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Jolla Phone (October 2026)
- WarmWash 3mo agoWhat does "Assembled in Finland" mean?
- john_strinlai 3mo agothe pieces of the phone are put together in the country of finland
- nticompass 3mo agoYes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?
- tchalla 3mo agoWhat does their website say?
- scoot 3mo agoExactly this (when nitpicking the phrasing). Is putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product? OTOH, I'm not sure how much it matters. Apple products are "designed in California" (which is a bit of a lie to begin with), and very much assembled overseas. Of more interest is how few units they've pre-sold compared to mainstream phones. I wish them well, but I doubt they'll change history.
- reaperducer 3mo agoIs putting the finished unit in the box "assembly" of the delivered product? I've seen "Packaged in $country" on boxes before, so I suspect they are two different things. Like food made in Canada that shows up in American chain stores being labeled "Distributed by QFC." There's lots of rules about this sort of thing. Reminds me of back in the late 90's when Wal-Mart was all rah-rah about "Made in the USA!" on all of its products. Then my company bought every employee a Sam's Club membership and the cards were all marked "Litho en Mexico."
- Steve16384 3mo agoIt's almost like a "ship of Theseus" problem. If something arrived in Finland for assembly that could theoretically be disassembled, does the final product count as being assembled in Finland? What even counts as "assembling"?
- john_strinlai 3mo agothere is a legal differentiation between putting a finished product into a box ("packaged in") and assembling component pieces ("assembled in")
- embedding-shape 3mo agoStuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.
- nticompass 3mo agoI read it as "how much is actually assembled in Finland versus arriving pre-assembled?"
- dghlsakjg 3mo agoWell, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition. Pick and place PCB assembly is very different from the final assembly of batteries in terms of who is capturing value and building a reasonable moat. Their sales angle is around European autonomy. Low wage workers putting batteries in phones is not that, but PCB assembly is much closer to that.
- SoftTalker 3mo agoSeems much more likely to me that the main board of the phone is assembled in China and the battery and the case, and perhaps the screen are added in Finland. But it would be nice to know for sure.
- numpad0 3mo agoI don't know anything but I thought it's the opposite of that? I thought pick-and-place machines are like fancier 3D printers, and they can be bought and copied anywhere sufficiently advanced, but low-wage assembly workers are organic AGIs that require multi year culture building and prompt engineering know-hows accumulation to be able to achieve and maintain even usable yield rates and cannot be spun up overnight, especially after a workplace was once torn down. Or am I just spoiled by apparent local regional abundance of cheap roboticists?
- ttkari 3mo agoProbably things like fixing the mainboards to the casing, putting in batteries, back covers, flashing the software, running hw tests, packaging etc.
- xandrius 3mo agoI hope Ubuntu Touch has native support for this, as it's a great OS with massive potential and active community.
- tombert 3mo agoI really wanted the official Ubuntu phone to catch on. I gave to the IndieGoGo for it but sadly it wasn't funded, so I installed Ubuntu mobile on a different old phone (a OnePlus One I think?) like a decade ago. I thought it was very cool. It felt a lot more like a "computer that I could use as a smartphone" than a "smartphone with some computer stuff". I thought the interface was clean and nice and it was fun to hack on. I really should buy a compatible phone and play with it again...I'm sure they've done a lot of work on it.
- xandrius 3mo agoYeah, I did the same. Now you can even run android apk's on the system, which makes it easier to switch.
- itomato 3mo agoIf this Sailfish phone is 700 and Commodore's is 500, I know which Sailfish device I can pay attention to.
- wasting_time 3mo agoWhat do you mean?
- nicman23 3mo ago> 99€ down payment to lock your October delivery ...
- Tiberium 3mo agoWanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.: - https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims-about-open-closed-source-security-and-privacy/25933 https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims... - https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/ https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/
- Retr0id 3mo agoHuh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS. Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.
- ttkari 3mo agoIf what you want is android and you have privacy concerns, GrapheneOS is probably the best you can get. Then again, SailfishOS is a linux with much of the usual linux stuff like userland with bash, coreutils, glibc, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio etc.
- microtonal 3mo agoAnd way less security, sandboxing is far more limited and the default profile looks pretty much YOLO: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailjail-permissions/blob/master/config/50-default-profile.conf https://github.com/sailfishos/sailjail-permissions/blob/mast... Given how sensitive information most people have on their phones (banking, chats, and whatnot), it's a disaster in the making. The typical answer is "but I'll only use open source apps that I trust". Sandboxing doesn't only protect you against rogue apps, it primarily protects you against 0-days in apps that you do trust.
