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by eyevz 4mo ago

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isodev 4mo ago
You mean the made up idea of immigration as a problem? Sure. What Brits probably want more is to rejoin the EU, get back some leverage on the world scene and dig themselves our of the brexit hole
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- 1dom 4mo ago
  I don't think it's a made up idea that immigration is a problem, some people clearly, definitely consider it a problem, and it can cause problems. But it's a problem that's been heavily worked on recently and has had a lot of success in solving in the UK over the past 2 years. This is why it's completely barmy to suggest the average brit is fed up of immigration now, and I'm not sure why many people pointing that out are being heavily downvoted.
refurb 4mo ago
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- bigyabai 4mo ago
  As an American, I can assure you that policy issues and corporate meddling are in fact not mutually exclusive.
  - refurb 4mo ago
    I think you missed the point. Claiming legitimate voter unhappiness with some sort of conspiracy of foreign actors, is Politics 101. It's massive spin. They have citizens rioting on their streets and yet somehow claim it's nefarious foreign actors.
throwyawayyyy 4mo ago
There's being fed up with something and there's fomenting civil war. The huge wave of immigration, which has since subsided, happened under the Tories.
croon 4mo ago
Who/what is the "establishment"?
SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago
That seems like an inadequate explanation of why Elon Musk, who is not a Brit, is investing so much time and energy into this issue.
- TrackerFF 4mo ago
  It is easier when that is the zeitgeist. If every other country in Europe has the same thing going on, it becomes easier to campaign on that sort of stuff. Suddenly the extreme parties don't seem that extreme, and people start to question whether or not previously extreme opinions are that extreme anymore.
  - dzhiurgis 4mo ago
    Not so extreme anymore. Extreme was the status quo. Even Sweden has introduced a new law against misbehaving immigrants (before you'd be risking your job just by speaking about the issue) just few days ago - https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-passes-good-behaviour-law-kick-out-misbehaving-immigrants-2026-06-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-passes-good-behaviour-l...
1dom 4mo ago
As a brit, I can confirm I am not at all fed up with immigration. Your comment is unnecessary, unsubstantiated, doesn't add anything to the discussion and is just going to cause arguments in its current form.
- Dig1t 4mo ago
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  - 1dom 4mo ago
    The most likely candidates are places like Bradford and Birmingham, which are still - according to wikipedia - 60%+ white british, that's without even considering british asian or other people born in and native to the UK. Again, sorry, I can't find any sources to support your facts here, maybe I looked in a different place to you, so perhaps you could share your sources?
    - lawlorino 4mo ago
      I’m not taking sides on the wider argument here, but I think it’s you who should check your sources? Copy pasting direct from wikipedia: > The city of Bradford is 45.8% White according to the latest 2021 census data, with the White British population being 40.5%. 45.3% of the city's population is Asian, primarily from the Pakistani community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford > According to figures from the 2021 census, 48.7% of the population was White (42.9% White British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham
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      - 1dom 4mo ago
        I'll take the bradford example and lazily assume Birmingham is the same. Bradford Ethnicity (2021 Census)[89] Ethnic group Population % White 333,850 61.6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford#Demography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford#Demography The difference we're seeing in numbers here is because the centres of cities are historically have a higher number of immigrants. Fortunately, ONS did a specific report on "Bradford", which is the source for the wikipedia page I cited. The source link was broken on wiki, here it is though: https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E08000032/ https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E080... Which also concludes: "In the latest census, around 437,800 Bradford residents said they were born in England. This represented 80.1% of the local population." I chose Bradford because it's locally referred to (pejoratively, not by me) as "Bradistan". But despite that, according to ONS, 30% cite Muslim as their religion, which is more than "no religion" at 28%, but still lower than Christianity, at 34% I encourage you to go check the sources for your sources, like I should have done (and you forced me to). If you look at this debate with an open mind, I believe you will find the majority of us rightly don't feel represented by the statement "Brits are legitimately fed up with immigration" any more. My