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Petition to Withdraw Canada's Bill C-22

500 points by hmokiguess 5mo ago

cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real opposition?!
- Fogest 5mo ago
  Sadly spying on citizens is pretty bipartisan for most governments around the world. It seems hard to actually stop this kind of stuff. I've signed this petition which I'm sure will do absolutely nothing, but it feels like there isn't much else I can do. I didn't even get a confirmation email with the link I need to click after signing this petition, so I guess my signature is null and void. I've lost faith in our government doing anything to benefit the people.
  - roter 5mo ago
    The confirmation email takes a few minutes.
    - Fogest 5mo ago
      Yeah it's already been 10 minutes, but they likely got their email server on some hamster somewhere, so I probably just gotta wait longer for it.
      - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
        I had it take that long before for petitions I've signed. It will come.
        Fogest 5mo ago
        Good to know, as past ones I've signed only have taken a couple minutes. Worst case I'm keeping the petition opened and will sign up again tonight. I'll probably also throw a little message together as well to send to my MP tonight. I feel like that's about all I can do to make my voice heard about these matters.
      - kps 5mo ago
        I got it in seconds, now.
  - HerbManic 5mo ago
    I mean Canada is a part of the 'Five eyes' surveillance alliance since the 1950's. This is nothing new but it does keep escalating. It was Terrance McKenna who said that the worst government is usually the one that is in charge, that is because they rarely tend to go back on what was put down before them. One could argue that in the US Trump is tearing down previous government work but also isn't doing it in a constructive fashion at all. I pushed back on all these kinds of Bills and laws here in Australia and every time it was usually just met with the same boiler plate response of "We are enacting this at the advice of insert agency/person here." I still do it but it sort of just feels like leaving a note to future generations that we at least tried to stop it.
- alephnerd 5mo ago
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  - int_19h 5mo ago
    > but even in the US you "cannot yet fire in a crowded theatre". You should look up the origin of that phrase...
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as product offerings in my country.
    - alephnerd 5mo ago
      > Given CSIS has plenty of powers already... > hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups... They don't. They are one of the weaker intel agencies amongst the five eyes (NZ is weakest) due to overlapping responsibilities and jurisdictions with the RCMP and Provincial law enforcement. And there are active issues with certain provincial LE agencies and foreign interference.
    - hodder 5mo ago
      Voting for separation (as oppose to actually separating) is absolutely in the best interest of most Albertans.
      - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
        Oh. I see. Now I regret engaging with you at all on the other comment. My SIN begins with a 6 and my whole family is still there, and you're wrong as hell, and the majority of Albertans agree with me and Smith would never have been elected if she'd run on this.
- dismalaf 5mo ago
  The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idiots who keep electing them. CBC pushes some propaganda about how this'll protect the kids, some brain-dead liberals will keep repeating it, Canada will just continue its path to irrelevancy...
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.
    - alexandre_m 5mo ago
      > You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surveillance/ https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...
      - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
        Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition. And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome. EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.
        alexandre_m 5mo ago
        Conservatives are against the whole surveillance on citizens aspect, that is the "Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act" part of this bill about electronic devices and service providers, the core controversial issue of this discussion, which they want removed. Conservatives have been very critical about it since the beginning. You can find plenty of sources where they discuss this.
fidotron 5mo ago
While deeply unlikely to change anything it really is important as much noise is made about this as possible. On top of this will be C-34 which is just full no privacy anymore territory https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-bill-c-34-combines-platform-duties-a-kids-social-media-ban-ai-chatbot-regulation-and-a-powerful-digital-safety-commission-into-a-risky-trust-us-bet/ https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-b... The gov do all this and then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses leaving all the value being captured by the Americans. Surprised pikachus all round.
- alephnerd 5mo ago
  > then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities.
  - giantg2 5mo ago
    A lot of the Indian tech industry is really just the tech industry from other countries being outsourced to there.
    - alephnerd 5mo ago
      Sure foreign players do play a role, yet it still has the 4th largest VC dealflow [0] in the world ($9.3B) at 2x the size of Canada's entire market which highlights a significantly larger market. And unlike Canadian startups, most Indian startups IPO domestically [1] thus building a self-sustaining capital market [0] - https://dealroom.co/guides/global https://dealroom.co/guides/global [1] - https://internationalbanker.com/finance/india-is-undergoing-an-unprecedented-ipo-boom/ https://internationalbanker.com/finance/india-is-undergoing-...