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- Marciplan 3mo agowhy this over Fairphone?
- cassianoleal 3mo agoHave they unlocked the bootloader? Can I install a different OS on it?
- imzadi 3mo agoI hope it eats you if you don't wear your Christmas clothes
- boesboes 3mo agoCareful with preordering, they seem to ignore requests to cancel & the community is rather hostile to any form of criticism
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- mihular 3mo agoWait, what? What is wrong with European companies by default?
- carlosjobim 3mo ago[flagged]
- ktosobcy 3mo agoThey don't harvest all personal data becase they don't give a duck like the Usanian counterparts /s
- woah 3mo ago[flagged]
- ezst 3mo ago> Seems like a lot of European tech companies are kept afloat by "digital sovereignty" and maybe EU grant money woah indeed.
- pm3003 3mo agoGood ol' European statism at work.
- bigyabai 3mo agoTo be fair to Jolla, their brand predates the concept of "digital sovereignty" as we know it today. They were making Android alternatives even before China or Apple did.
- bilekas 3mo agoI like the idea of these new phones that might be a bit more privacy centered, and even with some different OSes but I think the biggest problem for a lot of adoption is the compatibility with things like banking apps, 2fa etc. It makes it quite an impossible daily driver thanks to some strange rules.
- erikvanoosten 3mo agoPerhaps my bank is special (Triodos), its app works just fine on the Jolla.
- pimterry 3mo agoThere's a compatibility list at https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/ https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa.... I think the challenges here exist but the reality is overblown to be honest, the vast majority of banking apps (everything that isn't struck through in that list) work just fine. Fully agree the concern is discouraging adoption though. I would love to see more of a solution here, it seems like purely anti-competitive behaviour by Android that will block competitors emerging.
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- axelthegerman 3mo agoUnfortunately for the foreseeable future you'd need a cheap Android or iOS device for those apps and whatever you want as daily driver. I don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards. 2FA should be easily available on any OS
- microtonal 3mo agoI don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards. That's an overgeneralization. In many countries online payments require approval through a smartphone. There are also banks that barely have a mobile banking website (e.g. Bunq last time I had it).
- spaqin 3mo agoI still can't take a device with a mid-range Mediatek seriously. Probably from my XDA days, where just its presence meant locked bootloaders and no kernel sources. Congrats on selling them but "assembled in EU" can't be the main selling point.
- dengolius 3mo agoDoes anyone know when they'll sell their company and product to russia again?
- Ylpertnodi 3mo agoAfter they make Zelensky pres.
- badgersnake 3mo agoThey will sell in Russia when it’s legal to do so, just like every other company.
- zuzululu 3mo agoAre you talking about European companies? There are already many companies in Russia doing extremely well like Korean and Japanese companies
- badgersnake 3mo agoEuropean or American. Currently Russia is sanctioned so it’s illegal to do business there. If it were legal they would be straight back.
- zuzululu 3mo agoAh I forgot about that. I don't think Russians will allow those companies to return for a very long time. When all the Western companies left the huge markets across verticals were handed out to local and east asian companies. Russians hate the West and the incumbents know it. If Western companies started to muscle in again they would drop the price to protect their market shares. Kind of silly to give up your entire market share over an unwinnable war. reply to below: I had to add the rebuttal to your racist comment earlier (which you ironically deleted) by editing this comment, because I am being throttled and cannot reply to anymore comments.
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- CiTyBear 3mo agoPersonal experience with Jolla: I bought their first mobile (still have it somewhere) that would be a "Linux Phone that run android app". Wanted to support it and was ready to expect some bugs but it did not work all. No support at all, most of android app did not work. The OS was not finished that it was already obsolete. And now there are doing it again like the first one never existed. I have zero trust in this company
- poetaster 3mo agoI still have my first Jolla from 2016. Still works and got updates till 2 years ago. The android stuff I used was minimal but worked fine except for bluetooth and nfc. I build my own mostly.
- derdi 3mo agoI still have my first Jolla from 2014, I used it until... 2022-ish? My main gripe was that RAM was limited, the OOM killer killed my browser way too often while I was actively using it. I didn't use too much Android stuff, but as far as I remember it mostly worked. I'd expect this new one to work just fine. The thing that sounds really fishy is the "User configurable physical Privacy Switch". If you can configure it in software (how else?), then it's software-defined. If it's software-defined, then it's not physical.