bias' are that I'll almost always be pro immigration, within reason, but I completely recognise there have been times over the past 10 years where I've felt that position has been legitimately hard to defend. Now is not one of those times The real issue is that every single time someone or something suggests immigration is a problem in the UK, it can trivially be reframed as an inequality issue. To get back to the original topic, I think beneficiaries of inequality - like certain big tech players - are strongly motivated to keep the general public blaming anyone other than them for the problems caused by inequality. edit: I just understood the census page a bit more, it's a generic report by area. You can put Birmingham in there too. It says basically the same: the overwhelming majority of residents are UK born and Christian or of no religion. Yes this is changing, slowly, like the world and populations change, slowly - not at a new or concerning rate.
10xDev 4mo ago
Immigration has dramatically gone down in the past few years. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo... (figure 2) I think the real problem people are having is that a large amount of those immigrants are now no longer from the EU. But you have Brexit to blame for that.
- graemep 4mo ago
  If people prefer unskilled EU immigration to skilled non-EU immigration its says something about them. People had a problem with EU immigration before Brexit so I do not think that is it. I think most of the problem people have is with is to illegal immigration. The sentiment is "stop the boats". There are bizarre things happening in the asylum system. Do we need to consider claims made by people from the EU or the US? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/18/eu-citizens-handed-asylum-benefits/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/18/eu-citizens-hand... That is an extreme but there are lots of claims by people from safe countries.
  - 10xDev 4mo ago
    Small boat arrivals and asylum applications are down and deportations are up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo Hard to complain here with the current trajectory.
    - graemep 4mo ago
      I know, but the people complaining about immigration do not. I partly blame the media and social media, and partly politicians focus on net migration numbers.
- sefrost 4mo ago
  A) people had an issue with immigration when it was mostly from the EU as well, one of the main drivers of Brexit B) leaving the EU did not mean that non-EU migration had to go up C) immigration going down for one or two years doesn’t change the fact that millions of people are in the UK that most British people didn’t want to enter in the first place over a period of 15+ years D) net immigration going down still means lots of people are entering the UK from elsewhere, while people from the same culture (ie grew up in the UK) are leaving which still changes the culture of the country Note: I’m not saying I personally agree with any of those points but it’s clear what the issues are if you’re prepared to listen. There is opinion polling on all of this.
jeffbee 4mo ago
Imagine the irony of Northern Ireland getting mad over immigration.
- graemep 4mo ago
  Another way of looking at it is that they have been mad over it for centuries.
haemdahl 4mo ago
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kjkjadksj 4mo ago
If they are fed up with immigration they are stupid. “Gee we have declining birth rates and we want to deny this pool of labor that might correct course because they are brown.” The american empire was built on easy immigration. Turns out the tired and poor that we took in can build empires and win europe’s major wars for them.
- 10xDev 4mo ago
  The job market has imploded and the economy hasn't been growing since 2008. There definitely needs to be a cap.
  - kjkjadksj 4mo ago
    If only there were more customers to grow markets! Hmm I wonder how that could be done…
    - 10xDev 4mo ago
      You are not going to get more customers with higher house prices or through greater youth unemployment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm203nn7lzro https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm203nn7lzro
      - kjkjadksj 4mo ago
        Prices are high from zoning preventing the market to build to meet demand.
- whatevaa 4mo ago
  Immigration is a duct tape solution to fixing things at this point. It is not going to build you an empire today.
  - mcphage 4mo ago
    > It is not going to build you an empire today. Maybe, but lack of it will definitely lose you one.
Herring 4mo ago
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cyanydeez 4mo ago
well, first, you need to filter out the foreign influence before you tell people "Brits" and then you also need to adjust your history of brits importing immigrants from their colonies. After you do that, then people might listen to you.
archagon 4mo ago
That’s on you to prove. Is this an “obvious” truth? Or is it just the narrative spun by the fascists and fear-mongers who, incidentally, own some of the biggest media platforms in existence? Today, a man stabbed four people in islamophobic rage: a ghastly crime. Where are the riots in protest of racist UK natives? How many Brits do you know?

