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I think all of this hinges on whether or not you think it was a protest. If they had been peacefully sitting outside the facility holding signs, I think you'd
by appreciatorBus 3mo ago
I think all of this hinges on whether or not you think it was a protest. If they had been peacefully sitting outside the facility holding signs, I think you'd have a case that the sentencing is insane. But if they were actively planning a break-in & preparing to use deadly force, that's quite another matter. I haven't spent a lot of timing reading about it, but what I have read suggests it was much closer to the latter.
- devmor 3mo agoFrom what I read, the person who was arrested for transporting zines was not even at the protest or part of the group - just the husband of one of the protestors.
- paisawalla 3mo ago[flagged]
- axus 3mo agoIf I were transporting copies of this magazine, am I concealing evidence? What is special about this guy? Is there anything he could have legally transported, or is everything she's written banned? The irony of The Intercept requiring my identity is funny.
- glitch003 3mo agoshe called her husband, from jail, and asked him to move them so they couldn't be used in court against her. she said "do whatever you have to do". the cops listened to the phone call, watched him load them into the car and arrested him on the drive. i think it's pretty straightforward that she was asking for his help in obstructing the investigation by hiding potential evidence against her.
- mindslight 3mo agoLawful investigation and prosecution would of course not hinge upon the contents of political publications. As such, any obstruction was purely aimed at the inevitable two minute hate by the addled autocrat about how antifa is hiding everywhere, making his coffee too cold and his food not taste as good as it used to.
- lobf 3mo agoWell regardless, the obvious answer is that you simply turn your zines in to slurry in a bucket or sink, you don’t drive them anywhere.
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- metabagel 3mo agoMaybe so, but 30 years is wildly disproportionate.
- axus 3mo agoI am asking those questions in good faith, to explore the new limits on free speech, and don't see any direct answers. What happens to this guy specifically is only interesting as far as it affects everyone else in the US.
- anigbrowl 3mo agoAnd you think that's worth a 30 year sentence? I think the founders of the US would disagree. Also worth noting that the husband did not conceal evidence of the wife committing a crime. Having political zines isn't illegal. The zines were circumstantial evidence that the prosecution wanted to use to characterize her general political views. They had no direct relation to the events at the ICE detention center.
- 21asdffdsa12 3mo agoIm somehow more reminded of the loyalists in the revolutionary wars. 80.000 people who fled to canada, when it became obvious they where no longer wanted or needed by the new administration. Trying to do a Che Guverra against the expressed will of the people - seems kind of extremist.
- paisawalla 3mo agoAs with many of your premises throughout this thread, > And you think that's worth a 30 year sentence? this claim was never argued.
- autoexec 3mo agoThe wife was charged with: Rioting with the intent to commit an act of violence, providing support to terrorists, and conspiracy to use and carry explosives. In what way would a box of magazines be evidence of any one of those crimes? I very much doubt there was an article called "My plan to commit an act of violence by Maricela Rueda" in any of them. The ones they choose to photograph for inclusion in their criminal complaint (likely because they were the most scary looking ones) appear to have been written many years ago. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Literature_from_Fed-Complaint-Daniel-Sanchez.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Literatu... Two of those pictured are on archive.org and War in the streets : the story of urban combat from Calais to Khafji is available at amazon.com https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/ItsVacantTakeIt/its-vacant-take-it-SCREEN.pdf https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/ItsVacantTakeIt/its-... https://ia601803.us.archive.org/29/items/the-anarchist-library-full-list-of-pdfs-nov-2020/anonymous-another-critique-of-insurrectionalism.pdf https://ia601803.us.archive.org/29/items/the-anarchist-libra... It sounds to me like she was just making arrangements with her husband from jail to handle their property. She told him to have her car towed because it was left on the street by someone else's house and she told him to "move whatever you need to from the house" which is a pretty sensible heads up to give someone when you know that their house will likely be ransacked later by police who could take or destroy anything.
- 9x39 3mo ago"The government showed that there were items in the box that were the same items found in the Soto’s residence, tying Sanchez and Rueda to the Sotos, and similar items found amongst the other defendants. It also showed materials in the box contained handwritten notes on them, specifically the name “Ines,” and “Ines in bc” [Ines in book club]. This further drew the connection between Sanchez, Rueda, and the Sotos. This connection was important for purposes of Pinkerton liability and showing they all shared the same motive, intent, knowledge, and foreseeability." https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.410489/gov.uscourts.txnd.410489.385.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.41... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_liability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_liability No lawyer, today is the day I learned about Pinkerton Liability, but apparently under it you can be held liable for the actions of your co-conspirators.
- devmor 3mo agoWell then it’s a great thing that no one attempted to do that.
- Findecanor 3mo agoIsn't the purpose of zines to publish them? Then how could that even be considered concealment?
- kristjansson 3mo agoHow would possession of political material be evidence one way or the other? She can own, read, share, publish, disseminate all the revolutionary literature she wants
- one33seven 3mo agoIs protesting a crime now?
- ipython 3mo agoUnfortunately, the administration wants it both ways- if you were on the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021, you were simply part of a "peaceful tour group". If you stand to the side of an ICE agent in Minneapolis, you are a "domestic terrorist", deserve to be murdered in cold blood, and any attempts to investigate further will be stonewalled. So it's hard to take their characterization seriously when they have demonstrated that there is a clear double standard, depending on whether you are a FoT (Friend of Trump).
- wmf 3mo ago[flagged]
- platevoltage 3mo agoImagine having to pardon an anti-fascist in the USA.
- compass_copium 3mo agoImagine a Democratic president with a spine like that.
- ipython 3mo agoCan anyone seriously define “antifa”? What would the pardon read? “Anyone who is anti-fascism is hereby pardoned…”? Edit: downvoting me doesn’t answer the question. If you have a definition please reply! If nobody can define “antifa” how the heck can you prosecute someone for being a member of it?
- wmf 3mo agoIt wouldn't be a blanket pardon.
- incompatible 3mo agoWikipedia uses "a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement." Until recently, there was nothing controversial or illegal about being any of those things.
- lelandfe 3mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention_center_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Prairieland_ICE_detention...
- appreciatorBus 3mo ago[flagged]
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- snvzz 3mo agoDo not just link some Wikipedia article. Express your point.
- reverius42 3mo agoThe parent comment has a lot of "if this" and "if that", but the linked Wikipedia article has a thorough sequence of events. The point is clearly: we don't need to surmise.
- felixgallo 3mo ago'they' is doing a lot of work. This guy wasn't even there.
- shimman 3mo agoWhat hogwash. Resistance is as American as the founding of the country, acting like there is a "right way" to protest is deeply antihuman.
- Manuel_D 3mo agoThe "protestors" shot someone, if that's not the wrong way to protest then what is?
- mulmen 3mo ago[flagged]
- thunderfork 3mo agoAn individual shot someone, unless you think multiple people were helping pull the trigger.
- Manuel_D 3mo agoThis was a coordinated group of people who procured body armor, radios, and firearms, and planned to break into a Federal facility. Responsibility for this incident doesn't rest exclusively on the hands of the shooter. An analogy is Enrique Tarrio's arrest in the wake of January 6th. Right wingers complained that he wasn't even in the capital during the riot. But of course that's not evidence his innocence. Even though he didn't personally participate in the putsch, he was still held responsible for organizing it (not for long on account of his pardon, unfortunately, but he was still rightfully convicted).
- thunderfork 3mo agoResponsibility is a separate question from correctly reporting on the events that occurred. "A protestor shot someone" is correct, "a protestor shot someone and the group is culpable" could be argued, but "the protestors shot someone" is simply untrue.