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> just a matter of finding 5 billion people willing to pay US prices This is how you know ads are inevitable. YouTube is probably a good indicator of how BigLa

> just a matter of finding 5 billion people willing to pay US prices This is how you know ads are inevitable. YouTube is probably a good indicator of how BigLabs will operate for free users.

qntmfred 4mo ago
I'd be cool with that. YouTube premium is one of the best value subscriptions I have. Steering people toward paying instead of ads-by-default is a net good imo
- dogecoinbase 4mo ago
  I think we can all understand the ways in which embedded advertisement in LLMs will be fundamentally different than view-based advertisement.
  - qntmfred 4mo ago
    the AI providers will experiment with sustainable ad models and users will demand transparency and responsibility. An equilibrium will be reached, I'm sure.
    - thorbutt 4mo ago
      The AI providers will experiment on their users, and keep going until they lose users It'll be like Facebook; they're not losing money but it's awful to use
  - layer8 4mo ago
    Maybe this will fly in the US, but I don’t think it will in the EU and other places, with regard to laws making covert advertising illegal. There’s also the difficulty of proving to the advertising clients that the advertising actually takes place (and how much of it), if it is covert.
- turkeyboi 4mo ago
  You do realize that adblockers work, right?
mikgp 4mo ago
What is the mental model folks have that “just do ads” is easy, like only two companies have figured out how to make money from ads and I imagine they won’t take the competition lying down.
krupan 4mo ago
My coworker is already seeing ads while using ChatGPT
- DANmode 4mo ago
  Some people aren’t?
- weavie 4mo ago
  What kind of ads would you expect to see? "Hey, you're asking a lot of questions about Postgres lately. Have you considered moving to Oracle?"
marcosdumay 4mo ago
Yes, their numbers can even work out into a sustainable business with ads only. They just have to become the world dominant LLM provider by a large margin, and become a high-value ad provider with world scale. I mean... They just have to repeat a Google. That would make them sustainable and a reasonable value for the investment.

> just a matter of finding 5 billion people willing to pay US prices This is how you know ads are inevitable. YouTube is probably a good indicator of how BigLabs will operate for free users.

qntmfred 4mo ago

I'd be cool with that. YouTube premium is one of the best value subscriptions I have. Steering people toward paying instead of ads-by-default is a net good imo

dogecoinbase 4mo ago
I think we can all understand the ways in which embedded advertisement in LLMs will be fundamentally different than view-based advertisement.
- qntmfred 4mo ago
  the AI providers will experiment with sustainable ad models and users will demand transparency and responsibility. An equilibrium will be reached, I'm sure.
  - thorbutt 4mo ago
    The AI providers will experiment on their users, and keep going until they lose users It'll be like Facebook; they're not losing money but it's awful to use
- layer8 4mo ago
  Maybe this will fly in the US, but I don’t think it will in the EU and other places, with regard to laws making covert advertising illegal. There’s also the difficulty of proving to the advertising clients that the advertising actually takes place (and how much of it), if it is covert.
turkeyboi 4mo ago
You do realize that adblockers work, right?

mikgp 4mo ago

What is the mental model folks have that “just do ads” is easy, like only two companies have figured out how to make money from ads and I imagine they won’t take the competition lying down.

krupan 4mo ago

My coworker is already seeing ads while using ChatGPT

DANmode 4mo ago
Some people aren’t?
weavie 4mo ago
What kind of ads would you expect to see? "Hey, you're asking a lot of questions about Postgres lately. Have you considered moving to Oracle?"

marcosdumay 4mo ago

Yes, their numbers can even work out into a sustainable business with ads only. They just have to become the world dominant LLM provider by a large margin, and become a high-value ad provider with world scale. I mean... They just have to repeat a Google. That would make them sustainable and a reasonable value for the investment.