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by eyevz 4mo ago

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You mean the made up idea of immigration as a problem? Sure. What Brits probably want more is to rejoin the EU, get back some leverage on the world scene and dig themselves our of the brexit hole

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1dom 4mo ago
I don't think it's a made up idea that immigration is a problem, some people clearly, definitely consider it a problem, and it can cause problems. But it's a problem that's been heavily worked on recently and has had a lot of success in solving in the UK over the past 2 years. This is why it's completely barmy to suggest the average brit is fed up of immigration now, and I'm not sure why many people pointing that out are being heavily downvoted.

refurb 4mo ago

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bigyabai 4mo ago
As an American, I can assure you that policy issues and corporate meddling are in fact not mutually exclusive.
- refurb 4mo ago
  I think you missed the point. Claiming legitimate voter unhappiness with some sort of conspiracy of foreign actors, is Politics 101. It's massive spin. They have citizens rioting on their streets and yet somehow claim it's nefarious foreign actors.

throwyawayyyy 4mo ago

There's being fed up with something and there's fomenting civil war. The huge wave of immigration, which has since subsided, happened under the Tories.

croon 4mo ago

Who/what is the "establishment"?

SpicyLemonZest 4mo ago

That seems like an inadequate explanation of why Elon Musk, who is not a Brit, is investing so much time and energy into this issue.

TrackerFF 4mo ago
It is easier when that is the zeitgeist. If every other country in Europe has the same thing going on, it becomes easier to campaign on that sort of stuff. Suddenly the extreme parties don't seem that extreme, and people start to question whether or not previously extreme opinions are that extreme anymore.
- dzhiurgis 4mo ago
  Not so extreme anymore. Extreme was the status quo. Even Sweden has introduced a new law against misbehaving immigrants (before you'd be risking your job just by speaking about the issue) just few days ago - https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-passes-good-behaviour-law-kick-out-misbehaving-immigrants-2026-06-15/ https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-passes-good-behaviour-l...

1dom 4mo ago

As a brit, I can confirm I am not at all fed up with immigration. Your comment is unnecessary, unsubstantiated, doesn't add anything to the discussion and is just going to cause arguments in its current form.

Dig1t 4mo ago
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- 1dom 4mo ago
  The most likely candidates are places like Bradford and Birmingham, which are still - according to wikipedia - 60%+ white british, that's without even considering british asian or other people born in and native to the UK. Again, sorry, I can't find any sources to support your facts here, maybe I looked in a different place to you, so perhaps you could share your sources?
  - lawlorino 4mo ago
    I’m not taking sides on the wider argument here, but I think it’s you who should check your sources? Copy pasting direct from wikipedia: > The city of Bradford is 45.8% White according to the latest 2021 census data, with the White British population being 40.5%. 45.3% of the city's population is Asian, primarily from the Pakistani community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford > According to figures from the 2021 census, 48.7% of the population was White (42.9% White British https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham
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    - 1dom 4mo ago
      I'll take the bradford example and lazily assume Birmingham is the same. Bradford Ethnicity (2021 Census)[89] Ethnic group Population % White 333,850 61.6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford#Demography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford#Demography The difference we're seeing in numbers here is because the centres of cities are historically have a higher number of immigrants. Fortunately, ONS did a specific report on "Bradford", which is the source for the wikipedia page I cited. The source link was broken on wiki, here it is though: https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E08000032/ https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/censusareachanges/E080... Which also concludes: "In the latest census, around 437,800 Bradford residents said they were born in England. This represented 80.1% of the local population." I chose Bradford because it's locally referred to (pejoratively, not by me) as "Bradistan". But despite that, according to ONS, 30% cite Muslim as their religion, which is more than "no religion" at 28%, but still lower than Christianity, at 34% I encourage you to go check the sources for your sources, like I should have done (and you forced me to). If you look at this debate with an open mind, I believe you will find the majority of us rightly don't feel represented by the statement "Brits are legitimately fed up with immigration" any more. My bias' are that I'll almost always be pro immigration, within reason, but I completely recognise there have been times over the past 10 years where I've felt that position has been legitimately hard to defend. Now is not one of those times The real issue is that every single time someone or something suggests immigration is a problem in the UK, it can trivially be reframed as an inequality issue. To get back to the original topic, I think beneficiaries of inequality - like certain big tech players - are strongly motivated to keep the general public blaming anyone other than them for the problems caused by inequality. edit: I just understood the census page a bit more, it's a generic report by area. You can put Birmingham in there too. It says basically the same: the overwhelming majority of residents are UK born and Christian or of no religion. Yes this is changing, slowly, like the world and populations change, slowly - not at a new or concerning rate.