- alcasa 3mo agoI used it as a daily driver back in 2014/15 and it worked ok from what I remember.
- aivisol 3mo agoI was about to write the same. I even had a chance to meet their then CTO at their booth in WMC in Barcelona and complain in person but well …
- port11 3mo agoI don’t think they have the trust and platform stability to back up that price tag. But it’s always good to have more competition, so let’s see.
- sourcegrift 3mo agoGoogle is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. I hope for a day when my phone runs nixos with Qt apps. Qt is so much better than java that I'm sure I'll be able to make do in 4gb what android takes 16gb for. In the era of hallucinated apps, this doesn't even seen like an imaginary wishful scenario.
- drnick1 3mo ago> Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. You can unlock a Pixel's bootloader and install GrapheneOS. It would be highly ironic if the Jolla's was locked.
- Artoooooor 3mo agoAnother almost good phone without a mini jack :( User-replaceable battery, SD card port, mini jack, touchscreen that works consistently. Do I really ask for that much?
- utopiah 3mo agoWent from iPhone (with PostMarketOS on PinePhones as tests) to /e/OS on a CMF Nothing installed by Murena to GrapheneOS on 2nd hand Pixel 8. I'm not advocating any of those specifically but I do recommend you take whatever step you are comfortable with to a saner mobile technology lifestyle. IMHO it's a worthwhile learning journey that is probably less challenging and more empowering than you can imagine.
- microtonal 3mo agoFor those who do not have the funds for anything else, its worth looking into uad-ng: https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-android-debloater-next-generation https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-an... E.g. on most Samsung phones you can uninstall (from the user partition): third-party Meta/Microsoft/etc. apps, the McAfee app scanner that not enabled by default, Gemini, Bixbee, most Google apps, most Samsung apps, some analytics services. You can make a pretty vanilla phone with just OneUI. That said, best is to grab a Pixel, the only phone with an unlockable bootloader that also has modern device security (separate security processor, MTE, etc.). Installing GrapheneOS gives you a very pristine and quiet OS, while still providing great compatibility through sandboxed Google Play Services. Also the only OS that provides Android 17 now, besides Pixel OS (and obviously betas like the OneUI 9 beta).
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- ktosobcy 3mo agoI got first Jolla Phone ages ago, wanted to love it but in the end I disliked it bebause of gesture-oriented UI (it simply didn't 'click' for me and was annoying to use in the long run). Right now I'm more excited about PostmarketOS which seems to be more vanilla Linux with more approachable UI…
- mrbluecoat 3mo agoShip to the US with GrapheneOS and I'll be first in line :)
- microtonal 3mo agoThe Mediatek Dimensity 7100 in this phone does not support MTE and the phone is unlikely to have a secure enclave. So does not meet the GrapheneOS requirements by a long stretch.
- RomanPushkin 3mo ago750 USD? I like the idea. And appreciate all the people who support such products, so phones are getting cheaper. But no way I'm getting it for over $150. It looks really cheap, and the marketing is bad, honestly. I think these corporations have spoiled me, and I was really looking for huuuuge wow effect for $750, but it's just a Linux phone.
- fsflover 3mo ago> But no way I'm getting it for over $150. So Pinephone seems to be what you're searching for.
- porphyra 3mo agoThe Pinephone comes with ridiculously weak compute. The Jolla Phone has a Mediatek Dimensity 7100 comparable to $300 phones like the Honor 600 Lite [1]. Of course, with the $750 price tag you're getting an unlocked bootloader/Linux support and the labor of Finnish people. [1] https://www.gsmarena.com/honor_600_lite_debuts_with_dimensity_7100_elite_and_6520_mah_battery-news-71820.php https://www.gsmarena.com/honor_600_lite_debuts_with_dimensit...
- fsflover 3mo agoThe parent gave the price tag, and I replied with the corresponding device. With good software, Pinephone can smoothly play videos, show map directions and browse the web with NoScript, https://sxmo.org/ https://sxmo.org/
- gitowiec 3mo agoWhy so expensive :(
- mrbn100ful 3mo agoThey also have the Jolla c2 for 360€
- AndrewKemendo 3mo agoIs there anybody out there making a thin client device that runs almost everything remotely? Basically a screen, battery and LTE chip with microSD storage for times The way most people use phones are functionally useless without internet, so thats already a critical requirement and having the “phone” part of it you can do with 5c of hardware and free software.
