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Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
- the_origami_fox 4mo agoThis is rising fast. 61 points at this moment.
- tkfoss 4mo agomods are still sleeping
- akikoo 4mo agoWere hurty words written here?
- the_origami_fox 4mo agoDoubled to 103 points in 6 minutes
- the_origami_fox 4mo agoFlagged and off the home page. Now at 106 points.
- the_origami_fox 4mo agoAfter another half hour it is at 134 points despite being flagged.
- the_origami_fox 4mo agoIt's taken another 5 hours to reach 201 points, despite being flagged and removed from the home page at around 100 points. It is no longer flagged.
- the_origami_fox 4mo ago431 points after 18 hours. On the 3rd page. Many of my comments have been flagged. Meanwhile many hateful comments including swearing have not.
- mapotofu 4mo agoAnd flagged 36 minutes after submission right around 104
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- isgb 4mo agoOr it could be that the Reuters article just came out a few hours ago
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- cognitiveinline 4mo agoMaybe to spark curious conversation, when a world power seems to be supportive of actions that an international body considers negative, what structure can help resolve these? It does seem like UN is unable to really make a dent here.
- utirrjrk 4mo agoMany countries have strict laws how to deal with genocide, genocide support, and genocide deniers! So just enforce local laws, report supporters of genocide to police.
- isgb 4mo agoPro-tip (observe what the UK does closely): Don't call it a genocide and then you don't need to do anything about it.
- spwa4 4mo agoIndeed. It has to be a particular kind of recognized genocide, and then people just don't agree on what is and isn't a genocide. Turkey is the worst offender there, but it's quite a widespread problem. And, of course, the problem is people don't agree. Turkey refuses to accept many of it's actions as genocidal (because that's how Turkey was created: when the last islamic state ("the Ottoman empire") got destroyed by Turks (who at that point were the ottoman army), they massacred a LOT of population groups, famously the Armenians but academics name more than a dozen separate genocides: Greeks, Kurds, Azeri, Jews, ...) Oh and of course they kept doing it. Technically what Turkey did in Cyprus is also a genocide, and they have an active policy of replacing Kurd population groups but that's, if that's even possible, an even worse sore point. The sad fact is that these genocides happened to gain territory. And, most of that territory, go look at Google Maps. This was mostly deep inland Turkey. And ... Turks obviously don't want it. There's no big cities there, and the more east you go, the less little towns, the less people, the less everything (except on the border). After the genocides what was a European landscape, a village every 5km or so is now empty. Hundreds of kilometers of nothing. Names on a map , with nothing or ruins below them. You don't really need a line to find the Armenian or Georgian border: where the farms begin, the rectangular fields, the villages, you've crossed the Turkish border. In other words: what repopulation the Turks did ... is a failure. And what little remains, mostly near the black sea, is losing young people at an astonishing rate. This is huge empty space, mostly ecologically destroyed land, not productive farmland. Not nature preserves. Nothing. Also the reverse also doesn't apply. The UN may have trouble with Israeli actions, but where the UN took control to resolve the situation, where the UN took action, most famously southern Lebanon, it has not just failed but it systematically kept getting worse for 50+ years now. Whereas at least for Israel you can say: look at Tel Aviv. Look at Jerusalem. Look at Haifa. They really built something. Where the UN "helped" ... there's nothing.
- pelagicAustral 4mo agoAnybody surprised at this point? In any case, this is the same UN that has accepted israel, and israel lobbied US vetoes to Palestine entry into the UN again and again, even then a broad majority of the world have voted in favor of granting membership, does any of what they do or pretend to represent matters anymore?
- cassianoleal 4mo agoAt this point, leaders should create a new security council excluding the permanent SC members, set rules around voting on issues where every country has an equal voice, create enforcement frameworks and then invite the SC members with equal footing. The proposed reforms led by the likes of Brazil, Germany and India are not getting a lot of traction. Maybe if they included everyone else they'd have a better chance.
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- hsuduebc2 4mo agoIf you try very hard, you can understand the reason for bombardment, at least from the BEGINNING. Surely, not the reason for killing these poor children. But I never came to better conclusion about West Bank annexation that that it is pure imperialism. Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. I'm still not quite sure what is the purpose, there is really not enough land or it's all just bs? I wonder if this ends up Flagged.
