8 ms·
Nextcloud Hub 26 Spring: Built together, designed for the future
- beepbooptheory 4mo agoMaybe I'm alone but nextcloud has gone from being kinda flaky and annoying to really great the past few years.
- technothrasher 4mo agoI don't think I really push it, but I find it just right for self-hosting my calendar, contacts, photos, and files.
- wolttam 4mo agoI'd agree that it has gotten better over time. I'm glad we have Nextcloud around.
- theodric 4mo agoI always had terrible trouble keeping it (and before it, Owncloud) updated and in sync with available dependencies on my Debian host. A few years ago, when I built a new NAS, I installed a snap, and that's been the ticket. It's pretty close to flawless now.
- lvales 4mo agoYeah, I eventually gave up on self hosting Nextcloud because of incompatibilities with PHP(-FPM), iirc. They were always lagging behind and it became a hassle to mantain. I ended up replacing all the parts I used with other single purpose software, and it's been a better experience overall.
- krs_ 4mo agoArch Linux added php-legacy and php-fpm-legacy, which tracks (I think) the oldest supported PHP release, a couple of years ago. After I switched to that it's been pretty smooth sailing.
- encom 4mo agoWhen I ran OwnCloud (on Debian), I installed from their APT repo, and one "apt upgrade" handled everything. It was nice and easy, and I didn't have any problems with it. NextCloud uses its own updater* (which I don't like), and aside from some recent MariaDB snafu it's been very low maintenance. (*)sudo -u www-data php /var/www/nextcloud/updater/updater.phar
- bigstrat2003 4mo agoI'm not a huge "run everything in a container" guy, but Nextcloud is one of those things I absolutely will always run in a container. It's too much of a beast for me to have any desire to try to manage package versions and fixing it if something breaks.
- jaffa2 4mo agoIs nextcloud the good one and owncloud the inferior one?
- FabCH 4mo agoI don’t know about owncloud, but I have been hosting a family Nextcloud instance for a little under two years and it works fine. It’s boring. It works.
- m00dy 4mo agosame here, great choice for a private family cloud.
- maxloh 4mo agoNextcloud is written in PHP, which doesn't sound scalable to me. OwnCloud is written in Go but employs an open-core model. Some features are locked behind a proprietary paywall.
- mbesto 4mo ago> Nextcloud is written in PHP, which doesn't sound scalable to me. Lol what? Facebook (pre Hack), Tumblr, Wordpress, Etsy...
- smilespray 4mo agoNextcloud and Wordpress both suffer massively from technical debt.
- mbesto 4mo agoWhat does that have to do with scalability?
- smilespray 4mo agoNice to hear back from you. I'm sure modern PHP code does not prevent scalability, but old PHP code definitely does. Also, and this is slightly beside the point, but last time I tried Nextcloud there were _usability_ "scalability" issues, such as being unable to upload large files in the web GUI due to classic PHP config issues such as client timeout and upload file size limits. Failure to account for modern file size limits is a massive code base red flag. Sure, it's a doddle to fix if you know basic PHP, but it's a sign that the developer doesn't understand the core requirements of the product they are developing.
- ezst 4mo agoUpgraded yesterday, I only use a small amount of features (files, memories, calendar, tasks). It sucks that tasks isn't compatible yet (but I mostly use DAVx⁵/Tasks.org as front-end), and it sucks that the landing page still pulls close to 20MB or so, but besides that, nothing to report one way or another.
- christefano 4mo agoIs Memories working for you after the 34 update? I remember it took a long time for the community to update Memories to work with 33, and that experience has me holding off on updating to 34 with the hope that app updates come quickly.
- ezst 4mo agoYup, it worked out of the box!
- hagbard_c 4mo agoI replaced Memories with Immich running as an external application using the OpenID connect provider app to authenticate Nextcloud users. Immich and Memories seem to aim at more or less the same spot but Immich outpaces Memories nearly everywhere: it is a lot faster and offers far better search features which is the main attraction for me since it makes it possible to actually find that needle in the 160.000+ large haystack.
- gh02t 4mo agoOh man, tasks isn't compatible yet? Thanks for mentioning that, I guess I'll wait a bit to upgrade.
