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Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?
by bbbrad 4mo ago
Read the article, but I'm still not seeing why the U.S. is pulling these sensors. Anyone have any insight?
- ezfe 4mo agoBecause they're scientific instruments to collect data
- square_usual 4mo agoSpecifically climate data, which can be used to argue for climate change action.
- tetha 4mo agoAs the old joke went, the easiest way to not have detected covid cases in the country is to stop testing. Very simple, very effective.
- warkdarrior 4mo agoNot an actual joke, this was Trump's idea during his first term.
- jermaustin1 4mo agoAnd not old... literally only 6 years ago.
- Sabinus 4mo agoAnother one was when the popular perception was that Obama did more drone strikes than Trump did. In fact, Trump had authorised more than Obama did. Trump had just stopped the reporting of the drone strikes.
- dionian 4mo ago[flagged]
- SilverElfin 4mo agoIt’s to avoid collecting data that would point to major climate change issues. Things like disruption of currents that circulate across oceans. It’s really a dishonest move. We already paid to have this network of sensors, and they’re supposed to run for another 20 years. Instead they will spend 2 years visiting all this infrastructure that we have in place, and pulling it out of the oceans.
- cactacea 4mo agoScience is evil and must be destroyed at all costs.
- NewJazz 4mo agohttps://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-executives-campaign-finance-00157131 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/09/trump-asks-oil-exec...
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoApplying even an ounce of argumentative empathy will make you more convincing and psychologically healthier.
- arbitrary_name 4mo agoit is extremely difficult to do in cases like this. again, why are we pulling the sensors? why not leave them in place and stop paying for maintenance? why not find alternate funding mechanisms? because we know who these people are, and what their motives are. they show us time and and time again. empathy is something to be used against us.
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoWell. Even if you want to attribute a bad motive that would give more clarity. Maybe the people involved in these projects have expressed disagreement with the admin, so they don’t want to pay them. What’s so important about these particular sensors that any change in resourcing is a categorical evil?
- caconym_ 4mo agoHow would you explain it? It seems either entirely ideological on the part of its architects, cynically designed to appeal to a political base that has been inculcated with that ideology, or cynically designed to enrich its architects' political and business allies under cover of appealing to a political base that has been inculcated with that ideology. Possibly some combination of those three. But the core issue is opposition to and misrepresentation of scientific consensus, on the part of an administration that has referred to its political opponents as "the enemy from within".
- hydrolox 4mo agodo you expect there to be logic behind it?
- JohnMakin 4mo agoI hope there isn't, because if there is, it has a lot of implications that are unpleasant to think about.
- 20after4 4mo agoBest start thinking about those implications because it is unwise to underestimate what is coming.
- insane_dreamer 4mo agoVought, Miller and others in the Admin, are evil, but not stupid. This is intentionally destroying the system to make it very difficult for a future administration to get it going again.
- mort96 4mo agoIt's in the republican party's interest to ensure there's as little data as possible showing any form of climate anomalies. Their party platform is that climate change is not real, and Trump is personally a big fan of coal power.
- goatlover 4mo agoAnd it's not even a secret, Trump, his officials and supporters all say this.
- shimman 4mo ago[flagged]
- hdgvhicv 4mo agoFor simple minded people like Trump and his followers yes. For the ones pulling his strings they have motives and reasons beyond the idiots they put in as a figurehead.
- clintonb 4mo agoThe current administration doesn’t care about climate change, or believes it’s a hoax. Given this, they see no need to fund research and data gathering that tells them otherwise.
- exe34 4mo agoNo, they are attacking any and all forms of data collection that can be connected to climate change - even if it's not specifically for climate change. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/07/trump-administration-deleting-data https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/may/...
- verdverm 4mo agoNot just climate data, they are changing how census data is aggregated so they can reverse-individualize for political goals, discussed 3 days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517377 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48517377 https://www.npr.org/2026/06/12/nx-s1-5855734/census-bureau-data-differential-privacy https://www.npr.org/2026/06/12/nx-s1-5855734/census-bureau-d...
- francisofascii 4mo agoThat is a charatable interpretation. A more negative take is they are purposely suppressing the evidence.
