning 4mo ago
  One of the reasons doxycyclene is so effective is because it's less overprescribed. Antibiotic resistance is a real thing, and the day we run out of viable ones is going to be ugly. Having a gatekeeper isn't a bad idea.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4mo ago
    To add to this, despite all efforts to educate people, many STILL don't know that antibiotics don't work against viruses and will want one when dealing with a cold or other viral infection. If we let antibiotics be over-the-counter, every damn infectious bacteria will be a super-strain in a year.
    - nekusar 4mo ago
      Antibiotics are routinely given to all of their farm animals as part of their food, for prophylaxis. But allowing humans to buy when they're sick is somehow the super-strain-end-of-times?? Antibiotics stop bacteria. Antivirals stop viruses. Except bacteria can be attacked whenever, the sooner the better. Antivirals need a rapid and early timeframe to work. Getting a fucking doctor to say yes is almost always too long, and you missed your treatment window. That is unless you go the ER, and lucky to not get shoved aside. Then pay $$$$$
      - Melatonic 4mo ago
        Those are two separate issues and we obviously should not be just giving feedstock and animals antibiotics constantly. That's no good for anyone. Maybe the better solution is that the government should be paying for the Lyme test as a public health measure. Knowing which areas it is spreading too is extremely important. And on the flip side I know someone whose father got Lyme but didn't know it for years - he was not very symptomatic at first and ended up with major nerve damage. Not one to mess around with
      - bigfishrunning 4mo ago
        > Antibiotics are routinely given to all of their farm animals as part of their food, for prophylaxis. That's also a problem [0]; and it's one that can't be solved by creating a second, somewhat related problem. 0: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11200672/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11200672/
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stickfigure 4mo ago
When an article has a misleading clickbait title, I think it's fair game to redirect the conversation to the subject of the title.

robertpateii 4mo ago

Read the article. It doesn’t even ask if dextromethorphan and phenylephrine should be illegal. It asks if intentionally misleading consumers about their efficacy should be.

CommieBobDole 4mo ago

The article is not about "should people be allowed to buy this product because it's potentially dangerous/addictive/etc" but "Should the company be allowed to sell this product because it consists of acetaminophen plus two useless ingredients and is basically a scam".

techbro92 4mo ago

What is the argument for legalizing drugs that are contraindicated for all medical purposes, are toxic, and have a high addictive potential? How does it benefit me or society if my neighbor is permitted to choose to basically roll the dice on afflicting themselves with a debilitating chronic illness (severe addiction)? If I don’t want to do illegal drugs why would I ant to support this?

tyami94 4mo ago
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yomismoaqui 4mo ago
- People that want to do drugs already can buy them, with worse quality and the with the side-effect of funding crime at a planetary scale. - Alcohol, tobacco & weed are already legal... why them and no other drugs? Check how many deaths do alcohol & tobacco provoke. - Taxes, lots of taxes, literal mountains of money... a small percentage of which can be redirected to treating addicts.
the_sleaze_ 4mo ago
I went to a southeast asian country and got a staph infection. I walked down to the pharmacy, asked the pharmastst for a topical and an oral antibiotic. 3 days later i was healed, continued the course the rest of the week and that was it. $12 dollars american. I got another staph infection previously in the united states. Needed to go to a doc in the box who misdiagnosed it. A few days went by and i needed to go to another doc in the box who gave me topical and trued to give me a steroid shot. Needless to say it progressed and turned into fullblown MRSA which required admitance and a IV antibiotic. Extremely painful. I don't have the ability to add the costs but north of $10k easily. That's why drugs should be legalized.
- ikesau 4mo ago
  I'm sorry that happened to you. Sincerely. That sounds incredibly frustrating, painful, and scary. I think your maximalist conclusion of "drugs should be legalized" might have some second-order effects that might be net worse for society, though. Addiction, misuse, MRSA, overdoses, etc.

rustcleaner 4mo ago

Agree with you. It is a collateral consequence of the War on Drugs™ that everything good and effective is getting locked behind a $50-$200 doctor's visit for a 'scrip. This scam medicine problem could be helped if a bunch of substances were moved out of Rx and back to OTC. The nanny state will continue to grow to meet people's definitions on how much others should be warded.