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I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, i
by fodmap 3mo ago
I do agree blocking Palantir is a good move but the Spanish government is doing it for the wrong reason. Spain is storing all sort of data on Chinese servers, including their Intelligence, and Judicial wiretaps.
https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judicial-wiretaps/ https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-huawei-contract-judici...
- croes 3mo agoIf the data is encrypted before the upload I see no problem
- petcat 3mo agoHuawei is the complete data custodian. They are the ones doing the encrypting.
- sbayg 3mo agoMaybe Spain has people on the inside (of Huawei.)
- RetroTechie 3mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_now,_decrypt_later https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_now,_decrypt_later
- tonyhart7 3mo ago[flagged]
- mdni007 3mo agoAs opposed to what? American servers with Isreali backdoors?
- petcat 3mo agoHow about Spanish servers? I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.
- gregorygoc 3mo ago[flagged]
- saghm 3mo agoI don't have any insight into what to call it right now, but I thought for several decades after WWII it was still fascist? If anything being a banana republic might not be as as bad as what it used to be
- natebc 3mo agoi knew it was a little while after WWII (college history was long, long ago!) but didn't realize it was ... 1975-1977!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac...
- saghm 3mo agoI did a whole Wikipedia deep dive on this several months ago. I vaguely remembered hearing how long it took for it to switch back, but the history around it is kind of fascinating; the son of the previous king was groomed to be the successor of Francisco Franco, and I guess he did a good enough job convincing him that he was ideologically in agreement so that the power was passed to him, which he then used to reinstate a republican form of government.
- throw-the-towel 3mo agoHell, how can you be a banana republic when you're not even a republic? (Sorry for the pun, I'll see myself out.)
- athrowaway3z 3mo agoThat is rather disturbing but this had me lol: > Spain is “making a big mistake,” said Bart Groothuis [...] “Spain is now dependent on the country with the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program directed against us.” I highly doubt he's naive enough to believe the "against us" qualifier exempts the operator of the largest and most sophisticated offensive espionage program ever.
- 8note 3mo agoespionage is a lot less bad than conquering by force. the US properly fucked up by very publicly declaring intent to conquer greenland and canada
- sequoia 3mo ago[flagged]
- gazebo2 3mo agoI think in general people are a bit distrusting of a tech firm headed by billionaires with deep political ties that sells AI driven surveillance state technology to governments
- dzhiurgis 3mo agoWhom should we buy surveillance software from then? Vegan art society? It's like saying we shouldn't buy guns from gun makers and tickle our enemies with rose petals instead. Feels like Kremlin bots are having a field day here.
- gazebo2 3mo agoYou caught me, I was too on the nose using the classic Russian disinformation tactic of saying mass surveillance is bad
- dgellow 3mo ago> I can't figure out what the specific objection to Palantir is. You have to be trolling, a single online search tells you how the company CEO is the textbook definition of technofascism. Take a look at his manifesto if you don’t know
- cmxch 3mo agoCan’t form a COMINTERN if the US is watching.
- vrganj 3mo agoThe Spanish public overwhelmingly trusts China over the US, so from their perspective, this is not necessarily a bad move. Obviously, the best move would be to keep the data in Europe instead.
- UltraSane 3mo agoIt makes no sense at all to trust either.
- aeve890 3mo ago>Obviously, the best move would be to keep the data in Europe instead. While 80% of Europe is subservient to the US?
- waterTanuki 3mo agoOr just keep it in Spain? It's not exactly a developing nation. Can they simply not build a server and find people willing to take care of it? Ghana can host their own IT infra. Why not Spain?
- chvid 3mo agoThey deliver part of hardware but the data itself is hosted in Spain and operated by the interior ministry.
- wodenokoto 3mo agoRight now you either give it to China or to the US. China is not publicly threatening to invade the EU. I think the EU needs to produce this themselves but right now they don’t and they don’t have any large, trustworthy allies.
- ascotan 3mo agoso.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.
- ifwinterco 3mo agoIt’s not spite it’s just logical - US/Israel are a known bad actor. China is also probably bad, but currently there’s no evidence they’re as bad as US/Israel
- GuestFAUniverse 3mo agoChina is supplying Russia, which is attacking an European country. Thus, from my POV that sentiment is BS. China is an adversary in a panda costume.
- ifwinterco 3mo agoAnd Israel is attacking various countries - okay not in quite in Europe, but pretty close to the southeastern EU member states. So you have one country which is in a very loose alliance with a country that's attacking a country around the periphery of the EU, and another country that's joined at the hip with a country that's attacking another country around the periphery of the EU, just slightly further away. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the US
- pvaldes 3mo agoDon't be fooled. Israel is also attacking countries in Europe They did when being caught messing with elections in Scotland, Europe, for example. Whom Europeans vote are none of the Israel business. And there is a reasonable suspicion that they were sending sex traps for decades to blackmail European elites, left and right. This is not how a real friend behave.
- 8note 3mo agostill not the worst of reasons. would be better to be on spanish servers, but decoupling from american tech remains a public good, especially if using american tech bans american competitors
- gonzalohm 3mo agoSo? And other countries are storing their data in the US, not covered by gdpr
- altmanaltman 3mo agoYou are literally wrong, the data is stored in Spain on their servers and managed by their government. The risk as stated by EU and US is allowing Chineese nationals to *enter* the data storage facilities (direct quote from the article you shared). Yes, it's still bad but they are not as stupid to just have their servers located in China for this.