zuzululu 5mo ago
what is bill c 22 in a nutshell for non canadians like me ? is this like the patriot act in usa ?
- stackghost 5mo ago
  https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-22/first-reading https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-22/first-r...
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  Basically the same idiocy that the British gov't has also tried to enact around making actually encrypted communication impossible, and giving them the rights to access metadata on the public's communications without warrant, etc.
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  - allthetime 5mo ago
    How is it possible to make encrypted communication impossible? It’s (for us) trivial to encrypt and sign a message with GPG for instance. Does this allow the government to come to my house if I trade these messages with friends?
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      Regulation wise, is what I mean. They want backdoors, as in the ability to demand decrypted content, which as you and I both know is not possible if you've built the system with zero-knowledge on the server side ala Signal etc. As far as I understand the proposed bill, a service like that would not be legal to operate in Canada. Which is why Signal and Proton and others have said they would just leave the Canadian market. The Liberals have noted they may be open to amendments to the language around encryption but not to other modifications.
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aleqs 5mo ago
Signed, thanks for sharing.
slopinthebag 5mo ago
The country has just slipped into a recession (only one in g20 btw), food bank usage is at record highs, it's young adults are ranked 71st in the world in happiness (boomers in the top 10 tho), housing is out of reach for many, youth unemployment is at ~15%, outside investments are non-existent, government debt is at record levels, haven't won the Stanley cup in decades, in a trade war with the USA, nobody is starting businesses here, educated people are leaving, etc. Liberal party: We need to spy on people on the internet!
- llm_nerd 5mo ago
  Foreign investments just hit an 18 year high. Employment numbers just went positive (at about 5x the per capita rate of the US). The country is recovering nicely from being addicted to mass immigration/housing. Export markets are rapidly diversifying, and Canada has made a number of new strategic partnerships. Two straight months of growing trade surpluses. All while our largest trading partner explicitly and openly tries to harm us. And who gives a flying fuck about the Stanley cup. What a weird thing to cite. You understand governments are large things with many departments and focuses, right? This "whataboutism" angle is always spectacularly boring horseshit, and usually is plied by partisans that just want to piss and moan about everything Not Their Team does. This bill is deeply imperfect, and I hope it dies. Your comment is just noisy partisan bluster.
  - logicchains 5mo ago
    It's partisan to deny your country is falling to shit just because you voted for the parties that made it fall to shit.
    - llm_nerd 5mo ago
      Their comment was directly, overtly partisan. Further, it plies the rhetoric of a partisan -- literally, every talking point directly from conservative Canada-land -- and then does the cliche "whataboutism" that is a signature. This whataboutism is a go-to because it's universally usable, and is the biggest tell that you're dealing with a partisan spouting worthless noise. Anything the government of the day does, whatabout this other things. It is spectacularly stupid, and is an immediate example that the speaker has nothing of value to add to anything, ever. It is one of the greatest cancers in Western democracies, and is exactly how malignancies take hold. And the "Bounces off me" tactic is so boorish. I don't like this bill. I don't like a lot of the things this government has done. But the "OMG EVERYTHING HAS FALLEN TO SHIT" is so laughable. I dunno, man, despite the problems I think Canada's a pretty great country. I'm glad that the government is capable of actually doing many things at once.
EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
There will be a SECU Committee meeting on C-22 later today, where the committee will be performing a clause by clause review of Bill C-22, and voting on amendments. It may be the final meeting. You can watch it live by clicking the "Watch on ParlVu" button on the meeting notice page: https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/SECU/meeting-43/notice https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/SECU/meetin... Direct link to the upcoming live ParlVu video: https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2?fk=13555986 https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrows... After bill C-22 leaves the SECU Committee, it will be sent to the House of Commons for the third reading and a final vote before being sent to the Senate. If you are a Canadian citizen, you can also use the following tools to message your MP: * The Internet Society's tool: https://www.internetsociety.org/our-work/internet-policy/keep-canada-protected/ https://www.internetsociety.org/our-work/internet-policy/kee... * OpenMedia's messaging tool: https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1 https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1 * ICLM's messaging tool: https://iclmg.ca/stop-c-22/ https://iclmg.ca/stop-c-22/ You can also email Gary Anandasangaree (gary.anand@parl.gc.ca), Marc Carney (mark.carney@parl.gc.ca), and Sean Fraser (sean.fraser@parl.gc.ca), and tell them that any weakening of encryption or suspicionless retention of metadata is unacceptable.
- EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
