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Anthropic says Alibaba used 25k accounts to mine Claude

41 points by logickkk1 3mo ago

SonOfKyuss 3mo ago
Actors, musicians, and writers are all playing the world’s smallest violin right now.
- happyPersonR 3mo ago
  This. Lolllll It’s so sad no one is going to shed a single tear
teddyX 3mo ago
Tartigrade_playing_a_violin.gif
d0mine 3mo ago
How many accounts Anthropic used to mine the web
androiddrew 3mo ago
Yeah. The "I don't care" line from The Fugitive comes to mind.
- andrewinardeer 3mo ago
  True, but I'm not jumping from the outlet pipe.
cyanydeez 3mo ago
Oh no! The company that both stole all it's training data and claims to want to build the most ethically oriented machine cares whether other humans are using it to do their own thing! It kinda seems like Anthropic and the trump administration are doing some bizarre kabuki theatre.
- hogwasher 3mo ago
  Neither Anthropic nor anyone in the Trump administration can hold a candle to kabuki theatre. (I know that's not what you meant, but still! Art, the LLM and the Trump admin cannot.) Anyway yeah this is beyond absurd of them to fuss about this. Oh no, the thieves that stole from checks notes basically everbody have been robbed of the stolen goods and nooow they care about copyright, huh, how shocking. I'm sure they'll settle all their court cases with artists and admit fault now, right? ...right? Yeah no, fuck 'em.
pixiemaster 3mo ago
you can reverse engineer the whole thing with just 25k accounts? don’t let the stock market hear that.
- gentlewater 3mo ago
  The stock market rewarded SpaceX with a record breaking IPO valuation for promises that it would too offer a thing that could be reverse engineered with just 25k accounts. Possibly in space. The stock market doesn’t care.
  - adastra22 3mo ago
    SpaceX’s value proposition is far more than AI.
    - moogly 3mo ago
      Far more ludicrous, that is.
    - victorbjorklund 3mo ago
      They do claim most of their business is AI though with some rockets sprinkled on top
      - adastra22 3mo ago
        Most of their forecasted revenue within the time horizon wall st looks at. SpaceX is making a gamble that will lead to quadrillion dollar valuations if things work out. Yes, I recognize that is larger than the entire economy of the earth. That’s precisely the point.
dude250711 3mo ago
Alien vs predator.
bdavid21wnec 3mo ago
I don’t know much about the ins and outs of LLMs, but if something can be reversed engineered that quickly. What exactly is the large moat that makes them worth 1trillion?
- Daishiman 3mo ago
  They have none. Google came to the same conclusion years ago.
SeriousM 3mo ago
> Anthropic wants firms like Alibaba punished Do they care what we want? Im happy that China is copying the models and make them available for everyone, with 1/10 of it's price.
- bofadeez 3mo ago
  Competition is supposed to be the safety net of capitalism that ensures high quality and low prices. Distillation is not illegal. They're just using the LLM in a lawful way. So yes we all should thank the capitalist Chinese labs for helping the consumer in a win-win fashion. This military strategy talk is not interesting to anyone other than Anthropic AI researchers who decide to work there.
  - recursivegirth 3mo ago
    This. I find distillation way more ethical than piracy. The U.S. already jumped the gun by making this stuff not copyrightable. We should of instead held these companies liable. It's not like the research they did in the process was for naught. They (U.S. AI companies) could of sourced legal material without stooping to the same lows that China and other nations are willing to go to. All in the name of a buck. Anyways - I pay for z.ai, Opencode Go, Ollama Cloud. I love me some distilled models.
    - nerdsniper 3mo ago
      * should "have" * could "have"
      - recursivegirth 3mo ago
        [flagged]
- bicepjai 3mo ago
  Do they hear themselves ? We steal better, but don’t steal from us :)
- 3mo ago
gruturo 3mo ago
The "Oh no! Anyway" meme from Top Gear has never been more appropriate. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-no-anyway https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-no-anyway
ChrisArchitect 3mo ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48664814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48664814
wookmaster 3mo ago
Ok? Claude is already mining everything else. Why should they be protected but not the data they stole ?
pbgcp2026 3mo ago
It is too late, the Qwen 3.7 Max is above both Gemini 3.1 and Opus 4.8. And Qwen 3.7 Plus is on level with Fable. There is literally no point of paying exorbitant API prices to US Labs. And remember: it's not only about coding. Those "selected US companies" to gain access to Mythos now are not using it to replace coders. And Qwen is a solid answer. (The next is GLM 5.2, but not there yet - Qwen 3.7 made a significant leap forward.)

