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Such an out of touch attempt to get the youths onboard the hype train.. ok boomer.

by jcgrillo 3mo ago

andsoitis 3mo ago
> ok boomer. Reid Hoffman is not a boomer. He was born in 1967. Also: ageism isn't sexy.
- jcgrillo 3mo ago
  I'm old too, it isn't about that. He's desperately trying to guilt young people into glomming onto his profoundly uncool thing by playing on some ancient "digital native" trope. It's, well, some boomer type shit.
  - andsoitis 3mo ago
    I suppose you likewise think of Sam A, Dario A, and Dennis H, as boomers because they're signaling the same, just not being as direct.
    - jcgrillo 3mo ago
      As far as I'm aware they never explicitly kicked the generational hornets' nest, but I'm not a scholar of AI goober drivel
- jedimastert 3mo ago
  The usage of the phrase has evolved past carrying about the actual generation (kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students). Also, Hoffman very intentionally opened the door to talking about generational differences, this kind of feels like the commenter may have touched a nerve
  - andsoitis 3mo ago
    "Ok boomer", as I understand it, basically means "I'm not going to engage seriously with that outdated perspective", often used to shut down a conversation rather than to continue it. I don't know that what Reid is expressing is an outdated perspective, but that's of course subjective.
    - jcgrillo 3mo ago
      > You guys have the opportunity to be generation AI—where you come into the workforce saying, ‘I know this a lot better than all of you' Yeah, it was expressly my intent to shut this kind of nonsense down. This is just a different version of "get on board right now or you'll all be left behind". Enough with the lying.
      - andsoitis 3mo ago
        This version is more effective in expressing your sentiment, FWIW.
      - SpicyLemonZest 3mo ago
        I don't think it's a different version of that at all? Presumably what he has in mind is the Internet transition. Nobody got "left behind" from the Internet, even cranky 80 year olds are often pretty familiar these days, but people like Reid Hoffman achieved "fulfilling lives and jobs" by recognizing early that it was going to be a big deal.
        jcgrillo 3mo ago
        > Nobody got "left behind" from the Internet, even cranky 80 year olds... This is actually false. There are plenty of 80+ year olds in care facilities and living alone that are disadvantaged by the implicit assumption that everyone has a smartphone or an email address. Unable to communicate with their bank, insurance company, care providers, etc. All down to your "inclusive progress". Call it what it is: an extractive, inhumane power grab meant to monopolize everyone's attention. And that was tech's Big Success Story. Everything since has been trying to re-live those glory days.
  - win311fwg 3mo ago
    > kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students Is that really an evolution? "Millennial" was coined to refer to the cohort that gradated from high school in the year 2000. Not all high school graduates become college students, of course, but if we are generalizing it isn't unreasonable to think of recent high school graduates as college students. Now, there was nothing in the definition to declare if you must continue to recognize them for who they are going forward (i.e. 40-somethings now), or if you are to remember them in that moment as high school graduates, many of whom were college bound. So still thinking of "millennials" as being college students is a fair interpretation before evolution.
    - jedimastert 3mo ago
      The term "millennials" referred to a specific cohort of people that all share similar experiences and therefore culture because they were born around a specific time (early ninties). So yes, it would be an evolution to refer to them as college student age today
      - win311fwg 3mo ago
        > The term "millennials" referred to a specific cohort of people that all share similar experiences Exactly. That experience being coming of age at the turn of the millennium, with high school graduation being considered the milestone where one comes of age. Hence why Strauss and Howe called them millennials. While the people who were labelled millennials are no longer recent high school graduates, it is linguistically valid to remember them locked in that moment in time. High school graduation was the point of significance associated with the term. > because they were born around a specific time (early ninties). Easy to miscalculate, I suppose, but the cohort who graduated high school in the year 2000 were born in the early 80s. "Millennial" did later evolve to be used where "Generation Y" was used previously. That represents a much larger age range — those born in the early 80s to mid-90s. Further evolution has seen millennial come to refer to those born in the latter half of the Generation Y, with "Xennial" showing up to refer to those in the earlier half. This might be where you had 90s kids in mind, but that is far from where the term originated. "Millennial" first appeared in 1987. Nobody was thinking about those born in the 90s at the time.
  - jimbokun 3mo ago
    The usage of the phrase has evolved into a thought terminating cliche.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > Also: ageism isn't sexy Biology is ageist. The youngest baby boomers are still in their early 60s, and not yet subject to a precipitous-decline cut-off, but the median Boomer is about 71 and probably past it [1]. Given every President since 1993—with the exception of Obama—was born in 1942 or 1946 [2], I think it’s fair to admit this whole an-eighty-year-old-is-the-same-as-a-thirty-year-old tripe has swung to an untenable extreme. Race is a social construct. Age is not. Mixing them up is fundamentally wrong and, I’d argue, dangerous. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4906299/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4906299/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...
  - mschuster91 3mo ago
    > Race is a social construct. Age is not. Mixing them up is fundamentally wrong and, I’d argue, dangerous. Even worse. Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves. When you got gerontocrats in power for too long and after them boomers, all you'll end with in 20 years is a bunch of dead boomers and gen silent, and a bunch of gen y/z that never had the opportunity to actually learn leadership skills and failing spectacularly as a result.
    - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
      > Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves This strikes me as a spin on the lump-of-labor fallacy. The problem with a gerontocracy is you have masses in cognitive and physical decline at the peaks of power. Absent that condition, the model isn’t fundamentally broken. (You would probably see more patricide in hereditary lines…) Old people aren’t a problem, aged people in command are. That’s what makes the comparison to race interesting—a society that brain drains gets wealthier for everyone. If we made our immigration 65+ only, on the other hand, it would be an almost-immediate disaster.
      - mschuster91 3mo ago
- mrhottakes 3mo ago
  > Also: ageism isn't sexy. Typical boomer needing things to be based on sex all the time.
  - andsoitis 3mo ago
    sex drives everything.
    - malcolmgreaves 3mo ago
      Ok boomer.
  - 3997531578 3mo ago
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- malcolmgreaves 3mo ago
  It’s not ageism. Don’t be so sensitive.
  - jimbokun 3mo ago
    It is 100% ageism. The entire point is to reduce the value of a person’s opinion to only their age.
- olivierestsage 3mo ago
  Imposing AI on the young when you no longer stand to experience the negative consequences because of your age is its own form of ageism.