- Protostome 4mo ago[flagged]
- n4r9 4mo agoThere is a severe lack of construction materials in Gaza. My guess is that Hamas has a choice between using what's left for tunnels, or losing the war.
- Protostome 4mo agoThat's a slight mix of cause and effect. There is a shortage of construction material because Hamas uses it not for the wellbeing of the citizens of Gaza, but for the construction of border crossing tunnels into Israel.
- n4r9 4mo agoSure, that's Israel's purported reason for all of its blockades. The result, as in most cases in history, is that civilians bear the overwhelming brunt of the impact while the military resistance digs further in, switches to guerilla tactics, and becomes increasingly popular amongst civilians. Regardless, my original point stands that Hamas do not have the means and resources both to build public shelters for everyone and to continue its military efforts.
- hsuduebc2 4mo agoThat's why I mentioned that it was very shallowly understandable at the beginning. Not after few years of massacre. Interesting part about your commentary is, that you completely ignored the West bank I mentioned. Place when Israel forces killed hundreds of children with sole reason or colonisation of land belonging to someone else. Or at least I never found any other explanation for behavior at the West Bank.
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- n4r9 4mo ago> On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Personally, I find the political machinations around this conflict particularly interesting.
- Cynddl 4mo agoIf you look at the bottom of the page, you’ll find guidelines that mention which content is welcomed: “Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.” That said, I find this particularly of interest here given the growing attention to the use of algorithms and AI (including generative AI) for surveillance and targeting of palestinians.
- MASNeo 4mo agoVery well, you are of cause correct and come to think of it that guideline makes total sense, there is more to hacking than technology. Hence my comment was unfortunate a bit misguided.
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- hsuduebc2 4mo agoI mean, if you are sure there are children and there is a quite a lot of children there, it's deliberate. It's actually one of the places in the Middle East with a higher birth rate than Israel itself, and a very high population density. If you are shooting into the crowd which includes children, you are shooting at children even when you are not pointing at them precisely.
- gershy 4mo agoIndividual events need to be considered on a case-by-case basis, but surely you would agree that if your combat enemy is hiding amidst children it is they who have deliberately chosen for those children to become collateral damage?
- ignoramous 4mo ago> is a reach Israel's targeting of neonatal and maternity care centres during its war on Gaza directly endangered Palestinians' reproductive future and the survival of newborns – driving a rise in miscarriages, birth defects, and lasting vulnerabilities. Israel's aid blockade in Gaza last year also took a severe toll on Palestinian children, causing starvation-related deaths and a rise in disease as immunisation rates fell. Palestinian children have been arrested and subjected to torture in Israeli prisons and other severe forms of mistreatment, including sexual abuse. Israeli forces have destroyed orphanages and education facilities in the occupied West Bank, which has affected Palestinian children's cognitive, social and emotional care and development.
- Zealotux 4mo agoIs the killing of five-year-old Hind Rajab, alongside six of her family members, and two paramedics who came to rescue her, also a reach? Please, help me draw the line.
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- mapotofu 4mo agoIt’s still pretty surprising that a country so armed to the teeth with ground troops and missile defense systems would have let Oct 7 happen for as long as it did, and with so many people dying. I agree that it was wrong of Israel to do that.
- n4r9 4mo ago> In October 2025, the ICJ issued an advisory opinion [wikidata] finding that Israel's claims that UNRWA had been infiltrated by Hamas were unsubstantiated. The advisory opinion also said that Israel's decision to end cooperation with UNRWA and restrict humanitarian aid to Gaza breached its obligations under the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter. It furthermore found that Israel's Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was not an adequate substitute, noting that more than 2,100 Palestinians had been killed near its distribution points and that conditions in Gaza had deteriorated to the point that international experts declared a famine in some areas in August. The ICJ further held that the mass transfer or deportation of civilians within occupied territory is prohibited, citing Israeli measures that forced large populations into overcrowded areas and severely restricted UN access. It also ruled that the two Knesset laws ending cooperation with UNRWA in the occupied territories were unlawful, noting that 360 UNRWA staff had been killed during the conflict. The court concluded that Israel, as an occupying power, had unlawfully impeded aid delivery, used starvation as a method of warfare, and failed to respect the immunities of UN personnel and premises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA_and_Israel#International_Court_of_Justice_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA_and_Israel#International...
