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We need a community fund that can be used for things like this. The equivalent of a hardship fund with an aim of protecting our internet freedoms. It's good fo
by AlexMuir 14y ago
We need a community fund that can be used for things like this. The equivalent of a hardship fund with an aim of protecting our internet freedoms. It's good for the world, it's good for us individually, and it's good for business.
Everyone throws a few €£$ in a pot and a few volunteers administer it and do a bit of due diligence to ensure cases are valid. I guess in the US this is the EFF, but there are plenty of cases outside their remit.
It'd be like social security but for legal battles - but I don't think contributing/not should entitle or exempt anyone from funds.
- lambda 14y ago> Everyone throws a few €£$ in a pot and a few volunteers administer it and do a bit of due diligence to ensure cases are valid. You are fairly optimistic about the ease of administering a charity which gives out free money.
- hornbaker 14y agoHow about a Kickstarter for legal defense funds? Is there one out there?
- cynoclast 14y agoI think we need to rethink our society because if the average person can expect to have their lives nearly ruined by a legal battle in which they did nothing wrong, we have a very defective legal system. Not saying we shouldn't do this, but that we shouldn't have to.
- dwj 14y agoSo you think it's fine to allow someone to use your computer to transfer child porn and other illegal stuff with no consequences? While tor might have some legitimate uses, I think 99% of the time it's used for trolling or illegal stuff. It's a pain in the ass for me because I have to keep reblocking it when the ips change.
- droithomme 14y agoIt's past time for a contrarian viewpoint. How about we legalize child porn? The vast majority of the time when it gets brought up is in the context of using it as a pretext to attack civil liberties of law abiding citizens. When there is a child porn arrest it almost always ends up being a honey trap run by the FBI using decades old photos, so it's not like there are many children being protected by these laws.
- dwj 14y agoSounds like a paedophile's rationalisation...
- droithomme 14y agoThanks.
- darkarmani 14y agoYou spelled paedophile the right way. sounds like you know a lot about it...
- gpvos 14y agoDo you have numbers to back that up? I don't have that impression. But maybe our equivalent of the FBI is not as active in setting up honey traps.
- jvanenk 14y agoAh, I have no rights to encryption either then since ... you know ... child porn. Or UPS for that matter.
- dwj 14y agoNo, you misunderstood. My point is that someone else's child porn is going through your computer when you operate a tor exit node - that isn't the case when you just use encryption and transfer it yourself. Also UPS maintains logs of who sends and receives stuff, so they can easily track down anyone sending child porn or whatever through their service.
- Xylakant 14y agoI don't know if it's applicable here or wether they'd help out in austria, but such a fund exists in germany since a couple of month. Their main area of expertise is free speech for bloggers, but running a TOR exit node might just qualify. And they might have legal contacts in austria. http://www.kanzleikompa.de/2012/07/02/verein-speakers-corner-gegrundet/ http://www.kanzleikompa.de/2012/07/02/verein-speakers-corner...
- chollida1 14y agoAgreed. I think one of the biggest benefits of such a fund is that it could employ a lawyer who could look at cases like this to determine who is "worthy" of receiving funds. I don't want to be that guy, but all I know about this is that a guy claims that the child porn that was found was due to him running an exit node. I don't want to say the porn was his, but it's possible that the porn was his. I'd feel better about donating if I knew a lawyer had investigated and found his story to be credible. Hypothetically, what if it was his porn, and then internet raise 1000's of dollars for him and then have this info come out. I'd imagine most people would be like me and never donate to people like this again. After all who wants to knowingly help someone escape justice when they actually deserve jail time.
- DrWhax 14y agoThere are already quite a few funds like that, torservers.net and noisetor.net are examples of that, both have lawyers on stand-by. I recommend donating to these folks to keep exit nodes online!
- chollida1 14y agoI did not know that. Thanks
- smokeyj 14y agoIf TOR was used for sharing illegal files, would you stop supporting it? Seems like you would be against most technology with that mind set.
- chollida1 14y agoThis comment confuses me. I never once took a stand for or against TOR. All I said was: 1) it would be useful to have independent verification of this and similar claims 2) The reason is that if people were fooled into supporting a child pornographer then they'd be less likely to donate to worthy causes in the future. I don't see how that's in anyway a debatable point:) Tor did not once come up in my reply. You really seem to be reaching for something to argue about here. Calm down:)
- stephengillie 14y agoThis is called insurance. Who wants to start a company insuring internet users against civil and criminal penalties? EDIT: ok, it's almost insurance.