- nom 4mo agoThat is exactly what is happening. Records of environmental data are a huge pain in the ass for those invested in fossil energy and adjacent industries. The truth is hurting business and they seem to be going on a rampage actively killing it at the roots. Stop collecting and recording data, destroy and hide the existing data and close the institutions.
- ActorNightly 4mo agoTo be fair, the public in large also dgaf about climate change. Honestly, at this point, having natural disasters with destruction and death is probably the only way to make people care.
- dgellow 4mo agoIm not sure if you know but the current US government is very much anti-science
- exe34 4mo agoAny data that can even remotely be tied to the climate could be used against the Turd Reich. The Fuhrer cannot allow it.
- caconym_ 4mo agoRussel Vought. Look him up.
- filoeleven 4mo agoLock*
- caconym_ 4mo agopraying hands emoji
- mullingitover 4mo agoThere's no point in spending taxpayer money understanding what may or may not happen in the future, when we already know what will happen: Jesus is coming back. We need to spend on the military for the final battle of Armageddon. ^ Literally the beliefs of the most influential part of the political base of the administration.
- anon_shill 4mo agoIs this from Bannon and co.? What is their rationale for being militaristic during a return of Jesus? Wouldn't Jesus not like that very much?
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- burkaman 4mo agoThere is no way to know what Jesus would or wouldn't like. Most religious people interpret their chosen text in whatever way best fits their preferences and lifestyle. In this case, they like war, so that means Jesus also likes war: https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-iran-war-is-for https://jonathanlarsen.substack.com/p/us-troops-were-told-ir.... It is trivial to find Bible verses supporting war if that's what you're looking for: https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-war/ https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-....
- mullingitover 4mo agoThis is known as 'negotiating with the text' and people get extremely mad when you describe what they're doing.
- steve_adams_86 4mo agoI don't think they literally believe it. They ostensibly espouse this for political purposes, but it doesn't appear they believe in any permanent objective or thing other than their own power and profit.
- tjohns 4mo agoDismantling monitoring programs which show evidence of climate change is one of the Project 2025 priorities. Specifically, their plan calls for downsizing the Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (Mandate for Leadership, Project 2025, p. 676), and breaking up NOAA (p. 674), because they view these agencies as a source of "climate alarmism" and that "the preponderance of its climate-change research should be disbanded."
- 0xbadcafebee 4mo agoPolitical strategy. Step one of controlling a population is to stop information flow; you can't stop something bad happening if you don't know about it. Since the party in charge thinks climate change is a hoax, all efforts at slowing climate change are therefore bad. So you remove the tools people use to document and respond to climate change, and now everything is fixed, in your world view.
- cyberax 4mo ago"See no evil, hear no evil" - literally.
- jordanb 4mo agoBecause they're Woke sensors that are collecting woke lies about the Chinese Climate Change Hoax of course. Also Accuweather paid a lot of money for this president and they are very interested in not having the US government compete against them with free, high-quality weather forecasting.
- lm2s 4mo agoNow this would be more credible to me.
- jandrewrogers 4mo agoIt doesn't make much sense. There are massive gaps in our current climate models because we have almost no data about subsurface ocean dynamics. Many of the assumptions about the oceanic environment in climate models were demonstrated to not match empirical measurement a few decades ago but we don't have enough oceanic data to come up with a coherent model for the observed dynamics. Without a plausible model for these dynamics, any predictions made from climate models have a high probability of being significantly incorrect. These sensor networks were the first step toward collecting some data that would allow us to develop a plausible model for subsurface ocean dynamics. To be clear, we are probably still a couple decades out from this in any case but removing these sensor networks from operation definitely won't help. There are very few efforts to collect this data at scale, I believe this was one of the largest. Most people don't realize how critical subsurface sensor networks are to building accurate climate models.
- pvaldes 4mo ago> Why they do this? Because it damages USA. As other thousands of nonsensical choices in the last years, America always, consistently, ends scammed milked, and holding the shorter straw. Everything in this government is designed specifically to the inch to humiliate and destroy US. Acting exactly like foreign enemy agents for fun and profit. Or maybe because it could be used (in theory) to register submarine's position. Or maybe somebody expects to benefit from the climate change in some way, and couldn't care less if half of the planet became inhabitable in the process. There aren't many other reasonable explanations.