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Valve gets it. I very much want to support them and vote with my wallet. Unfortunately the Steam machine isn't a good fit for me. I will buy the frame in a h

Valve gets it. I very much want to support them and vote with my wallet. Unfortunately the Steam machine isn't a good fit for me. I will buy the frame in a heartbeat though. HMD with a FOSS OS? That's in its own class.

cryptoegorophy 4mo ago
One can still be a billionaire and not use shady tactics.
- __MatrixMan__ 4mo ago
  For at least a short while. I'm not sure it's a stable configuration.
- bnlxbnlx 4mo ago
  unfortunately, not that straightforward in valve's case. they created a nasty gambling system with their loot boxes that exists outside controlled casino environments and which impacts young adults a lot.
  - HDBaseT 4mo ago
    The systems in Counter Strike are some of the least abusive in all of gaming. Open up Roblox and see the sheer amount of loot boxes via Robux with Pay 2 Win items, battle passes, daily rewards, etc. Counter Strike meanwhile has item skins which don't impact the game. They aren't more OP, in fact, most of the time they give you a disadvantage. Counter Strike is an 18+ game. Kids shouldn't be on this anyways.
    - ok_dad 4mo ago
      The problem with visual only loot boxes is that people will pay for rare skins and so everyone still gambles on that stuff. I don’t know if they solved that, used to be you’d buy the keys to unlock them and hope to profit from selling a skin. Adults should also be protected against dark patterns like this.
    - Loocid 4mo ago
      Being the lesser of two evils doesn't make it right. It's also possible to not have loot boxes at all.
      - protocolture 4mo ago
        The "lesser" of 2 evils here isnt practicing evil?
        ondiendkendkw 4mo ago
        Loot boxes are, by any and all definitions, evil. It’s gambling. Worse even, it’s gambling with real money over digital ephemera. Loot boxes are not a fun mechanic. Loot boxes are not designed to entertain you or give you good value for your money. Loot boxes only exist to make you gamble with your money over something that could easily be sold as a single purchase item, or better yet, be rewarded in-game. Simple as that. It’s a gambling scheme. Always has been. Always will be.
        protocolture 4mo ago
        Gambling is a game mechanic. It can be evil. But if its restricted to non game affecting items for people over the age of 18 it isnt evil. Its completely optional. I remember playing CS:GO and ignoring the loot boxes until fridays in the afternoon when my mate would come online and we would crack a couple together and put our new stickers on our guns.
    - cylemons 4mo ago
      To clarify, the loot boxes in Roblox are game specific. The platform itself just has the catalog where you buy stuff directly But still, Roblox should do a better job regulating the games on its platform
socalgal2 4mo ago
Color AR is a thing Frame doesn't support so sadly it's behind the times and I can't go back
- starvit35 4mo ago
  genuinely what do you use AR for? I see alot of people saying this same thing. I don't have any VR/AR experience as the frame will be my first VR headset
  - submain 4mo ago
    Not op, but I use it for seeing the joystick + throttle and the "real" instruments in flight simulator.
  - amoshi 4mo ago
    Virtual boxing with friends (Thrill of the Fight 2). AR allows me to see my room instead of some virtual ring so there's less risk of hitting walls or furniture
    - Rohansi 4mo ago
      It has cameras so you should still be able to see everything, just not in color because the cameras are monochrome.
- neilpointer 4mo ago
  wasn't it strongly implied that things like that would be enabled via the expansion port and aftermarket products? I would not be surprised to see color AR within a year of launch
- uejfiweun 4mo ago
  If I may ask, what devices would you consider to be "with the times"? If there's some dope AR headset that I don't know about, I'd love to learn more.
  - 4mo ago
valicord 4mo ago
And yet Steam Controller somehow only works with Steam...
- Rohansi 4mo ago
  Would you rather have it degrade to the functionality of an Xbox 360 controller without Steam? That's the best they could do without all games including support for the controller (latest SDL3 has it).
  - numberQ 4mo ago
    > Would you rather have it degrade to the functionality of an Xbox 360 controller without Steam? Yes? What's wrong with that? Then it's at least usable.
    - pbmonster 4mo ago
      Not really. Can't really map a touchpad as an analog stick. Can't map a gyro as a joystick. Can't take XBox rumble and map it to the Steam Controllers haptic feedback. Can you hack it together in theory, get something working but making sacrifices left and right? Sure. But why would Valve want to do that? Use experience would be incredibly bad. But give it time. There will be a standalone driver for Windows eventually, either from Valve or from the community.
      - mateuszf 4mo ago
        It's possible already. Using an open source app called PadForge. I've setup a profile that works without steam and emulates xbox360 pad. I've used it without problems in Forza Horizon 6 which is an UWP / PC Game Pass game, also in various emulators. https://padforge.org https://padforge.org
    - Rohansi 4mo ago
      Usable sure, but then why did you get a Steam Controller if not to make use of the additional inputs?
B-Con 4mo ago
Even though I balked at the Steam Deck prices on the recent inventory restock, as they were up ~30% presumably due to the same hardware shortages, I got one anyway. Prices won't drop anytime soon and if any for-profit organization has earned my loyalty, its Valve. When I used it I was somewhat incredulous that I could simply exit Steam mode have an actual Linux desktop environment, where I could literally do what I wanted. It was my computer, a proper general purpose computing machine, and it was (willingly* in my control. No sneaky root needed.

cryptoegorophy 4mo ago

One can still be a billionaire and not use shady tactics.

