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> If Ukraine could deploy actual Terminator robots to the front line it would do it in a heartbeat. Completely false. They are beholden to their allies. Ukrain

> If Ukraine could deploy actual Terminator robots to the front line it would do it in a heartbeat. Completely false. They are beholden to their allies. Ukraine could also reach Moscow with missiles, why doesn't it? It could build a nuclear bomb in 6 months, if not 6 weeks, they have the capabilities, why doesn't it? It's not so simple.

YeGoblynQueenne 4mo ago
I think the reason Ukraine has not attacked Moscow with missiles is that this would force Russia to retaliate with nuclear missiles. There's a long discussion on this in sources I follow (full disclosure, I tend to listen to John Mearsheimer a lot although I don't believe everything he says) and the consensus is that the latest attacks in Russian land will have consequences. So I agree that it's not so simple but I also don't believe for a minute that it has anything to do with ethics. Not in that war. And I have to be honest but I can't think of a war were ethics played an important role in determining belligerent's behaviour.
- doctorpangloss 4mo ago
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- victorbjorklund 4mo ago
  Russia been saying they will nuke everyone since before the war. They never do anything when meet with strength. Russians even didn’t use nukes when Russian land was under occupation for months. They just raised their fist in the air shaking it and said ”we will show you”.
  - postsantum 4mo ago
    >said ”we will show you” I didn't follow the news. How did it end?
    - victorbjorklund 4mo ago
      They did nothing they didn’t do before. They shot some random missiles and drone and kill some civilians in an apartment house/hospital/etc. But it is nothing they wouldn’t do a normal weekday.
  - pepperoni_pizza 4mo ago
    At this point I just consider anyone taking Russian nuclear threats seriously a Russian propagandist (knowing or otherwise).
  - YeGoblynQueenne 4mo ago
    But I don't think they were really "met with strength". If they had, then Moscow would really have been bombed and I don't mean by drones. I just don't think NATO is going to fight a war with Russia over Ukraine. If Russia had really been "met with strength" the war would be over, or it would have spread much farther than Ukraine's borders. With respect to the Ukrainians, who have shown incredible bravery and smarts, I'm afraid they have been left to fend on their own, and I don't see that seriously changing.
machomaster 4mo ago
> Ukraine could also reach Moscow with missiles, why doesn't it? Ukraine doesn't have enough missiles to reach and hit important targets in Moscow. Due to Moscow having the best defence, it doesn't make sense to try to hit it only for lulz, instead of hitting actually important target elsewhere, like oil refineries. Otherwise, Ukraine has constantly been trying to hit targets in Moscow and around it, mostly with long-range drones, not missiles. Sometimes this has been successful. I mean, the dome of the Kremlin itself was hit a few years back.
nradov 4mo ago
What an ignorant comment. Ukraine has attacked Moscow many times with drones and cruise missiles. And good luck to them, I hope they destroy Moscow completely. https://abcnews.com/amp/International/ukrainian-drones-target-moscow-mayor-kyiv-claims-oil/story?id=133774624 https://abcnews.com/amp/International/ukrainian-drones-targe... Ukraine is already using unmanned combat ground vehicles. They're not too far away from building autonomous weapons similar to those in some of the Terminator movies, although they probably won't be humanoid form factor.
- doctorpangloss 4mo ago
  ukraine has never used a long range missile against civilian targets in Moscow its home built Flamingo has been reportedly used only a few times since february of this year in long range, as recently as just yesterday the US and EU restricts ukraine's ability to use ATACMS or SCALP in any long range way of course, US and EU are discussing withdrawing some kinds of vital war support, which is my point. These are the issues that are related: long range weapons use against deep targets in Russia means that allies withdraw support. and how could it not be that case? They could have developed Flamingo years ago when this war began, in 2014, why didn't they? there's nothing ignorant about this.
  - nradov 4mo ago
    What's your point? Ukraine has successfully hit many military targets in Moscow with a variety of weapons. Why would they bother with civilian targets when there are so many vulnerable military targets to choose from? Ukraine was barely a functional country in 2014. It took them a long time to get their act together and build a defense industry. Rocket science isn't easy.
  - nradov 4mo ago
    Ukraine just hit another civilian target in Moscow. Allies haven't withdrawn support. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-moscow-refinery-attack-oil-0ee97c720e770c392067418f9cabcbba https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-moscow-refiner...