Such an out of touch attempt to get the youths onboard the hype train.. ok boomer.

andsoitis 3mo ago

> ok boomer. Reid Hoffman is not a boomer. He was born in 1967. Also: ageism isn't sexy.

jcgrillo 3mo ago
I'm old too, it isn't about that. He's desperately trying to guilt young people into glomming onto his profoundly uncool thing by playing on some ancient "digital native" trope. It's, well, some boomer type shit.
- andsoitis 3mo ago
  I suppose you likewise think of Sam A, Dario A, and Dennis H, as boomers because they're signaling the same, just not being as direct.
  - jcgrillo 3mo ago
    As far as I'm aware they never explicitly kicked the generational hornets' nest, but I'm not a scholar of AI goober drivel
jedimastert 3mo ago
The usage of the phrase has evolved past carrying about the actual generation (kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students). Also, Hoffman very intentionally opened the door to talking about generational differences, this kind of feels like the commenter may have touched a nerve
- andsoitis 3mo ago
  "Ok boomer", as I understand it, basically means "I'm not going to engage seriously with that outdated perspective", often used to shut down a conversation rather than to continue it. I don't know that what Reid is expressing is an outdated perspective, but that's of course subjective.
  - jcgrillo 3mo ago
    > You guys have the opportunity to be generation AI—where you come into the workforce saying, ‘I know this a lot better than all of you' Yeah, it was expressly my intent to shut this kind of nonsense down. This is just a different version of "get on board right now or you'll all be left behind". Enough with the lying.
    - andsoitis 3mo ago
      This version is more effective in expressing your sentiment, FWIW.
    - SpicyLemonZest 3mo ago
      I don't think it's a different version of that at all? Presumably what he has in mind is the Internet transition. Nobody got "left behind" from the Internet, even cranky 80 year olds are often pretty familiar these days, but people like Reid Hoffman achieved "fulfilling lives and jobs" by recognizing early that it was going to be a big deal.
      - jcgrillo 3mo ago
        > Nobody got "left behind" from the Internet, even cranky 80 year olds... This is actually false. There are plenty of 80+ year olds in care facilities and living alone that are disadvantaged by the implicit assumption that everyone has a smartphone or an email address. Unable to communicate with their bank, insurance company, care providers, etc. All down to your "inclusive progress". Call it what it is: an extractive, inhumane power grab meant to monopolize everyone's attention. And that was tech's Big Success Story. Everything since has been trying to re-live those glory days.
- win311fwg 3mo ago
  > kind of like how people still talk about "millennials" like they're college students Is that really an evolution? "Millennial" was coined to refer to the cohort that gradated from high school in the year 2000. Not all high school graduates become college students, of course, but if we are generalizing it isn't unreasonable to think of recent high school graduates as college students. Now, there was nothing in the definition to declare if you must continue to recognize them for who they are going forward (i.e. 40-somethings now), or if you are to remember them in that moment as high school graduates, many of whom were college bound. So still thinking of "millennials" as being college students is a fair interpretation before evolution.
  - jedimastert 3mo ago
    The term "millennials" referred to a specific cohort of people that all share similar experiences and therefore culture because they were born around a specific time (early ninties). So yes, it would be an evolution to refer to them as college student age today
    - win311fwg 3mo ago