- Protostome 4mo agothe UN claimed that the UN agency was just fine... no s**.
- n4r9 4mo agoThe ICJ is legally and structurally independent of the UN. What specifically do you disagree with about the advisory opinion?
- mentalgear 4mo agoThis is really sickening - if North Korea or any other less connected country did this, you would quickly see their national (tech) companies being sanctioned by the west. I never understood how a country like Israel, given the history of its own tribe, can themselves become so gruesome and have a hugely state-supported private spy-tech sector that supports the worst autocrates in the world as long as the money flows to them.
- mfru 4mo agoMany many countries got sanctioned into oblivion or color-revolutionized into US-loyalty for far far less (often just for not being aligned with the US). It is even more sickening and outrageous if you view it through that lens.
- iJohnDoe 4mo agoIsrael has had a hand up each US politician’s ass since the 1980s. Israel owns all of them.
- overfeed 4mo agoCareful: AIPAC may call you antisemitic for commenting on their effective lobbying Edit: I wonder if the (predictable) downvoters are following the news https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/22/politics/mamdani-aipac-new-york-primaries https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/22/politics/mamdani-aipac-new-yo...
- Joyfield 4mo agoWait. The Jews really DOES run everything?
- KingMob 4mo agoThey said Israel, not Jews. Don't be antisemitic.
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- mentalgear 4mo agoThe report states they are not bombing military targets, so you can't explain the numbers away just by saying Hamas may recruit children. > Israeli forces continued to use high-payload munitions and weapons with wide-area effects in densely populated residential areas despite mounting child casualties, the commission said.
- isgb 4mo agoOk, first: The author sits on the board of HonestReporting and writes for NGO Monitor, UN Watch, and the Henry Jackson Society. These are pro-Israel media-monitoring and advocacy organisations. It paints Hamas's Ministry of Health as a propaganda machine incapable of an honest number (sure) while Israeli military estimates (the 25,000 combatant figure, al-Ahli) are accepted at face value -- seriously? The IDF has been proven to lie numerous times. Also, the article still relies on the MoH's numbers when it's convenient to the point it's trying to make. The Gaza Mortality Survey, published in The Lancet Global Health in early 2026, run by Michael Spagat who's a war-mortality specialist (Kosovo, Iraq), with a long record of debunking inflated war-death claims, estimated 75,200 violent deaths between Oct 7, 2023 and Jan 5, 2025, which is around 25,000 more than the official Gaza Ministry of Health figure for that period. The Lancet survey found that women, children, and older people comprised 56.2% of violent deaths. An OHCHR analysis separately found that 70% of those killed in residential buildings were women and children. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00522-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-1... Let's see, what else: A ratio of 1.5 civilians per combatant means roughly 40% of all deaths are fighters. If 56% of the dead are women, children, and elderly, then every adult male death would have to be a combatant to reach 40% — which is obviously false. The Washington Institute concluded that the available data cannot yield a civilian-combatant ratio because the MoH doesn't classify combatant status. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fat... The combatants numbers: The 25k combatants figure is an estimate from IDF statements while it dismisses the 8.9k figure (militants the IDF actually identified) as absurd. "Let's make up a number and call the only real documented count" -- and whether it itself is real or not is debatable. Then lies about natural deaths: Yes, there were about 6.3k deaths in Gaza before the genocide started, however it cherry-picks this subtraction while ignoring the corresponding addition. the same surveys that quantify baseline deathhs also find thousands of excess non-violent deaths caused by genocide. The lancet survey has 8.5k excess deaths. The 3.3k confirmed deaths the article cites are below the 6k baseline. Natural deaths are undercounted. Not inflating it. Hamas kiling Gazans: Sure, but thousands? It's overblowing numbers for the al-Ahli hospital case and then extrapolating a bunch of bs as a result. There is a genocide going on. We've seen the footage. We have the testimony about the horrors from both IDF soldiers and Palestinians. Why are we disputing numbers like holocaust deniers?