  The Liberal party members of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU) are: * Jean-Yves Duclos: jean-yves.duclos@parl.gc.ca * Sima Acan: sima.acan@parl.gc.ca * Marianne Dandurand: marianne.dandurand@parl.gc.ca * Anthony Housefather: anthony.housefather@parl.gc.ca * Marcus Powlowski: marcus.powlowski@parl.gc.ca * Jacques Ramsay: jacques.ramsay@parl.gc.ca * Amandeep Sodhi: amandeep.sodhi@parl.gc.ca
  - __turbobrew__ 5mo ago
    3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.
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theeyescanner 5mo ago
I made my petition in April 2025. I was genuinely surprised that my riding was fooled by Liberal lies, but I'm not surprised about the result. Liberal, Tory, same old story.
turaza23 5mo ago
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iamkrazy 5mo ago
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motohagiography 5mo ago
the odd thing about it to me is that other than passports, all regular identity documents in Canada are issued by the provinces under specific mandates and regulations, which means that the provinces could choose not to endorse the usage of their IDs for age verification to foreign providers. Other than passports, the government of canada does not have an identity card to base any kind of sweeping electronic age verification regime on. Sure there are some tech players looking to bring products to market that leverage banks and payment networks, but I suspect even they haven't figured out who owns the assertion of the persons attributes. Maybe they've done the regs legwork and some scumbag backdoor account policy changes in the banks, but the PHIPA legislation that governs PII collection, use, and disclosure in the provinces would need to align with it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were challenges to the law based on a lack of federal mandate for provincial identity repositories, no accountability or ownership for the accuracy of the age assertion, WTO and trade agreement challenges against subsidized providers, to speculate about a few. The spirit of the law is contemptible, and is being pushed through by a farcically illegitimate, corrupt, and demonstrably foreign influenced majority that has made a mockery of our processes, and is expressly against the interests of Canadians. The good news is that if you are a 13yr old who can jailbreak a foundation model, we are in a new golden age of hacking. The cryptography behind any of these systems of oppression won't last a month.
- EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
  Bill C-22 is the Canadian government's attempt to require encryption backdoors and mandatory data retention, for all online services. The invasive mandatory age verification requires are part of bill C-34, which was just tabled yesterday. Its obviously an unacceptable violate of privacy, but the Liberals are far closer to passing C-22 at the moment.
  - motohagiography 5mo ago
    my error, i actually thought it was an omnibus. it doesn't change my view, but toward the specific encryption concern, indeed, less relevant. thank you.
rdevilla 5mo ago
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tistoon 5mo ago
I guess canadians get what they voted for... :)
- throwawayk7h 5mo ago
  in a three-party system, there's provably no optimal voting system. Most people who would normally vote NDP voted strategically in the last election to prevent a conservative majority. While it's true in the literal sense that we got what we voted for -- I mean, that's tautological; whoever wins an election is "voted" for -- it's not really the whole picture.
  - HerbManic 5mo ago
    There is always the Australian system. Mandatory voting, preferential votes, majority rule. The Preferential part is the most important, it means you can vote for who you want but also have the second preference get a vote if the first fails to get a wide enough margin. That first vote however will get additional resources based on vote tally with the next election cycle. If either of the last two majority parties fail to get the necessary votes to hold control and you have a hung parliament, they then have to negotiate with other parties to gain their preference. Its not perfect but it looks like the best case system I have seen.
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- ActionHank 5mo ago
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- jszymborski 5mo ago
  Under first-last-the-post, we actually don't :P
- Grum9 5mo ago
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bagvader 5mo ago
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tignaj 5mo ago
Is ourcommons.ca an official House of Commons website? It says so but how do I verify before I submit the petition with my information?
- lm411 5mo ago
  It is yes - in situations like that, your best bet is to view the SSL cert details. Of course, only if you trust the issuer. ;)
- throwawayk7h 5mo ago
  it really should be .gc.ca for us to be sure. Here's a chain of trust you can follow: https://parl.gc.ca https://parl.gc.ca -> https://parl.ca https://parl.ca https://www.parl.ca/Committees/en/LANG/Contact?parl=37&session=1 https://www.parl.ca/Committees/en/LANG/Contact?parl=37&sessi... -> ourcommons.ca
- raudette 5mo ago
  Yeah, this is so bad - I struggled with this as well, why did they make it hard?
devilfileprong 5mo ago
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telephone3 5mo ago
Am I the only one who sees this as the only viable solution to shutting down foreign interference through social media ? We certainly can't rely on the companies themselves doing it. Fifth column warfare is a thing and we are a ripe target.
RobMasur 4mo ago
Stop this heinous legislative attempt to rob Canadians of their right to privacy ,under the guise of public protection from criminality. This Bill is merely a potential vehicle for international bad actors to seize more personal data from unsuspecting law-abiding Canadians!

