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>Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom 100% of the time turns of all the lights in children's bedroom. Alexa has no problem with this. Disappoint

>Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom 100% of the time turns of all the lights in children's bedroom. Alexa has no problem with this. Disappointing to say the least. Completely useless, I was going to get an Android this year on upgrade cycle. Will check this out first.

bandrami 4mo ago
I'm too paranoid to ever want a home snitch device, so I'm not their target audience, but it always struck me that if it took even ten minutes to debug a problem like that it completely destroys a year's worth of time allegedly saved compared to just walking over to the room and hitting the switch.
- zeratax 4mo ago
  true, but also there is no debugging, right? it's apple's software either it works or it doesn't. (i guess other than connectivity issues) idk if most of my home assistant automations have actually saved me time since i def had to debug them, but the level of satisfaction when they do work is def worth it for me, since i created (and debugged) them haha
  - jon-wood 4mo ago
    Home Assistant automations for me are rarely about saving time, they're about saving mental energy. I no longer need to think about turning off the bathroom lights, my coffee machine is already warm when I go to make my morning coffee rather than standing around waiting for it, and when the washing machine is done I'll get a note reminding me to go empty it.
  - s3p 4mo ago
    Yeah this is true however i will use the manufacturer app if Siri or the Home app doesn't work.
- rafaelmn 4mo ago
  It's not about time efficiency more about convince. It sounds trivial but sometimes it's really useful to be able to do things hands free/without having to move - worth spending the time to install/setup all of this once. I'm in the middle of remodeling a new apartment and all my switches are smart. I won't even have physical switches for some fixtures like window rollers.
imp0cat 4mo ago
Amazon devices get a lot of flak for being too invasive, but at least they work.
conradfr 4mo ago
I press a switch on the wall.
- Scoundreller 4mo ago
  I can’t afford these vintage accoutrements for my shoebox
- rafaelmn 4mo ago
  Good for you ?
Planktonne 4mo ago
> Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom This is a fascinating example. You would initially assume it's just inconvenient versus flipping a switch--this can't be labour-saving by default. The only way it makes sense is if you're doing it remotely; from another room, you're putting your children to bed. That's even weirder though, because you're taking what should be a moment of connection/care and trying to automate it. I guarantee your children would value you taking the time. It's a use-case that is either inefficient or inhuman, and I find it really odd that it's one that you value.
- alt227 4mo ago
  Its always frustrating when people describe a tech issue, and the response to that is not to discuss the issue itself, but just point out ways in which the person reply doesn't agree with what they are assuming is the original posters lifestyle choices. Why waste time and effort just picking apart what someone else does with their free time? I can only assume becasue they disagree with the issues relevance, but that only goes to show the intent of the person replying. They dont care about the tech issue and just want to show why they think they are better than the person with the problem. Human condition i guess!
  - Planktonne 4mo ago
    Tech issues don't exist in a vacuum; the idea that tech--a thing we use to enhance our lives, in a discussion literally about doing that--can only be considered from a purely mechanical standpoint is a thought-terminating cliché at this point. Considering the uses and impact of tech is part of talking about it; you can't limit discussion just to the wires.
    - macintux 4mo ago
      > It's a use-case that is either inefficient or inhuman, and I find it really odd that it's one that you value. You could have simply asked without denigrating the commenter.
      - 4mo ago

bandrami 4mo ago

I'm too paranoid to ever want a home snitch device, so I'm not their target audience, but it always struck me that if it took even ten minutes to debug a problem like that it completely destroys a year's worth of time allegedly saved compared to just walking over to the room and hitting the switch.

zeratax 4mo ago
true, but also there is no debugging, right? it's apple's software either it works or it doesn't. (i guess other than connectivity issues) idk if most of my home assistant automations have actually saved me time since i def had to debug them, but the level of satisfaction when they do work is def worth it for me, since i created (and debugged) them haha
- jon-wood 4mo ago
  Home Assistant automations for me are rarely about saving time, they're about saving mental energy. I no longer need to think about turning off the bathroom lights, my coffee machine is already warm when I go to make my morning coffee rather than standing around waiting for it, and when the washing machine is done I'll get a note reminding me to go empty it.
- s3p 4mo ago
  Yeah this is true however i will use the manufacturer app if Siri or the Home app doesn't work.
rafaelmn 4mo ago
It's not about time efficiency more about convince. It sounds trivial but sometimes it's really useful to be able to do things hands free/without having to move - worth spending the time to install/setup all of this once. I'm in the middle of remodeling a new apartment and all my switches are smart. I won't even have physical switches for some fixtures like window rollers.

imp0cat 4mo ago

Amazon devices get a lot of flak for being too invasive, but at least they work.

conradfr 4mo ago

I press a switch on the wall.

Scoundreller 4mo ago
I can’t afford these vintage accoutrements for my shoebox
rafaelmn 4mo ago
Good for you ?

Planktonne 4mo ago

> Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom This is a fascinating example. You would initially assume it's just inconvenient versus flipping a switch--this can't be labour-saving by default. The only way it makes sense is if you're doing it remotely; from another room, you're putting your children to bed. That's even weirder though, because you're taking what should be a moment of connection/care and trying to automate it. I guarantee your children would value you taking the time. It's a use-case that is either inefficient or inhuman, and I find it really odd that it's one that you value.

alt227 4mo ago
Its always frustrating when people describe a tech issue, and the response to that is not to discuss the issue itself, but just point out ways in which the person reply doesn't agree with what they are assuming is the original posters lifestyle choices. Why waste time and effort just picking apart what someone else does with their free time? I can only assume becasue they disagree with the issues relevance, but that only goes to show the intent of the person replying. They dont care about the tech issue and just want to show why they think they are better than the person with the problem. Human condition i guess!
- Planktonne 4mo ago
  Tech issues don't exist in a vacuum; the idea that tech--a thing we use to enhance our lives, in a discussion literally about doing that--can only be considered from a purely mechanical standpoint is a thought-terminating cliché at this point. Considering the uses and impact of tech is part of talking about it; you can't limit discussion just to the wires.
  - macintux 4mo ago
    > It's a use-case that is either inefficient or inhuman, and I find it really odd that it's one that you value. You could have simply asked without denigrating the commenter.
    - 4mo ago