      > The term "millennials" referred to a specific cohort of people that all share similar experiences Exactly. That experience being coming of age at the turn of the millennium, with high school graduation being considered the milestone where one comes of age. Hence why Strauss and Howe called them millennials. While the people who were labelled millennials are no longer recent high school graduates, it is linguistically valid to remember them locked in that moment in time. High school graduation was the point of significance associated with the term. > because they were born around a specific time (early ninties). Easy to miscalculate, I suppose, but the cohort who graduated high school in the year 2000 were born in the early 80s. "Millennial" did later evolve to be used where "Generation Y" was used previously. That represents a much larger age range — those born in the early 80s to mid-90s. Further evolution has seen millennial come to refer to those born in the latter half of the Generation Y, with "Xennial" showing up to refer to those in the earlier half. This might be where you had 90s kids in mind, but that is far from where the term originated. "Millennial" first appeared in 1987. Nobody was thinking about those born in the 90s at the time.
- jimbokun 3mo ago
  The usage of the phrase has evolved into a thought terminating cliche.
JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> Also: ageism isn't sexy Biology is ageist. The youngest baby boomers are still in their early 60s, and not yet subject to a precipitous-decline cut-off, but the median Boomer is about 71 and probably past it [1]. Given every President since 1993—with the exception of Obama—was born in 1942 or 1946 [2], I think it’s fair to admit this whole an-eighty-year-old-is-the-same-as-a-thirty-year-old tripe has swung to an untenable extreme. Race is a social construct. Age is not. Mixing them up is fundamentally wrong and, I’d argue, dangerous. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4906299/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4906299/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...
- mschuster91 3mo ago
  > Race is a social construct. Age is not. Mixing them up is fundamentally wrong and, I’d argue, dangerous. Even worse. Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves. When you got gerontocrats in power for too long and after them boomers, all you'll end with in 20 years is a bunch of dead boomers and gen silent, and a bunch of gen y/z that never had the opportunity to actually learn leadership skills and failing spectacularly as a result.
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    > Our entire society, hell our biology is based on old people retiring to leave space for the young to develop themselves This strikes me as a spin on the lump-of-labor fallacy. The problem with a gerontocracy is you have masses in cognitive and physical decline at the peaks of power. Absent that condition, the model isn’t fundamentally broken. (You would probably see more patricide in hereditary lines…) Old people aren’t a problem, aged people in command are. That’s what makes the comparison to race interesting—a society that brain drains gets wealthier for everyone. If we made our immigration 65+ only, on the other hand, it would be an almost-immediate disaster.
    - mschuster91 3mo ago
mrhottakes 3mo ago
> Also: ageism isn't sexy. Typical boomer needing things to be based on sex all the time.
- andsoitis 3mo ago
  sex drives everything.
  - malcolmgreaves 3mo ago
    Ok boomer.
- 3997531578 3mo ago
  [dead]
malcolmgreaves 3mo ago
It’s not ageism. Don’t be so sensitive.
- jimbokun 3mo ago
  It is 100% ageism. The entire point is to reduce the value of a person’s opinion to only their age.
olivierestsage 3mo ago
Imposing AI on the young when you no longer stand to experience the negative consequences because of your age is its own form of ageism.