500 points by hmokiguess 5mo ago

There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real opposition?!

Fogest 5mo ago
Sadly spying on citizens is pretty bipartisan for most governments around the world. It seems hard to actually stop this kind of stuff. I've signed this petition which I'm sure will do absolutely nothing, but it feels like there isn't much else I can do. I didn't even get a confirmation email with the link I need to click after signing this petition, so I guess my signature is null and void. I've lost faith in our government doing anything to benefit the people.
- roter 5mo ago
  The confirmation email takes a few minutes.
  - Fogest 5mo ago
    Yeah it's already been 10 minutes, but they likely got their email server on some hamster somewhere, so I probably just gotta wait longer for it.
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      I had it take that long before for petitions I've signed. It will come.
      - Fogest 5mo ago
        Good to know, as past ones I've signed only have taken a couple minutes. Worst case I'm keeping the petition opened and will sign up again tonight. I'll probably also throw a little message together as well to send to my MP tonight. I feel like that's about all I can do to make my voice heard about these matters.
    - kps 5mo ago
      I got it in seconds, now.
- HerbManic 5mo ago
  I mean Canada is a part of the 'Five eyes' surveillance alliance since the 1950's. This is nothing new but it does keep escalating. It was Terrance McKenna who said that the worst government is usually the one that is in charge, that is because they rarely tend to go back on what was put down before them. One could argue that in the US Trump is tearing down previous government work but also isn't doing it in a constructive fashion at all. I pushed back on all these kinds of Bills and laws here in Australia and every time it was usually just met with the same boiler plate response of "We are enacting this at the advice of insert agency/person here." I still do it but it sort of just feels like leaving a note to future generations that we at least tried to stop it.
alephnerd 5mo ago
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- int_19h 5mo ago
  > but even in the US you "cannot yet fire in a crowded theatre". You should look up the origin of that phrase...
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as product offerings in my country.
  - alephnerd 5mo ago
    > Given CSIS has plenty of powers already... > hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups... They don't. They are one of the weaker intel agencies amongst the five eyes (NZ is weakest) due to overlapping responsibilities and jurisdictions with the RCMP and Provincial law enforcement. And there are active issues with certain provincial LE agencies and foreign interference.
  - hodder 5mo ago
    Voting for separation (as oppose to actually separating) is absolutely in the best interest of most Albertans.
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      Oh. I see. Now I regret engaging with you at all on the other comment. My SIN begins with a 6 and my whole family is still there, and you're wrong as hell, and the majority of Albertans agree with me and Smith would never have been elected if she'd run on this.
dismalaf 5mo ago
The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idiots who keep electing them. CBC pushes some propaganda about how this'll protect the kids, some brain-dead liberals will keep repeating it, Canada will just continue its path to irrelevancy...
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.
  - alexandre_m 5mo ago
    > You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surveillance/ https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition. And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome. EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.
      - alexandre_m 5mo ago
        Conservatives are against the whole surveillance on citizens aspect, that is the "Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act" part of this bill about electronic devices and service providers, the core controversial issue of this discussion, which they want removed. Conservatives have been very critical about it since the beginning. You can find plenty of sources where they discuss this.

