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We are destroying ecosystems so fast that there will be no frogs and we will regret it. The same with all the nature
by romx-cell 3mo ago
We are destroying ecosystems so fast that there will be no frogs and we will regret it. The same with all the nature
- sevenzero 3mo agoWe get what we deserve. We let the top 1% destroy our planet and also let them live the longest in their bunkers, while we deal with the repercussions of not having done enough. But I've noticed that folks on HN are very very fond of capitalism, so it's no point arguing against it on here and on the effects of wealth accumulation and greed.
- vrganj 3mo agoPeople here strive to be the ones hiding in the bunkers as the world burns.
- bell-cot 3mo agoMost humans would prefer hiding in a bunker to burning. And far better to be hiding, than watching and playing a fiddle from atop some convenient high wall. Or plotting how to destroy your fellow alpha arsonists next.
- someonebaggy 3mo agoIt would be even better if the world didn't burn.
- 1234letshaveatw 3mo agoBan AC!
- ajkjk 3mo agopeople are very fond of it here -> there's no point arguing against it here? Backwards logic. If they're fond of it then they're the people to be arguing against, no?
- sevenzero 3mo agoResource exploitation and destruction of ecosystems are direct results of capitalism and greed and neglect. I stopped bringing up arguments against capitalism on here generally due to the sheer amount of people in privileged circumstances that wouldn't change a thing about their ways. Also doesn't help that people in tech often times have no sense of empathy whatsoever, so its no use to argue about this on here.
- jdross 3mo agoSocialist Russia was an environmental disaster. https://www.gchumanrights.org/preparedness/the-environmental-scenario-in-the-post-soviet-region-reflections-on-challenges-to-justice-and-sustainability/ https://www.gchumanrights.org/preparedness/the-environmental...
- sevenzero 3mo agoYes yes socialism also made mistakes so capitalism must be better!!
- theultdev 3mo agoso if it's socialism/communism destroying the environment it's a mistake. but if it's capitalism it's by design? nothing other than the prosperity that capitalism generates is inherently bad for the environment. yeah if you pull people out of poverty their carbon footprint will probably increase. but the alternative is them living in poverty and starving under a communist system (like always) the amount of goods and services capitalism has generated has saved so many lives. we have huge amounts of excess food we send across the world.
- inglor_cz 3mo agoI lived under both systems. Yeah, socialism was abandoned precisely because capitalism was better. By the 1980s, residents of Central Europe could quite clearly compare and saw that their western neighbours were richer, healthier and enjoyed cleaner air and water than those of the "Camp of Progress". Market economy + democracy beats top-down enforced utopian intellectual projects like a Marxist-Leninist state by a difference of a league. We tried that on our own people so that you don't have to.
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- Leonard_of_Q 3mo agoYeah, sure, capitalism, 1%, etc. Spoken like a 15yo who just saw some DSA- agitprop on TikTok and is now ready to solve the world's problems.
- sevenzero 3mo agoJust proves my point :)
- buellerbueller 3mo agoSolving the world's problems is certainly a more laudable goal than the accumulation of wealth, don't you think?
- inglor_cz 3mo agoCannot judge this before knowing what world's problems is that particular person intending to solve. There are people who fervently believe that the world's problems are caused by something like international Jewry or lack of sufficient religiosity or existence of democracy. I fervently hope that they don't get to succeed in their solutions.
- CuriouslyC 3mo agoThe distribution here is bimodal. There are plenty of Elon-shilling exploit the solar system types, but also plenty of skeptical types who see all the futurism bullshit as a lever to maintain control.
- notact 3mo agoCan you help me understand how alternatives to capitalism, such as central planning, would necessarily be better at preserving the planet?
- someonebaggy 3mo agoThe alternatives to capitalism are a wide spectrum, ranging from totalitarian dictatorship (aka central planning) all the way to free markets with sensible regulations. What they all have in common is not being capitalism, i.e. not putting power solely in the hands of the wealthiest.
- 1234letshaveatw 3mo agoIt's must be so interesting to live regulation free! Where abouts are you from?
- inglor_cz 3mo agoUnregulated capitalism does not exist anywhere on this planet, and the US is in fact quite a bureaucratic country, though less so than many others. "putting power solely in the hands of the wealthiest." Do you think it is? Then let some of the wealthiest try to obtain a permit in downtown SF for a mere block of flats, the likes of which used to be built by the thousands 100 years ago. If it takes less than a decade, I would be surprised. There is a lot of power outside the private sector. Every environmental or political group that sues any project does, in fact, wield a lot of power of the "veto" variety, which used to be prerogative of kings.