- isgb 4mo agoThe excuse will be that these are just casualties of war and we'll shrug it off and move on, whereas the imaginary beheaded babies from October 7 are unforgivable and excuse any action on Israel's behalf. Boycott. Divestment. Sanctions. Use any legal means to stop funding this genocide and make Israel's leadership accountable. We all love our comfy white collar jobs and would rather not rock the boat, but not doing the little we can do (e.g. stop using Israeli suppliers and services) makes us supporters.
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- aa-jv 4mo agoIf your state finds that it needs to murder children in its defense then it is a failed state and should be refactored by its citizenry, immediately. Because that which war criminals bring to their victims, they will also - ALWAYS - bring back to their own state. Prosecute your war criminals. Now!
- aristofun 4mo agoPerfect speech, I wish hamas and their 70% supporters in gaza could really hear it
- CrzyLngPwd 4mo agoThe USA, the most powerful nation the world has ever see, is powerless to do anything about it. If the US can't do anything about it, what hope is there for the underfunded UN?
- aa-jv 4mo agoThe USA won't do anything about it because the USA is also guilty of heinous war crimes, crimes against humanity and massive violations of human rights at scale - in fact, it is the worst criminal on the world stage when it comes to un-prosecuted war crimes... so Israel facing justice will only mean that the USA will face the same justice, and we all know that there is nothing more heinous in all the world to an American than to be embarrassed by their state facing justice at the hands of any other international entity. But the terrible tragedy is that this situation is not going to resolve until these countries actually prosecute their war criminals, who have been getting away with it in the current context for 20+ years. Which means the only ones with any power to do anything about the USA/Israels' war criminals, are the citizens of those countries themselves - which is why the situation is just so dire. Until there is a real appetite for prosecuting ones own war criminals instead of bleating like sheep for the blood of perceived enemies of other states, there will not be the moral stance/altitude required for Americans to do anything effective about the war crimes of any other nation. Until Americans prosecute their own war criminals they can do nothing effective about Israels', Russias', Ukraines' war criminals, either ...
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- secretsatan 4mo agoI think powerless is entirely the wrong word as they are actively supplying the arms to do it
- KevinMS 4mo ago[flagged]
- n4r9 4mo agoI condemn the terrorist that stands behind a hostage; I condemn the sniper that takes the shot anyway.
- KevinMS 4mo agowhat if the terrorist is repeatedly launching rockets?
- n4r9 4mo agoArguably, incidental civilian deaths are morally permissible if they constitute the only effective way to achieve reasonable military objectives. In this specific case, the objective is something like "disable Hamas' capacity to attack Israel". It's dubious whether this is achievable with the methods Israel has used so far. By most accounts Hamas is just as large as ever, is reasserting control over Gaza, and is likely to be rebuilding its stockpile.
- mfru 4mo agoThe human shields narrative has long been debunked.
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- josefritzishere 4mo agoFlagging a serious topic like this indicates motive in a way that's unbecoming.
- tastyface 4mo agoSee also this This American Life episode, where doctors visiting Gaza saw a disturbing number of children with direct gunshot wounds to the head and chest: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/859/transcript https://www.thisamericanlife.org/859/transcript
- pvaldes 4mo agoHad seen a testimony of an European doctor coming from Gaza saying that each week or month the hospitals where flooded with young males coming from the humanitarian food queues with a different gunshoot type. There was the month of the knees, the month of head gunshoots, and the month of the young men flooding the hospitals with their testicles blown off, all because they wanted to pick some food for their families.
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- sonrics1611 4mo agoOy vey watcha doin rabbi
- pvaldes 4mo ago> and Hamas shot them Please don't offend our intelligence. Bullets have makers. As I said, I forced myself to read until the end. If you do the same, you'll notice the part about the small titanium fragments lodged on the heads and legs of mutilated toddlers. Fragments that came from "made in USA" grenades. I'm pretty sure that US government is not selling this weapons to Hamas. What Israel has done and keeps doing is beyond evil, but if they think that are smarter than the war criminologists of the planet; If they think that can exit unscathed from this in the end with just a few Jedi mind tricks, they are not just evil, but also extremely dumb and suicidal
- eboy 4mo ago[flagged]
- henry2023 4mo agoEven literal nazis were stopped at some point.