- ntnsndr 4mo agoI now use Nextcloud both for a family server and an academic lab. It has become such a daily part of my life, and I am really grateful for it. I just wish the network effects were stronger so I could benefit more from the federated features, and people didn't think it is so weird to get a Nextcloud link. Lab use: https://git.medlab.host/MEDLab/Handbook/src/branch/main/docs/technology.md https://git.medlab.host/MEDLab/Handbook/src/branch/main/docs... Personal use: https://nathanschneider.info/2026/06/toward-a-durable-writing-stack/ https://nathanschneider.info/2026/06/toward-a-durable-writin...
- blendergeek 4mo agoNextcloud has the most confusing versioning of any software I have ever used. Nextcloud Hub 26 is Nextcloud 34 and follows Nextcloud Hub 9 which is Nextcloud 33. And I could be off on those exact numbers.
- bisby 4mo agoWhen numbers are confusing, it's usually just a recalibration. Hub 9 aligns with cloud 33. But they are switching Hub to a dated numbering scheme because it's intended to be timestamped. It's not "Hub 26" its "Hub 26 Spring" -- it's not a version number, it's a time. The underlying Nextcloud keeps an incremental semver release version so it can be based on features rather than timeline. Because the Nextcloud version and Hub version aren't tied to each other. This would be like saying that iPhones have a confusing naming scheme because iPhone 17 uses iOS 27 and has 2 different numbers. If next year's iPhone was called "iPhone 2027" and used "iOS 29", we'd still understand that.
- Melatonic 4mo agoApple did just recently have a confusing scheme. We went from iOS 18 to 26 And all other devices also went to 26 Would it be that hard for Nextcloud to just have a single version across all apps and then a separate but similar server scheme ?
- tda 4mo agoI run Nextcloud at home with 1.5TB of files and 2 users, on a reasonably sized server. It is painfully slow. Still better than OneDrive, but only just: synscing takes forever, never reaching a fraction of available bandwidth. Upload from my phone is flaky, often hangs and needs manual intervention. It is a battery drain. The whole experience with add-ons and the general UI feels like a 2010 PHP app. I am grateful Nextcloud exists, but no app deserves a vibe coded Rust rewrite more than Nextcloud. Literally nothing to loose
- chrneu 4mo agoThis seems to be a really common issue with NextCloud. I'd say about 30% of installs seems to just..be slow? I've had this happen to me on a handful of installs, and i've had friends/collegues it's happened to. I'm not aware of any "Fix" besides whiping your install(s) and trying again. Try not to use a backup if you can, as it can keep the slowness/lag across installs. It's really annoying.
- mixmastamyk 4mo agoOpencloud is the golang rewrite and is much faster.
- Schlagbohrer 4mo agoAt that point it would be so painful it'd prompt users to switch to competing software. The whole NextCloud suite seems to have this problem of too many offerings that don't get polished to completion.
- ezst 4mo agoLook into "next cloud HPB" (High performance backend) https://github.com/nextcloud/notify_push https://github.com/nextcloud/notify_push
- Melatonic 4mo agoYou sure that's the right link ?
- fundatus 4mo agoI love Nextcloud but I feel like they should really completely redo their UI. It just doesn't look like something from this decade.
- bigstrat2003 4mo agoThat is not a compelling reason to overhaul a UI (which is something that should rarely, if ever, be done). If it works and is pleasant to use, what it looks like is of no consequence.
- emilbratt 4mo agoWait, you don't feel so? I have maintained a Nextcloud server for a small business for the last 6 years. I agree when I started using it early 2020 that the ui felt less modern, but after some updates down the road up until now it looks completely like it is from this era. Am I missing something? However, I never complained about the UI neither then nor now.
- hkpack 4mo agoNextCloud's macOS app is implemented in a way that completely disregards any UI guidelines or just common sense for the platform. Developers either don't use macOS at all, or don't care. But functionally it works for our small team.
- c0balt 4mo agoNextCloud generally appears to use their own design system everywhere, Android apps are also not in Material or on iOS (iirc) in Cupertino. It makes for a subpar experience in general but is consistent.
- bityard 4mo agoWha-huh? This is the decade where every company bought into flat design, monochrome, chonky whitespace, extremely radiused corners everywhere. Pulling up my instance, Nextcloud apes that to a tee. You'd be hard-pressed to find any "modern" UI trend that they haven't shoe-horned into their design somehow. The _did_ completely redo their UI a few years back, and for the worse in my opinion. The Calendar in particular is far less usable and (and much more buggy) than it was around the time it was forked from OwnCloud.
- drnick1 4mo agoNextcloud is great, I self-host an instance at home. I mostly use the calendar, address book, and file sharing with links a la Google Drive. It's probably heavier and slower than it should be for what it does, but it works. Just like Home Assistant, it is a "must have" tool for self-hosters.