- sevenzero 3mo agoRegulators being paid off arent actually regulating things you know? Regulation as it is, is extremely flawed and prone to corruption.
- ericmay 3mo agoSure but this wouldn't be an argument against capitalism, it's an argument for reform of government. If you think that regulation is extremely flawed and prone to corruption, then governmental systems including socialism and communism would be even more flawed since they are by definition more highly regulated.
- Rodmine 3mo agoIt's the bottom 99% who destroy the planet by not killing themselves.
- sevenzero 3mo agoYou can always start the trend
- wonderwonder 3mo agoThe planet is fine friend. The cool thing about the relentless march of technology is that we will eventually fix anything we break along the way. There is no limit to what we can achieve. There is certainly nothing you can do about it so go outside, lie by the pool or the ocean, enjoy life.
- sevenzero 3mo ago>is that we will eventually fix anything we break along the way Thats the most dangerous thought one could have. Simply thinking "its okay because we can fix it later" leads to taking issues lightly and hoping that a fix is eventually discovered in time. We run out of time with climate change for example. There are no fixes.
- wonderwonder 3mo agoThere are no fixes via social engineering or laws. Asia and Africa are coming up, they are not going to sacrifice their econonomies becuase the western world which is already established has some people saying hang on, we've got ours, you need to wait. They are going to be building massive coal plants and burning barrels of oil. So Bob in France not turning on his AC is not going to make any difference. We will fix it later, I'm not worried about it becuase there is nothing to be done about it. Worrying and panicking about it does no one any good. Technology marches forward.
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- bayindirh 3mo ago> In other words, why react in such a dour way to an interesting discovery? Because we're triggering mass extinction events in the name of improving things, that's why.
- Leonard_of_Q 3mo agoAre we, really? Which mass extinction events would those be, and in what way do "we" trigger them in the name of improving things? To me it sounds like you've been exposed to a bit too much agit-prop that the discovery of a potential natural therapeutic (not manipulated, just regular old bacteria) against tumours evokes such a response.
- beepbooptheory 3mo agoCertainly lots could be said here, but first and foremost its more than a little weird to be so fixated on that Greta girl like this.. You should really, like, work on making your point without bringing her up maybe? Maybe try writing two sentences not talking about her and go from there? I am not sure you appreciate how much it takes away from you point... Like, oh no, are you going to say something bad about Al Gore next? I will be devestated... While we are at it: whats with the antiquated parlance? Are we playing DnD right now?
- 1234letshaveatw 3mo agoHe should have sprinkled the word Nazi in a few times to modernize it
- Leonard_of_Q 3mo agoNay, I don't speak TikTok. As to the 'antiquated parlance' I'd say it is what you use when discussing eschatology with religious fanatics.
- slibhb 3mo agoThere will, in fact, continue to be frogs. One theory of where posts like this come from: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2527316123 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2527316123
- MarkusQ 3mo agoYou managed to break out of the trap! Thank you for this; I'd not seen it, but needed to.
- beepbooptheory 3mo agoIf its all just people trying to be different, why is it always the same refrains in the same way?
- zarathustreal 3mo agoBecause “trying” to be different and actually being different are not the same thing
- beepbooptheory 3mo agoBut then isn't this framework unfalsifiable? Where do you draw the line without some kind of associated heuristic? If a sentiment can be reduced to a strive-to-differentiate whether it is actually a "hot take" or not, so to speak, then it just becomes pat dismissal of potentially any arbritrary thing right?
- bcjdjsndon 3mo ago> We are destroying ecosystems so fast Definitely changing, I'm not so sure about destroying. Your house displaced an ecosystem so you could live there but I bet in your ethical system that's fine right? What a surprise
- amanaplanacanal 3mo agoAs they say, "there is no ethical consumption." I've done my part by not having any kids.
- slibhb 3mo agoFollowing this logic, isn't "your part" undone until you commit suicide?
- wonderwonder 3mo agoI could not imagine living with such a self hating attitude. Every day must be torture to wake up to. Why choose to live with this view of the world, I just don't get it. Life is beautiful. Children are incredible. I hope you break out of your self inflicted prison and truly embrace what the universe has given us.
- amanaplanacanal 3mo agoWhat? My life is great! I never wanted to have kids, and neither did my partner. It's ok if you want kids, and it's totally ok if you don't.
- bcjdjsndon 3mo ago> Why choose Probably didnt