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- pvaldes 4mo agoWere are the UN sanctions on Israel? Still none? UN can go f*k themselves then. Needing so many years to get the courage to say the world genocide, where everybody had seen for years Israel turning little children into little flesh chunks, slowly unfurl in horrid technicolor in world TV, is just another part of the problem. UN is useless.
- ebbi 4mo agoAt this point, we're all useless. The circumstances of little Hind Rajab's death plays on my mind every single day, and haunts me. The fact something as brazen and blatant as that could happen, and the world did nothing. Truly a stain on our generation.
- Schmerika 4mo agoHind Rajab. Sidra Hassouna. Reem and Khaled. The premie babies at Al-Nasr hospital. Over a hundred bombed hospitals. The Irish president's sister kidnapped and abused. Assassinating negotiation teams and scientists. Murders of whole families who dared to speak out to the world. Running over a teenager with their hands zip-tied behind their backs with Caterpillars®. The paramedic massacre in Rafah. The hundreds of journalists. The tens of thousands of children. The doctors raped to death. The people who never get mentioned in these lists of atrocities, buried in mass graves with their children, hands tied. The people dying from n-order effects, slowly, painfully, barely noticed or counted. ... And little/no sanctions from our civilized Western democracies. (Except on the people calling it out, who can't use a credit card or bank any more, or even receive donations.) We are far worse than useless. The stain is set for all time. A reminder for any Americans reading this: 98.15% of 2024 voters chose a Presidential candidate that supported the above.
- ebbi 4mo agoTrue. I have a friend in Southern Lebanon who I met a few years ago at a conference. Our group chat is eerie - we haven't heard from him in over two months. We just don't know how he is, and it's sickening.
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- ThePowerOfFuet 4mo agoPlease don't engage in whataboutism on HN.
- aristofun 4mo agoPosts like this should not be on hn in the first place. Within the given context it is a valid question.
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- Faaak 4mo agoPolitical? What about simply human ?
- Qem 4mo agoLots of tech companies involved in this genocide[1]. Unfortunately tech has bad antecedents, as IBM also supported genocide in WWII[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
- Manuel_D 4mo agoMany of the companies in that list have essentially zero link to the events in Gaza. E.g. a Swiss company that supplies coal to Israel is considered complicit in genocide. Because Israelis having electricity means complicity in genocide, apparently. Hyundai is included because it sells vehicles to Israel, allegedly those machines were used to destroy Palestinian building but the cited source doesn't mention Hyundai: https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-economy-occupation-economy-genocide-report-special-rapporteur https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5923-... Might as well have titled the page "companies that do business with Israel".
- hardbass 4mo agoIt makes sense to me. Of course Israel not having electricity would make it difficult for them to wage war and thus is a valid tactic for someone wishing to curtail their belligerence. And yes, boycotting business with countries is a perfectly normal procedure? It was done to Russia, it was done to South Africa. Where is the problem?
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- gershy 4mo agoI was trying to pay attention to the actual claim and I got: 1. Children died during the ceasefire 2. Israel is using larger bomb payloads than it should (according to who?) in civilian areas 3. Higher percentage of child deaths than in earlier conflicts Still, for me, doesn't add up to "Israel deliberately targetted gaza children" - is the claim that this is systemic? Or rampant? Or just by some individuals? And how do we know?
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- andriy_koval 4mo agoThe claim in report is that Israel deliberately targeted newborn delivery hospitals and similar. I don't think they have proof of "deliberately", I assume hamas people could use those hospitals as potentially safe zones for gathering, weapons stashes, etc.
- Computer0 4mo agoIt's pretty clear Israel systematically kills Palestinian children to those paying attention. According to a public statement by the United Nations, Gaza has the highest number of child amputees per capita in the world. At least 21,289 children have been killed. They starve the population, drive them out of their homes. (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(25)01541-7/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...) This is the modus operandi of the Zionist belief system. It is a colonial settler ideology and they have to eradicate the natives, much like American settlers killed the native people and destroyed their way of life until they could keep them in tiny """sovereign nations""" where they would be crushed if they every truly tried to display any real sense of sovereignty. To be sovereign is to have a government with a monopoly on violence, the "reservations" are occupied.