41 points by logickkk1 3mo ago

SonOfKyuss 3mo ago

Actors, musicians, and writers are all playing the world’s smallest violin right now.

happyPersonR 3mo ago
This. Lolllll It’s so sad no one is going to shed a single tear

teddyX 3mo ago

Tartigrade_playing_a_violin.gif

d0mine 3mo ago

How many accounts Anthropic used to mine the web

androiddrew 3mo ago

Yeah. The "I don't care" line from The Fugitive comes to mind.

andrewinardeer 3mo ago
True, but I'm not jumping from the outlet pipe.

cyanydeez 3mo ago

Oh no! The company that both stole all it's training data and claims to want to build the most ethically oriented machine cares whether other humans are using it to do their own thing! It kinda seems like Anthropic and the trump administration are doing some bizarre kabuki theatre.

hogwasher 3mo ago
Neither Anthropic nor anyone in the Trump administration can hold a candle to kabuki theatre. (I know that's not what you meant, but still! Art, the LLM and the Trump admin cannot.) Anyway yeah this is beyond absurd of them to fuss about this. Oh no, the thieves that stole from checks notes basically everbody have been robbed of the stolen goods and nooow they care about copyright, huh, how shocking. I'm sure they'll settle all their court cases with artists and admit fault now, right? ...right? Yeah no, fuck 'em.

pixiemaster 3mo ago

you can reverse engineer the whole thing with just 25k accounts? don’t let the stock market hear that.

gentlewater 3mo ago
The stock market rewarded SpaceX with a record breaking IPO valuation for promises that it would too offer a thing that could be reverse engineered with just 25k accounts. Possibly in space. The stock market doesn’t care.
- adastra22 3mo ago
  SpaceX’s value proposition is far more than AI.
  - moogly 3mo ago
    Far more ludicrous, that is.
  - victorbjorklund 3mo ago
    They do claim most of their business is AI though with some rockets sprinkled on top
    - adastra22 3mo ago
      Most of their forecasted revenue within the time horizon wall st looks at. SpaceX is making a gamble that will lead to quadrillion dollar valuations if things work out. Yes, I recognize that is larger than the entire economy of the earth. That’s precisely the point.

dude250711 3mo ago

Alien vs predator.

bdavid21wnec 3mo ago

I don’t know much about the ins and outs of LLMs, but if something can be reversed engineered that quickly. What exactly is the large moat that makes them worth 1trillion?

Daishiman 3mo ago
They have none. Google came to the same conclusion years ago.

SeriousM 3mo ago

> Anthropic wants firms like Alibaba punished Do they care what we want? Im happy that China is copying the models and make them available for everyone, with 1/10 of it's price.

bofadeez 3mo ago
Competition is supposed to be the safety net of capitalism that ensures high quality and low prices. Distillation is not illegal. They're just using the LLM in a lawful way. So yes we all should thank the capitalist Chinese labs for helping the consumer in a win-win fashion. This military strategy talk is not interesting to anyone other than Anthropic AI researchers who decide to work there.
- recursivegirth 3mo ago
  This. I find distillation way more ethical than piracy. The U.S. already jumped the gun by making this stuff not copyrightable. We should of instead held these companies liable. It's not like the research they did in the process was for naught. They (U.S. AI companies) could of sourced legal material without stooping to the same lows that China and other nations are willing to go to. All in the name of a buck. Anyways - I pay for z.ai, Opencode Go, Ollama Cloud. I love me some distilled models.
  - nerdsniper 3mo ago
    * should "have" * could "have"
    - recursivegirth 3mo ago
      [flagged]
bicepjai 3mo ago
Do they hear themselves ? We steal better, but don’t steal from us :)
3mo ago

gruturo 3mo ago

The "Oh no! Anyway" meme from Top Gear has never been more appropriate. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-no-anyway https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-no-anyway

ChrisArchitect 3mo ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48664814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48664814

wookmaster 3mo ago

Ok? Claude is already mining everything else. Why should they be protected but not the data they stole ?

pbgcp2026 3mo ago

It is too late, the Qwen 3.7 Max is above both Gemini 3.1 and Opus 4.8. And Qwen 3.7 Plus is on level with Fable. There is literally no point of paying exorbitant API prices to US Labs. And remember: it's not only about coding. Those "selected US companies" to gain access to Mythos now are not using it to replace coders. And Qwen is a solid answer. (The next is GLM 5.2, but not there yet - Qwen 3.7 made a significant leap forward.)