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Wow. What could possibly have caused him to quit so soon after coming back? I hope this is not accurate but I'm afraid it is: https://x.com/signulll/status/206
by gniv 4mo ago
Wow. What could possibly have caused him to quit so soon after coming back?
I hope this is not accurate but I'm afraid it is: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273 https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273
- Insanity 4mo agoIf I had to make a guess, money played a role lol.
- karmasimida 4mo agoHe is close or already a billionaire, not sure much more money will be do much heavy-lifting
- efficax 4mo agoyou'd be surprised! people seem to have a limitless appetite for that money stuff. they just can't get enough of it, i've found
- eloisant 4mo agoMost are happy and stop at multimillionaires, but of course we don't hear about them. The focus on hungry billionaires is survivor bias. We don't hear about Tom from MySpace.
- VirusNewbie 4mo agoHow much money do you have? or are you just commenting from the peanut gallery?
- efficax 4mo agoi’ve got 300k in a 401k, 50k in cash and i earn 230k pretax. i’m not sure what the point of the question is tho
- brcmthrowaway 4mo agoYou're doing well, but what of you want to buy a house?
- VirusNewbie 4mo agoMy point is you and I are still working for money because we want things/security etc.. I really don't get the sense that people who have tens or hundres of millions of dollars are doing it cause they need more money. It's other things that motivate people. I run into people in my workplace that just enjoy it, even though they're sitting on 20M. All those engineers making 20M a year at Anthropic and OpenAI are going to back down to normal super high comp of 700k a year after their starter grants run out, and yes many will quit but the people who stay aren't moving the needle on their finances that much.
- tedd4u 4mo agoI know some pretty wealthy people. They are very aware of those who are 10x wealthier than them. If Noam has 1B, he is probably pretty aware of those that have 10B. He's met them and seen their properties, scope, and powers. Likewise, they are thinking about those that have 100B, and those are thinking about Elon, who now has "four commas."
- yablak 4mo agoThat's not really Noam's style
- petra 4mo agoFor many business people, money is just a measure of status after becoming rich. Maybe Noam measures status differently.
- peanuty1 4mo agoHe left Character.ai for money.
- er4hn 4mo agosignull is more of an anonymous sh*tposter than a known industry insider, but I think this does capture the sama contribution to OpenAI very well. At least from an outsider who follows this stuff based on vibes.
- thewebguyd 4mo agoThat twitter story isn't anything unique to OpenAI or Google, it's just classic "big public corp vs private startup" culture. Once you have to worry about the SEC, shareholders, antitrust, regulations, lawsuits, etc. it's very, very difficult to avoid turning into "big corp" culture. Sama, and any other founder, will always have a difficult fight against bureaucracy, and once you let a little bit in, the bureaucracy's sole purpose becomes to grow itself.
- electriclove 4mo agoGoogle and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over.
- quentindanjou 4mo agoI disagree. It's not about the culling, it has never been, and actually, it makes things worse. You spend countless hours and tons of money recruiting talented people not to lay them off because you don't want a bureaucratic org. If the issue is inefficiency, tons of meetings, too much team alignment etc, then that's the issue that you need to tackle, and these issues can already appear in a 50-100 employee company. Sure, that's an easy problem to solve with a smaller size but unless you hired people for no reason, these people have a very specific set of problems to tackle and are often, in these companies, the best in class to tackle them, culling half of the company isn't going to make things better. (And X rehired part of the laid-off engineers)
- zipy124 4mo agoThat depends who you are firing. There are many job roles who's primary output is meetings and documents. What percentage of Google employees are engineers...
- tyre 4mo agogoing to go with "money" and a lot of BS from altman
- afavour 4mo agohttps://nitter.net/signulll/status/2067446889956430273 https://nitter.net/signulll/status/2067446889956430273 for those who don't want to click the above
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- throwa356262 4mo agoThank you, I quit twitter 8 years ago and generally avoid twitter links. Someone should write a bot to do this automatically. What is the HN policy on bots?
- kelvinjps10 4mo agothere is the extension libredirect that automatically can redirect to nitter
- nkg 4mo agoThat was hilarious and sad.
- busymom0 4mo agoThis reads like an episode of Silicon Valley. I wish that show was rebooted, they'd have so much funny material nowadays.
- jmaw 4mo agoGilfoyle was really ahead of the times with Son of Anton.
- cubano 4mo agoYour dream may be only a prompt away.
- beng-nl 4mo agoI loved that show. The love that went into it really shows. Sadly the gap between reality and satire has shrunk. But yes. I also wish that show would come back. Noam shazeer would be google head dreamer
- HarHarVeryFunny 4mo agoThe gap between reality and satire was apparently already very small back when the the show was written. The creator, Mike Judge (who also created Beavis & Butthead, and Idiocracy) had worked in Silicon Valley as a developer and based the show on what he saw. Apparently it was very popular with SV insiders precisely because it was so accurate.
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- rgreasons 4mo agoThanks for this. I will be thinking about “we can create a permission working group” for a long time.
- sbochins 4mo agoI’m convinced this is 90% of the way this actually played out.