- lovich 4mo agoI gotta be honest, the phrase “colonial settler ideology” gets an instant eye roll and detracts from the rest of your statements. Most nations on the planet are formed of settlers unless you think there were always Russians in Siberia, or there were always Anglo-Saxons on Albion.
- A_D_E_P_T 4mo agoThere's only one honorable response, and it couldn't be simpler: A complete and immediate arms and dual-use technology embargo of Israel, combined with more general sanctions. South Africa should be the model: Just ostracize them as much as possible. Say what you will about Russia, but Israel can never be self-sufficient, and China (justifiably) appears to despise them, so sanctions and embargoes would be substantially more effective in correcting their behavior. This will never happen, and we know why. It's disgusting. The "enlightened," "liberal" west's principles have never been more clearly on display: "Why should we concern ourselves with the wholesale slaughter of innocent children in a pent-up captive civilian population? Not our problem."
- _menelaus 4mo agoI think the why has more to do with capture of our media and politicians through collusion, bribery and blackmail. Epstein, etc.
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- A_D_E_P_T 4mo agoI'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them. That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future possibilities; if you murder somebody you rob them of everything, including their dignity and every possible future. I'd also argue, and I think that this should be perfectly self-evident, that however a group may have suffered in the past, it does not give them a moral right to impose suffering on others in the present. No such moral right can possibly exist. Isn't "whoever saves one life saves the world entire" supposed to be a Jewish moral teaching? How can this be reconciled with a profound indifference to civilian casualties in captive populations?
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- henry2023 4mo ago“Systematic deliberate targeting of children as policy”. I don’t see why this is controversial. Pro-Palestine people have seen the overwhelming field reports that prove this and Pro-Israel people actually are in favor of targeting these kids because they might grow resentful of Israel and join Hamas.
- talon8635 4mo ago> Pro-Israel people actually are in favor of targeting these kids because they might grow resentful of Israel and join Hamas. I know many in that camp, and this sounds bananas to me.
- olelele 4mo agoLook up snipers taking legs off kids. It’s been reported for a long time.
- henry2023 4mo agoMaybe you don’t know them well enough. If you inquiry about the killed children most agree is sad but ultimately they believe it has to be done.
- hardbass 4mo agoIt's easy to solve that problem. Stop attacking Palestinians and stop stealing land. Unfortunately that is a very difficult problem for Israelis. Its sad that Israelis and their hardware have to be eliminated in combat, but ultimately this is what has to be done to repel them.
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- hashstring 4mo ago> Between October 7, 2023 and October 7, 2025, at least 20,179 children were killed, around 30% of the overall death toll. > A rebuttal shared by Israel's mission in Geneva said Israel "consistently strives to minimize harm to children even in situations of conflict". Well, it is certainly no question that Israel is killing children en masse. Israeli officials are saying “but we are trying to minimize”. Well, these attempts clearly failed given 20,179 fatal cases, and let’s also consider all physically injured and traumatized children. Still, as of today, Israel is killing a child per day in Gaza [1]. So either it is complete incompetence of Israels warfare methods, or it is done on purpose. No matter how you try to frame it, package it: this is not right and Israel should be sanctioned internationally. Fundamentalists rule this nation. Sanction them, no weapon exports and their actions are not aligned with their official rhetoric. Also, October 7, October 7, October 7. Yes, horrible, but at what point does the consensus become that October 7 starts to look like a small event in light of the death toll on the other side? Spoiler: we should be way beyond that. Over 97% of all total casualties are on the Palestinian side [2]. Sanction Israel. [1] https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing-child-day-deadly-illusion-gazas-ceasefire https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war
- olelele 4mo agoThank you for stating the case better than I ever could.
- lovelyviking 3mo agoThank you for swallowing lies so smoothly and better then I ever could or even imagined.