10xDev 4mo ago

Immigration has dramatically gone down in the past few years. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo... (figure 2) I think the real problem people are having is that a large amount of those immigrants are now no longer from the EU. But you have Brexit to blame for that.

graemep 4mo ago
If people prefer unskilled EU immigration to skilled non-EU immigration its says something about them. People had a problem with EU immigration before Brexit so I do not think that is it. I think most of the problem people have is with is to illegal immigration. The sentiment is "stop the boats". There are bizarre things happening in the asylum system. Do we need to consider claims made by people from the EU or the US? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/18/eu-citizens-handed-asylum-benefits/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/18/eu-citizens-hand... That is an extreme but there are lots of claims by people from safe countries.
- 10xDev 4mo ago
  Small boat arrivals and asylum applications are down and deportations are up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70989jrdweo Hard to complain here with the current trajectory.
  - graemep 4mo ago
    I know, but the people complaining about immigration do not. I partly blame the media and social media, and partly politicians focus on net migration numbers.
sefrost 4mo ago
A) people had an issue with immigration when it was mostly from the EU as well, one of the main drivers of Brexit B) leaving the EU did not mean that non-EU migration had to go up C) immigration going down for one or two years doesn’t change the fact that millions of people are in the UK that most British people didn’t want to enter in the first place over a period of 15+ years D) net immigration going down still means lots of people are entering the UK from elsewhere, while people from the same culture (ie grew up in the UK) are leaving which still changes the culture of the country Note: I’m not saying I personally agree with any of those points but it’s clear what the issues are if you’re prepared to listen. There is opinion polling on all of this.

jeffbee 4mo ago

Imagine the irony of Northern Ireland getting mad over immigration.

graemep 4mo ago
Another way of looking at it is that they have been mad over it for centuries.

haemdahl 4mo ago

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kjkjadksj 4mo ago

If they are fed up with immigration they are stupid. “Gee we have declining birth rates and we want to deny this pool of labor that might correct course because they are brown.” The american empire was built on easy immigration. Turns out the tired and poor that we took in can build empires and win europe’s major wars for them.

10xDev 4mo ago
The job market has imploded and the economy hasn't been growing since 2008. There definitely needs to be a cap.
- kjkjadksj 4mo ago
  If only there were more customers to grow markets! Hmm I wonder how that could be done…
  - 10xDev 4mo ago
    You are not going to get more customers with higher house prices or through greater youth unemployment. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm203nn7lzro https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm203nn7lzro
    - kjkjadksj 4mo ago
      Prices are high from zoning preventing the market to build to meet demand.
whatevaa 4mo ago
Immigration is a duct tape solution to fixing things at this point. It is not going to build you an empire today.
- mcphage 4mo ago
  > It is not going to build you an empire today. Maybe, but lack of it will definitely lose you one.

Herring 4mo ago

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cyanydeez 4mo ago

well, first, you need to filter out the foreign influence before you tell people "Brits" and then you also need to adjust your history of brits importing immigrants from their colonies. After you do that, then people might listen to you.

archagon 4mo ago

That’s on you to prove. Is this an “obvious” truth? Or is it just the narrative spun by the fascists and fear-mongers who, incidentally, own some of the biggest media platforms in existence? Today, a man stabbed four people in islamophobic rage: a ghastly crime. Where are the riots in protest of racist UK natives? How many Brits do you know?