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that is abysmal!
by vanuatu 4mo ago
that is abysmal!
- yzydserd 4mo agoMaybe you missed the “25% discount in our shops and cafes” perk for the day you need to be in the office. Score.
- eterm 4mo agoThat's a fairly standard wage outside London for senior developers. UK wages are not great.
- siva7 4mo agoi wouldn't call that standard wage, rather the lowest end of the spectrum where you could theoretically shop a "senior" outside of london.
- n4r9 4mo agoMedian senior dev salary is £70k according to recent job postings: https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20developer.do https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/jobs/uk/senior%20developer.do
- eterm 4mo agoAnd that includes London, it lists "excluding London" as £65k. People overestimate how much senior devs in the UK earn, even after knowing they're not well paid, my usual response to hearing we should be earning £90k+ is, "well give us a job then"!
- sgt 4mo agoA friend is making about £180k / yr in London, and they bought a house recently in London. I think that's a lot, and his wife also makes a similar amount, slightly more. That seems to be the minimum, otherwise you're a renter for life. Pretty nuts.
- uxcolumbo 4mo agoAs a senior dev? What sector?
- philipwhiuk 4mo agoProbably FANG or finance.
- sgt 4mo agoA product lead/architect in Finance.
- stuaxo 4mo agoOutside of Finance that's high for London.
- sobiolite 4mo agoLondon property is expensive, but £180k is a lot more than the "minimum". I am on half that, and I managed to buy.
- tempfile 4mo agoThat is an extremely high salary, and very far from the minimum required to buy, even on your own. A dual £350k income is truly astonishing. You could buy most houses in London in cash after saving for 5 years.
- short_sells_poo 4mo agoWhat? No that will not allow you to buy "most houses in London in cash after saving for 5 years" unless you live far out of town in a tiny place and eat plain rice for 5 years, and even then it'll be long odds. First, you'll take home slightly over half of that net of various taxes and deductions, but let's be generous and say your take-home is 200k. You live very frugally, don't go out, don't really buy anything and keep your costs at 50k a year, including rent (!). That leaves you with 150k a year, so after 5 years you have 750k. This allows you to buy a modest 2-3 bed row house with a postage stamp sized garden in one of the less desirable areas of the city. If you want something that doesn't look like a shed, you are looking at 1 million pounds and up, more like 1.5 million. If you want in a nice area and large garden, make it 2 million.
- dwroberts 4mo agoThe balancing force to this though, is that cost of living outside of London is massively lower
- Ndymium 4mo agoAs a Finnish dev with 12 years of experience, I can only aspire for such salary.
- blitzar 4mo agowait till you hear about the stock grants and vesting schedule
- shalmanese 4mo agoBe warned though, the equity you are granted will be exceedingly illiquid.
- londons_explore 4mo agoAnd you'll have to pay taxes on it despite it being unsellable. Screw those things up, and those taxes will bankrupt you because they can exceed all your other earnings.
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- marysol5 4mo agoWait till you see UK wages, when it's the UK arm of a US firm....
- Natfan 4mo agoamerican salaries must be ridiculous if £70k (~$93.5k) is considered "abysmal(ly)" low! as others have said, some may be in for a very rude awakening...
- FinnKuhn 4mo agoAnd this is for a 36 hour work week.
- nonethewiser 4mo ago$93.5K isn't abysmally low in the USA. Average is about 66k $93.5k is abysmally low for a Senior Solutions Architect in the USA. I would expect at least $175k if not $200k+ on average. Plus stock and bonuses.
- afavour 4mo agoStock... in Stonehenge? I think comparing a job like this purely on salary terms misses a lot. It's a prestige job that will be the highlight of someone's CV for the rest of their career. Not to mention 25-28 days vacation. As someone that's lived both in the US and outside of it there's no denying US salaries are top of the game. But there are a lot of other factors that go into a person's life than salary alone. Long hours in US jobs are not rare at all. I expect folks at Stonehenge are out the door at 5pm sharp.
- nonethewiser 4mo ago> I think comparing a job like this purely on salary terms misses a lot. OK maybe. But that's how the salary compares. Please re-read the comment I replied to. He speculated about salary differences and I gave solid numbers. You are arguing against some unspoken claim that I never made (something like "more money is always better").
- triceratops 4mo ago> I expect folks at Stonehenge are out the door at 5pm sharp. I don't expect that's true for the Head of Stonehenge. You're right about the prestige of that position though.
- soupfordummies 4mo ago36 hour work week, flexible hours, 25 paid holidays and a 10% pension though...