YeGoblynQueenne 4mo ago

I think the reason Ukraine has not attacked Moscow with missiles is that this would force Russia to retaliate with nuclear missiles. There's a long discussion on this in sources I follow (full disclosure, I tend to listen to John Mearsheimer a lot although I don't believe everything he says) and the consensus is that the latest attacks in Russian land will have consequences. So I agree that it's not so simple but I also don't believe for a minute that it has anything to do with ethics. Not in that war. And I have to be honest but I can't think of a war were ethics played an important role in determining belligerent's behaviour.

doctorpangloss 4mo ago
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victorbjorklund 4mo ago
Russia been saying they will nuke everyone since before the war. They never do anything when meet with strength. Russians even didn’t use nukes when Russian land was under occupation for months. They just raised their fist in the air shaking it and said ”we will show you”.
- postsantum 4mo ago
  >said ”we will show you” I didn't follow the news. How did it end?
  - victorbjorklund 4mo ago
    They did nothing they didn’t do before. They shot some random missiles and drone and kill some civilians in an apartment house/hospital/etc. But it is nothing they wouldn’t do a normal weekday.
- pepperoni_pizza 4mo ago
  At this point I just consider anyone taking Russian nuclear threats seriously a Russian propagandist (knowing or otherwise).
- YeGoblynQueenne 4mo ago
  But I don't think they were really "met with strength". If they had, then Moscow would really have been bombed and I don't mean by drones. I just don't think NATO is going to fight a war with Russia over Ukraine. If Russia had really been "met with strength" the war would be over, or it would have spread much farther than Ukraine's borders. With respect to the Ukrainians, who have shown incredible bravery and smarts, I'm afraid they have been left to fend on their own, and I don't see that seriously changing.

machomaster 4mo ago

> Ukraine could also reach Moscow with missiles, why doesn't it? Ukraine doesn't have enough missiles to reach and hit important targets in Moscow. Due to Moscow having the best defence, it doesn't make sense to try to hit it only for lulz, instead of hitting actually important target elsewhere, like oil refineries. Otherwise, Ukraine has constantly been trying to hit targets in Moscow and around it, mostly with long-range drones, not missiles. Sometimes this has been successful. I mean, the dome of the Kremlin itself was hit a few years back.

nradov 4mo ago

What an ignorant comment. Ukraine has attacked Moscow many times with drones and cruise missiles. And good luck to them, I hope they destroy Moscow completely. https://abcnews.com/amp/International/ukrainian-drones-target-moscow-mayor-kyiv-claims-oil/story?id=133774624 https://abcnews.com/amp/International/ukrainian-drones-targe... Ukraine is already using unmanned combat ground vehicles. They're not too far away from building autonomous weapons similar to those in some of the Terminator movies, although they probably won't be humanoid form factor.

doctorpangloss 4mo ago
ukraine has never used a long range missile against civilian targets in Moscow its home built Flamingo has been reportedly used only a few times since february of this year in long range, as recently as just yesterday the US and EU restricts ukraine's ability to use ATACMS or SCALP in any long range way of course, US and EU are discussing withdrawing some kinds of vital war support, which is my point. These are the issues that are related: long range weapons use against deep targets in Russia means that allies withdraw support. and how could it not be that case? They could have developed Flamingo years ago when this war began, in 2014, why didn't they? there's nothing ignorant about this.
- nradov 4mo ago
  What's your point? Ukraine has successfully hit many military targets in Moscow with a variety of weapons. Why would they bother with civilian targets when there are so many vulnerable military targets to choose from? Ukraine was barely a functional country in 2014. It took them a long time to get their act together and build a defense industry. Rocket science isn't easy.
- nradov 4mo ago
  Ukraine just hit another civilian target in Moscow. Allies haven't withdrawn support. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-moscow-refinery-attack-oil-0ee97c720e770c392067418f9cabcbba https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-moscow-refiner...