- lgcmo 4mo agoWhat's your experience like? Lot's of people say that's a mess to maintain and too broken to actively use. I often doubt if that's due to actual problems, or mix with that and bad decisions on the setup. Is dockering, keeping the data handling itself outside of it and a few other easy (or not so much) precautions enough to have a somewhat smoother sailing? Also, how much time do you need to keep things from failing apart?
- drnick1 4mo agoI never had any issues with it. The Docker image is basically a turnkey solution. The only extra step was to set up nginx as a reverse proxy. I wouldn't deploy a complex piece of software like Nextcloud without Docker to be honest, and this is coming from someone who runs stuff bare metal when it is practical to do so. Edit: In view of the other response, I checked my docker-compose and I am also using the community maintained image (https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud) instead of the all-in-one image. It is supported by MariaDB, redis, and aio-talk (for Nextcloud Talk). Another thing: You should not skip major versions when upgrading. Pin the version in your Docker compose file.
- snailmailman 4mo agoThey have an “all in one” container that supposedly works out of the box. I didn’t want to give it access to the docker socket, with the ability to spawn its own containers. So instead I just use the nextcloud container directly. (With several other containers, like DB, reverse proxy, collabora, etc) It’s a mess to configure, hence their recommendation to use their “all in one” setup. All sorts of weird defaults with documentation that says “this is the default but you should absolutely change it to do X instead so that it performs better”. Things like setting up a service to generate thumbnails, setting up redis, etc. Once configured though, it mostly just works. You can’t let it auto update between major versions, but you probably should be doing that anyway. There are usually breaking changes and you have to manually run a command or two between major updates. That doesn’t happen too frequently though. I can’t speak to the quality of the all-in-one setup. It’s likely easier than what I did - but also what’s the point of putting it in docker and also giving it control of docker? Seems to defeat the point of containerization.
- artgship 4mo agoBeen using Nextcloud exclusively for probably 4 years now? Before that it was a mix of nextcloud + Google Drive. It works for me really well, I can grab my files through my vpn with any of my computers when I am not at home.
- tapoxi 4mo agoIf I want to buy a small NAS that just runs Nextcloud and has a copy of my Google Photos library - what do I go with? I don't have a ton of space so something that fits in the media center.
- jmathai 4mo agoIf you’re going to run your own NAS then consider swapping Google Photos out with Immich. I know it’s not the question you asked but I feel not enough people know about it as an option and it’s really as good as Google Photos.
- bayindirh 4mo agoGMKTec G9. Four NVMe slots, plus some internal memory to deploy TrueNAS. It only has 12GB of RAM, but has two ethernet cards, acceptable cooling and performance and has a small footprint. SSDs shall be single sided and gonna need heatsinks, but I believe it works well and is not tied to any manufacturer for anything. If you want go all-out get ASUSTOR's Ryzen based systems. You can use the stock firmware or disable it without wiping it and deploy TrueNAS on it. It's a beast. TrueNAS has containers and applications and VM support so you can run any service you want on it.
- TiredOfLife 4mo agoGoogle photos will become one way sync only in august. You can upload to cloud, but no sync to pc.
- geff82 4mo agoHow is OpenCloud a serious competitor?
- Diti 4mo agoAm I the only one who doesn’t trust Nextcloud because they use Vimeo instead of a privacy-respecting CDN to showcase videos of their project?
- redlewel 4mo agoYes, you are the only one.
- troyvit 4mo agoThis is a niche use, but I use the PhoneTrack app[1] with Nextcloud. It allows me to track my phone without relying on a third party service. It saved my ass already when I lost my phone in the park one night, and it's a nice way to track long hiking trips or road trips too as it saves the gpx and lets you export it: https://github.com/julien-nc/phonetrack https://github.com/julien-nc/phonetrack
- imalerba 4mo agoI left nextcloud because how slow it felt even on my beefy server. I switched to opencloud.eu, it might have less features but it's just what I needed
- vitally3643 4mo agoSeriously. I ran it on a server with two Xeon CPUs and 128GB of RAM. The web interface took minutes to do anything. Browsing a large photo library was just completely unworkable (and that was before they ripped out all the sorting and filtering features from the photo library). My instance killed itself somehow, likely a failed auto update. I was, of course, using the default docker setup with the watchtower instance etc etc. I never got it to come back up, and I haven't missed it at all. Even opening the damn login page took a good 30 seconds to load, there's no excuse for this kind of performance on a real-deal enterprise server.