__MatrixMan__ 4mo ago
For at least a short while. I'm not sure it's a stable configuration.
bnlxbnlx 4mo ago
unfortunately, not that straightforward in valve's case. they created a nasty gambling system with their loot boxes that exists outside controlled casino environments and which impacts young adults a lot.
- HDBaseT 4mo ago
  The systems in Counter Strike are some of the least abusive in all of gaming. Open up Roblox and see the sheer amount of loot boxes via Robux with Pay 2 Win items, battle passes, daily rewards, etc. Counter Strike meanwhile has item skins which don't impact the game. They aren't more OP, in fact, most of the time they give you a disadvantage. Counter Strike is an 18+ game. Kids shouldn't be on this anyways.
  - ok_dad 4mo ago
    The problem with visual only loot boxes is that people will pay for rare skins and so everyone still gambles on that stuff. I don’t know if they solved that, used to be you’d buy the keys to unlock them and hope to profit from selling a skin. Adults should also be protected against dark patterns like this.
  - Loocid 4mo ago
    Being the lesser of two evils doesn't make it right. It's also possible to not have loot boxes at all.
    - protocolture 4mo ago
      The "lesser" of 2 evils here isnt practicing evil?
      - ondiendkendkw 4mo ago
        Loot boxes are, by any and all definitions, evil. It’s gambling. Worse even, it’s gambling with real money over digital ephemera. Loot boxes are not a fun mechanic. Loot boxes are not designed to entertain you or give you good value for your money. Loot boxes only exist to make you gamble with your money over something that could easily be sold as a single purchase item, or better yet, be rewarded in-game. Simple as that. It’s a gambling scheme. Always has been. Always will be.
        protocolture 4mo ago
        Gambling is a game mechanic. It can be evil. But if its restricted to non game affecting items for people over the age of 18 it isnt evil. Its completely optional. I remember playing CS:GO and ignoring the loot boxes until fridays in the afternoon when my mate would come online and we would crack a couple together and put our new stickers on our guns.
  - cylemons 4mo ago
    To clarify, the loot boxes in Roblox are game specific. The platform itself just has the catalog where you buy stuff directly But still, Roblox should do a better job regulating the games on its platform

socalgal2 4mo ago

Color AR is a thing Frame doesn't support so sadly it's behind the times and I can't go back

starvit35 4mo ago
genuinely what do you use AR for? I see alot of people saying this same thing. I don't have any VR/AR experience as the frame will be my first VR headset
- submain 4mo ago
  Not op, but I use it for seeing the joystick + throttle and the "real" instruments in flight simulator.
- amoshi 4mo ago
  Virtual boxing with friends (Thrill of the Fight 2). AR allows me to see my room instead of some virtual ring so there's less risk of hitting walls or furniture
  - Rohansi 4mo ago
    It has cameras so you should still be able to see everything, just not in color because the cameras are monochrome.
neilpointer 4mo ago
wasn't it strongly implied that things like that would be enabled via the expansion port and aftermarket products? I would not be surprised to see color AR within a year of launch
uejfiweun 4mo ago
If I may ask, what devices would you consider to be "with the times"? If there's some dope AR headset that I don't know about, I'd love to learn more.
- 4mo ago

valicord 4mo ago

And yet Steam Controller somehow only works with Steam...

Rohansi 4mo ago
Would you rather have it degrade to the functionality of an Xbox 360 controller without Steam? That's the best they could do without all games including support for the controller (latest SDL3 has it).
- numberQ 4mo ago
  > Would you rather have it degrade to the functionality of an Xbox 360 controller without Steam? Yes? What's wrong with that? Then it's at least usable.
  - pbmonster 4mo ago
    Not really. Can't really map a touchpad as an analog stick. Can't map a gyro as a joystick. Can't take XBox rumble and map it to the Steam Controllers haptic feedback. Can you hack it together in theory, get something working but making sacrifices left and right? Sure. But why would Valve want to do that? Use experience would be incredibly bad. But give it time. There will be a standalone driver for Windows eventually, either from Valve or from the community.
    - mateuszf 4mo ago
      It's possible already. Using an open source app called PadForge. I've setup a profile that works without steam and emulates xbox360 pad. I've used it without problems in Forza Horizon 6 which is an UWP / PC Game Pass game, also in various emulators. https://padforge.org https://padforge.org
  - Rohansi 4mo ago
    Usable sure, but then why did you get a Steam Controller if not to make use of the additional inputs?

B-Con 4mo ago

Even though I balked at the Steam Deck prices on the recent inventory restock, as they were up ~30% presumably due to the same hardware shortages, I got one anyway. Prices won't drop anytime soon and if any for-profit organization has earned my loyalty, its Valve. When I used it I was somewhat incredulous that I could simply exit Steam mode have an actual Linux desktop environment, where I could literally do what I wanted. It was my computer, a proper general purpose computing machine, and it was (willingly* in my control. No sneaky root needed.