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- borolaj 4mo agoThe under-18 population in the Gaza strip is roughly 47% (according to PCBS). So if deaths fell randomly across the population, children would be ~47% of the dead. They are ~30%. Also the numbers pipeline again runs through Hamas and there is the fact that the UN Council has passed more condemnatory resolutions on Israel than on any other single state (more than Syria, Myanmar, Yemen etc). I am surprised I don't see more nuance on HN.
- amatheus 4mo agoDeaths should not fall randomly across the population unless you’re committing war crimes.
- jameshilliard 4mo agoDeaths in Gaza are very much not random. Adult men have the highest casualties which is what would be expected since Hamas militants are most often adult men, it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well.
- joxdosba 4mo ago> it's well documented that Hamas also uses child soldiers to some degree as well. Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. Israel then murders said children. Obviously Hamas must be to blame for Israeli actions.
- HDThoreaun 4mo agoI mean yea... If youre a child soldier you should expect to be targeted, even if your cause is valiant.
- jameshilliard 4mo ago> Cruel Israeli oppression motivates even children to resist them. More like Hamas/UNRWA schools teach children to be terrorists.
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- Fizz43 4mo agoIts a good strategy for anti western powers to fracture the left and drive up extremism and destabilization.
- manyaoman 4mo agoIt's not just the raw suffering but also the sense of systematic oppression between groups that triggers people. Yemen or Sudan don't get nearly enough attention because most people find those conflicts harder to understand in terms of "good and evil" than the Israel-Palestine conflict.
- tonks 4mo agoWe are bombarded by the suffering because it suits the left self hate narrative and Hamas operatives are always on hand with expensive photography equipment. Palestinian suffering is literally part of their strategy to turn the kids in America against Israel. It's a dumb strategy, but Palestinian society has chosen dumb strategies for nearly a hundred years now. Antizionists will sacrifice an infinite number of Palestinians to its hateful fantasy of destroying Israel.
- hardbass 4mo agoWhat is "self hate" about not liking Israel? Do you think Americans should identify as Israelis? Israel is a foreign country, like any other foreign country.
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- derkan48 4mo agoEven Reuters can not hide this anymore. After years of genocide, UN remembers it, it is something. Now let's see what will be the punishment of this genocide, this is not the first report.
- jokoon 4mo agoDoes Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so. Does Hamas try to maximize civilian casualties with martyrdom? By meshing its combattants with civilians? Yes. The Geneva convention, unfortunately, allows collateral to a certain extent. Hamas also executed gazans several times. Israel does have a very aggressive strategy, but labeling it a genocide doesn't help the Palestinian cause. Words matter.
- manyaoman 4mo ago> Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so. Just curious: is there a (hypothetical) red line that Israel would have to cross for you to be convinced? If not, you're biased.
- sebazzz 4mo agoIntent is hard to prove if it is not published.
- t0mpr1c3 4mo agoYour advice to change how people talk about the dead children does indeed seem motivated, but not to "help the Palestinian cause".
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- throwawayb2025 4mo agoJust curious to know what is acceptable proportionate response for: 1. What was done on October 7? Assuming that some kind of response from Israel was acceptable. 2. Against Israel for what Israel is doing now? Assuming that Israel is over reacting. Maybe if we can come with a framework for what is acceptable, world can force certain behavior. Edited for formatting.
- tonks 4mo agoIt's always analysis of Israel's response and zero soul searching on the Palestinian side.
- throwawayb2025 4mo agoDidn't understand your point. Point 2 was for suffering of Palestinian. What is the appropriate response that should be given to Israel for what they did post October 7.
- HDThoreaun 4mo agoOct 7th was a border security failure. The appropriate response was reinforcing the border and ensuring that gazans cant escape. Letting the gazans out was one of the biggest security blunders of the 21st century. Israel knew the government of gaza wants israel wiped off the map, this stuff isnt a surprise or anything. Israel absolutely had the capability of keeping the gazans in, they blew it. I see that this is close to victim blaming, but the thing is that both sides are victims here, all the arguments involve victim blaming. Israel already tried occupying gaza, they knew it doesnt work and would just make things worse. Arguments can certainly be made about the hostages, but I think its clear that the gazan war was not really about the hostages.
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