- c0balt 4mo agoNextCloud needs tuning (mostly of php-fpm and caching ) oob to be fast/usable in my experience. Just throwing resources at it won't make it faster as the defaults are generally quite conservative. They even have a specific guide for this topic, https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/stable/admin_manual/installation/server_tuning.html https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/stable/admin_manual/instal... As a side note, it's PHP so your single core clocks will generally be more relevant for latency than multi-core performance, feeding many cores requires a lot of divisble work.
- hagbard_c 4mo ago> it's PHP so your single core clocks will generally be more relevant for latency than multi-core performance, feeding many cores requires a lot of divisble work. That is more or less built-in when you use php-fpm which launches a flock of instances. Slow things in Nextcloud like thumbnail generation are divided over whatever cores you feed it as long as you make sure to allow for enough php-fpm instances to be launched. It won't make generating a single thumbnail any faster but it does speed up generating lots of them.
- Schlagbohrer 4mo agoNextCloud Notes is frustratingly broken for offline use. The UI bricks itself with its own error messages when it can't phone home to the server. Even notes which are marked in the app as "Make available offline" don't work offline! The iOS applications also are quite poor. For example the home screen widget has never shown me any of my favorited items even though it should, I have many favorited items, it is fully synced when I'm on my home network, yet it says "no favorites". Considering the size of NextCloud and how long they've been around I wish they would fully complete more of their offerings before launching a dozen new ones.
- InsideOutSanta 4mo agoWorse are the clients which, in some error states, make regular login attempts, triggering Nextcloud's login lock, locking out users who have no clue what's going on. I like Nextcloud overall, but I wish it was more stable.
- NaiveBayesian 4mo agoI love nextcloud and have been using it for years. However recently I've considered taking my instance offline or at least behind a VPN because even if only 10% is true of what AI folks are claiming about LLMs finding exploits left and right, it seems super risky to be hosting your private data on nextcloud. How do you folks deal with these massively increased threats to self-hosted open source apps?
- codepoet80 4mo agoI only use my ownCloud instance behind Tailscale...
- snailmailman 4mo agoI use nextcloud all the time, my private instance works great and does everything I need it to. But I keep it behind a VPN. It’s got a lot of parts, and thus a lot of surface area. It may be secure but I just assume it isn’t. I rely on the VPN to be the security boundary.
- 0fflineuser 4mo agoHost it in your home an use a vpn to connect to your home network when you are outside, that way it isn't exposed to the internet but you can still access it.
- theK 4mo agoYup, that's the way it has to be. And thanks to the autocomplete on steroids we call Ai nowadays it actually has become way easyier to do such a thing.
- margalabargala 4mo agoKinda like how once chemistry gets complicated enough we call it biology, LLMs have become complicated/versatile enough that it's no longer useful to call them autocomplete.
- longitudinal93 4mo ago
- jacobgkau 4mo ago> Your apps are now available via focused waffle menu for centralized access to all your apps. It reduces distraction and uses the interface space efficiently as your your library grows. "your your" typo aside, I remember when Nextcloud moved from a drop-down menu for the apps to listing them all out separately on the header bar, to make them more visible and reduce the clicks to switch apps. I guess they've changed their minds again; I look forward to when they change them back.
- paweladamczuk 4mo agoThe Euro-Office project is the most interesting part of this announcement to me.
- tomaskafka 4mo agoIs it still a pile of php files underneath, with file sync speed 50x slower than binary implementations and protocols of eg. Seafile?
- hagbard_c 4mo agoYes, it is still PHP. Sync speed is mostly fine though, most of the 'slowness' which Nextcloud is known for comes from the sometimes sluggish web interface. Point a fast WebDAV-compatible file manager [1] at a Nextcloud instance to get a better impression of backend speed. Point it at an image directory and you'll see as many php-fpm processes launched as there are thumbnails to process. [1] https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash is a good web-based example of such a thing, ignore all the guff about needing docker since you can just run the whole thing from a single self-compiled binary. By default it sends some telemetry to the mothership, you can remove that by commenting out the relevant code in server/middleware/index.go, look for the init() function and comment out the endless loop containing telemetry.Flush()
- tomaskafka 4mo agoI remember doing benchmark on LAN about 5 years ago, and Nextcloud was order of magnitude slower than Seafile even for basic file sync (on the order of tens of GB).