fidotron 5mo ago

While deeply unlikely to change anything it really is important as much noise is made about this as possible. On top of this will be C-34 which is just full no privacy anymore territory https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-bill-c-34-combines-platform-duties-a-kids-social-media-ban-ai-chatbot-regulation-and-a-powerful-digital-safety-commission-into-a-risky-trust-us-bet/ https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2026/06/everything-all-at-once-b... The gov do all this and then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses leaving all the value being captured by the Americans. Surprised pikachus all round.

alephnerd 5mo ago
> then will act surprised as Canada's tech sector finds it even harder to create any consumer facing businesses... That's not why an indigenous Canadian tech industry is non-existent. Heck, China, Israel, India, South Korea, and Taiwan all have larger tech industries than Canada and have much stricter internet speech requirements (and in Israel and Taiwan's case are much smaller than Canada population wise). Canadian tech is nonexistent because every Canadian pension fund, family office, and bank prefers to invest in American equities over Canadian equities.
- giantg2 5mo ago
  A lot of the Indian tech industry is really just the tech industry from other countries being outsourced to there.
  - alephnerd 5mo ago
    Sure foreign players do play a role, yet it still has the 4th largest VC dealflow [0] in the world ($9.3B) at 2x the size of Canada's entire market which highlights a significantly larger market. And unlike Canadian startups, most Indian startups IPO domestically [1] thus building a self-sustaining capital market [0] - https://dealroom.co/guides/global https://dealroom.co/guides/global [1] - https://internationalbanker.com/finance/india-is-undergoing-an-unprecedented-ipo-boom/ https://internationalbanker.com/finance/india-is-undergoing-...

zuzululu 5mo ago

what is bill c 22 in a nutshell for non canadians like me ? is this like the patriot act in usa ?

stackghost 5mo ago
https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-22/first-reading https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-22/first-r...
cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
Basically the same idiocy that the British gov't has also tried to enact around making actually encrypted communication impossible, and giving them the rights to access metadata on the public's communications without warrant, etc.
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- allthetime 5mo ago
  How is it possible to make encrypted communication impossible? It’s (for us) trivial to encrypt and sign a message with GPG for instance. Does this allow the government to come to my house if I trade these messages with friends?
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Regulation wise, is what I mean. They want backdoors, as in the ability to demand decrypted content, which as you and I both know is not possible if you've built the system with zero-knowledge on the server side ala Signal etc. As far as I understand the proposed bill, a service like that would not be legal to operate in Canada. Which is why Signal and Proton and others have said they would just leave the Canadian market. The Liberals have noted they may be open to amendments to the language around encryption but not to other modifications.
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aleqs 5mo ago

Signed, thanks for sharing.

slopinthebag 5mo ago

The country has just slipped into a recession (only one in g20 btw), food bank usage is at record highs, it's young adults are ranked 71st in the world in happiness (boomers in the top 10 tho), housing is out of reach for many, youth unemployment is at ~15%, outside investments are non-existent, government debt is at record levels, haven't won the Stanley cup in decades, in a trade war with the USA, nobody is starting businesses here, educated people are leaving, etc. Liberal party: We need to spy on people on the internet!