- qurren 3mo ago> European alternative What about the regulatory side where all of Europe is starting to require stock Android or iOS to even have an ID card?
- seviu 3mo agoI ordered two in the September batch, which was way less expensive. Jolla phones are fine. I have friends who use it every day. Happy to support them all the best I can. —— Sent from my iPhone 17 Pro
- butz 3mo agoWho designed such ridiculous camera bump? It would be a really nice device, if only it had a flat backside.
- reaperducer 3mo agoWho designed such ridiculous camera bump? People who remember when phones had "flat backsides" and were constantly getting scratched and abraded by regular use just putting them on tables and picking them up again. The tripod posture is a feature, not a bug. I still occasionally use my iPhone 4 as a music player, and the flat back not only makes it susceptible to scratching, it makes it hard to pick up off of smooth surfaces like my coffee table. With a bump, you have something to grip.
- samtp 3mo agoTheir branding & website looks like a generic fake shop that was created in 30 mins for testing or scamming
- _zoltan_ 3mo agoI gave them money once on Kickstarter. Never got anything and they held my money hostage for years. I'm never ever, ever buying anything from Jolla. They can go out of business for all I care.
- system2 3mo agoI wonder if humanity will ever go back to Nokia times small phones. If this phone was 50% smaller, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I don't want to carry these huge bricks anymore.
- Cider9986 3mo agoMost people like big phones and they sell the best. With more people who only have phones as their devices, they want to have as much screen as possible. The solution that I would implement ifI wanted a small phone would be a Motorola flip.
- wuming2 3mo agoSince NASA demonstrates it is possible to keep servicing software on a 50 years old hardware, traveling into space far far away, I want someone to buy software and original tooling rights for the Nokia 1100. Then prepare a firmware upgrade for the variant with WAP capabilities to replace them with a more modern, very optimized, stack and have it installed on the (millions of) remaining devices. Then deal with carriers convincing them to provide ad-hoc 2G CSD service. Finally setting up internet services for the puny device. One can always dream.
- cyanydeez 3mo agodoes this have some weird ad tech? It turns white screen on me.
- blu3h4t 3mo agoI bought and used sailfish on a Sony phone (also had a second one), with my work issued SIM card for mainly calling as a test, it also had a few popular messaging apps like WhatsApp and whatnot, maybe for 5 years, but got tired of the interface and apps mediocrity. On a personal phone after several years and several mediocre android phones that had to be switched way too often for my tastes I switched to an iPhone. And as I expected cause had a Mac 20 years ago, despite using Linux for all these years, God what a pleasure to use an iPhone. But anyway got tired of that sailfish phone and replaced it with an older pixel + graphene, not as huge as iPhone but still much better than the sailfish os, in both app support and interface. If you ask me this are the only tho decent phones now an iPhone or graphene. That Sony is running murena now I think cause it’s on the table getting an update once in a while.
- mistyvales 3mo agoI'm getting Nokia N9 MeeGo vibes from this. Also reminded me of the tablet debacle which I suppose is ancient history at this point..
- mempko 3mo agoThere is a reason Jolla is ex Nokia people who made MeeGo. Sailfish (the OS) is a direct distended.
- Cider9986 3mo agoFunnily enough, the privacy subreddit has banned all mentions of alternative phone operating systems.
- shmerl 3mo agoDoes it work with US networks?
- samat 3mo agoBuilt in multi user capability is so enticing
- taffydavid 3mo agoStill sort of blows my mind that people regularly pay 600+ for new phones, and that's not even considered expensive. I've only ever bought refurbished or budget ones
- bit_economist 3mo agoNo headphone jack? They show a photo of wired earbuds on the product page.
- erzo152817 3mo agoMoto g 05
- abc42 3mo agoI'm much more interested in the Commodore phone because of its form factor. They chose to use the same operating system as Jolla.
- jooseppi2 3mo agoJolla Phone 2026 is way better than C2, which was not even made by Jolla. This is a phoen that is made in Finland, OS is secure and field prooven for over 10years. GrapheneOS is just Android, Java bloat, Sailfish is pure Linux with Qt interface, which is also from Finland and used in automotive / industrial. Seems to be a quality phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz_UGm9azOs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz_UGm9azOs
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