llm_nerd 5mo ago
Foreign investments just hit an 18 year high. Employment numbers just went positive (at about 5x the per capita rate of the US). The country is recovering nicely from being addicted to mass immigration/housing. Export markets are rapidly diversifying, and Canada has made a number of new strategic partnerships. Two straight months of growing trade surpluses. All while our largest trading partner explicitly and openly tries to harm us. And who gives a flying fuck about the Stanley cup. What a weird thing to cite. You understand governments are large things with many departments and focuses, right? This "whataboutism" angle is always spectacularly boring horseshit, and usually is plied by partisans that just want to piss and moan about everything Not Their Team does. This bill is deeply imperfect, and I hope it dies. Your comment is just noisy partisan bluster.
- logicchains 5mo ago
  It's partisan to deny your country is falling to shit just because you voted for the parties that made it fall to shit.
  - llm_nerd 5mo ago
    Their comment was directly, overtly partisan. Further, it plies the rhetoric of a partisan -- literally, every talking point directly from conservative Canada-land -- and then does the cliche "whataboutism" that is a signature. This whataboutism is a go-to because it's universally usable, and is the biggest tell that you're dealing with a partisan spouting worthless noise. Anything the government of the day does, whatabout this other things. It is spectacularly stupid, and is an immediate example that the speaker has nothing of value to add to anything, ever. It is one of the greatest cancers in Western democracies, and is exactly how malignancies take hold. And the "Bounces off me" tactic is so boorish. I don't like this bill. I don't like a lot of the things this government has done. But the "OMG EVERYTHING HAS FALLEN TO SHIT" is so laughable. I dunno, man, despite the problems I think Canada's a pretty great country. I'm glad that the government is capable of actually doing many things at once.

EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago

There will be a SECU Committee meeting on C-22 later today, where the committee will be performing a clause by clause review of Bill C-22, and voting on amendments. It may be the final meeting. You can watch it live by clicking the "Watch on ParlVu" button on the meeting notice page: https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/SECU/meeting-43/notice https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/SECU/meetin... Direct link to the upcoming live ParlVu video: https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2?fk=13555986 https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrows... After bill C-22 leaves the SECU Committee, it will be sent to the House of Commons for the third reading and a final vote before being sent to the Senate. If you are a Canadian citizen, you can also use the following tools to message your MP: * The Internet Society's tool: https://www.internetsociety.org/our-work/internet-policy/keep-canada-protected/ https://www.internetsociety.org/our-work/internet-policy/kee... * OpenMedia's messaging tool: https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1 https://action.openmedia.org/page/188754/action/1 * ICLM's messaging tool: https://iclmg.ca/stop-c-22/ https://iclmg.ca/stop-c-22/ You can also email Gary Anandasangaree (gary.anand@parl.gc.ca), Marc Carney (mark.carney@parl.gc.ca), and Sean Fraser (sean.fraser@parl.gc.ca), and tell them that any weakening of encryption or suspicionless retention of metadata is unacceptable.

EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
The Liberal party members of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU) are: * Jean-Yves Duclos: jean-yves.duclos@parl.gc.ca * Sima Acan: sima.acan@parl.gc.ca * Marianne Dandurand: marianne.dandurand@parl.gc.ca * Anthony Housefather: anthony.housefather@parl.gc.ca * Marcus Powlowski: marcus.powlowski@parl.gc.ca * Jacques Ramsay: jacques.ramsay@parl.gc.ca * Amandeep Sodhi: amandeep.sodhi@parl.gc.ca
- __turbobrew__ 5mo ago
  3 from Ontario and 4 from Quebec. As a western Canada resident it has been real old that we have been steamrolled by the east for the past decade.
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theeyescanner 5mo ago

I made my petition in April 2025. I was genuinely surprised that my riding was fooled by Liberal lies, but I'm not surprised about the result. Liberal, Tory, same old story.

turaza23 5mo ago

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motohagiography 5mo ago

the odd thing about it to me is that other than passports, all regular identity documents in Canada are issued by the provinces under specific mandates and regulations, which means that the provinces could choose not to endorse the usage of their IDs for age verification to foreign providers. Other than passports, the government of canada does not have an identity card to base any kind of sweeping electronic age verification regime on. Sure there are some tech players looking to bring products to market that leverage banks and payment networks, but I suspect even they haven't figured out who owns the assertion of the persons attributes. Maybe they've done the regs legwork and some scumbag backdoor account policy changes in the banks, but the PHIPA legislation that governs PII collection, use, and disclosure in the provinces would need to align with it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were challenges to the law based on a lack of federal mandate for provincial identity repositories, no accountability or ownership for the accuracy of the age assertion, WTO and trade agreement challenges against subsidized providers, to speculate about a few. The spirit of the law is contemptible, and is being pushed through by a farcically illegitimate, corrupt, and demonstrably foreign influenced majority that has made a mockery of our processes, and is expressly against the interests of Canadians. The good news is that if you are a 13yr old who can jailbreak a foundation model, we are in a new golden age of hacking. The cryptography behind any of these systems of oppression won't last a month.

EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
Bill C-22 is the Canadian government's attempt to require encryption backdoors and mandatory data retention, for all online services. The invasive mandatory age verification requires are part of bill C-34, which was just tabled yesterday. Its obviously an unacceptable violate of privacy, but the Liberals are far closer to passing C-22 at the moment.
- motohagiography 5mo ago
  my error, i actually thought it was an omnibus. it doesn't change my view, but toward the specific encryption concern, indeed, less relevant. thank you.

rdevilla 5mo ago

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tistoon 5mo ago

I guess canadians get what they voted for... :)

throwawayk7h 5mo ago
in a three-party system, there's provably no optimal voting system. Most people who would normally vote NDP voted strategically in the last election to prevent a conservative majority. While it's true in the literal sense that we got what we voted for -- I mean, that's tautological; whoever wins an election is "voted" for -- it's not really the whole picture.
- HerbManic 5mo ago
  There is always the Australian system. Mandatory voting, preferential votes, majority rule. The Preferential part is the most important, it means you can vote for who you want but also have the second preference get a vote if the first fails to get a wide enough margin. That first vote however will get additional resources based on vote tally with the next election cycle. If either of the last two majority parties fail to get the necessary votes to hold control and you have a hung parliament, they then have to negotiate with other parties to gain their preference. Its not perfect but it looks like the best case system I have seen.
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ActionHank 5mo ago
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jszymborski 5mo ago
Under first-last-the-post, we actually don't :P
Grum9 5mo ago
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bagvader 5mo ago

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tignaj 5mo ago

Is ourcommons.ca an official House of Commons website? It says so but how do I verify before I submit the petition with my information?

lm411 5mo ago
It is yes - in situations like that, your best bet is to view the SSL cert details. Of course, only if you trust the issuer. ;)
throwawayk7h 5mo ago
it really should be .gc.ca for us to be sure. Here's a chain of trust you can follow: https://parl.gc.ca https://parl.gc.ca -> https://parl.ca https://parl.ca https://www.parl.ca/Committees/en/LANG/Contact?parl=37&session=1 https://www.parl.ca/Committees/en/LANG/Contact?parl=37&sessi... -> ourcommons.ca
raudette 5mo ago
Yeah, this is so bad - I struggled with this as well, why did they make it hard?

devilfileprong 5mo ago

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telephone3 5mo ago

Am I the only one who sees this as the only viable solution to shutting down foreign interference through social media ? We certainly can't rely on the companies themselves doing it. Fifth column warfare is a thing and we are a ripe target.

RobMasur 4mo ago

Stop this heinous legislative attempt to rob Canadians of their right to privacy ,under the guise of public protection from criminality. This Bill is merely a potential vehicle for international bad actors to seize more personal data from unsuspecting law-abiding Canadians!