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I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago

I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.

Ecstatify 4mo ago
It’s the same broken promise every year. All I want is for Siri to set an alarm and open my blinds. That’s enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.
- ryanmcbride 4mo ago
  This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, but what iot blinds do you use?
  - Ecstatify 4mo ago
    I’m using Eve Blinds. They integrate really well with HomeKit. They’re a bit on the pricey side, but the setup is straightforward and they’ve been very reliable for me. ref: https://www.evehome.com/en/eve-blinds-collection https://www.evehome.com/en/eve-blinds-collection
- russellbeattie 4mo ago
  All I want is for iPhones to have physical keyboards. That's enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into touch screens over the years.
- s3p 4mo ago
  Jokes aside, I have been using siri to control my smart home and set my alarm for nearly ten years now. I haven't really had problems with basic stuff like this.
  - lukevp 4mo ago
    Not in the same request. I often want to turn off 2 lights and the other on, I have to build scenes to do this
  - rafaelmn 4mo ago
    >Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom 100% of the time turns of all the lights in children's bedroom. Alexa has no problem with this. Disappointing to say the least. Completely useless, I was going to get an Android this year on upgrade cycle. Will check this out first.
    - bandrami 4mo ago
      I'm too paranoid to ever want a home snitch device, so I'm not their target audience, but it always struck me that if it took even ten minutes to debug a problem like that it completely destroys a year's worth of time allegedly saved compared to just walking over to the room and hitting the switch.
      - zeratax 4mo ago
        true, but also there is no debugging, right? it's apple's software either it works or it doesn't. (i guess other than connectivity issues) idk if most of my home assistant automations have actually saved me time since i def had to debug them, but the level of satisfaction when they do work is def worth it for me, since i created (and debugged) them haha
        jon-wood 4mo ago
        Home Assistant automations for me are rarely about saving time, they're about saving mental energy. I no longer need to think about turning off the bathroom lights, my coffee machine is already warm when I go to make my morning coffee rather than standing around waiting for it, and when the washing machine is done I'll get a note reminding me to go empty it.
        s3p 4mo ago
- jm4 4mo ago
  I don't know why they bother. Clearly, nobody using Apple products cares enough to jump ship. Apple is never going to surpass Google, especially now that they are trying to build their own assistant on top of Google with one hand tied behind their back. There's never going to be a situation where a heavy Google Assistant user switches over to Apple for Siri. Anyone who would have switched from Apple to Google for their assistant likely would have done so by now. Siri just isn't a very important feature. It doesn't bring people to Apple's platform nor does it steer them away. It might bother users that it sucks, but it doesn't bother anyone enough that it hurts Apple's bottom line. Frankly, continuing to pour money into that bottomless pit does more damage. I wonder why they do it.
- dhosek 4mo ago
  A few years ago, the ability to do anything other than a timed walk on my watch with Siri broke. I used to be able to do things like say, “start a 3 mile walk” or “start a 200 calorie walk” and then the latter stopped working and then the former stopped letting me do non-integer numbers of miles and then nothing at all and now I cannot do anything other than start an unmeasured walk or a timed walk with siri and I’m still pissed about that. I don’t want to have conversations with my watch or my phone, I want it to handle simple basic tasks reliably.
  - lucaspiller 4mo ago
    Google did the same bullshit on Android. With Google Assistant (old assistant) I could say "Hey Google, play daft punk" and it would start playing Daft Punk on Spotify. With Gemini (new assistant) it says "sorry I cannot play music, but here are links to services where you can find Daft Punk albums". Fortunately at the moment you can still toggle between them. I guess not for long though.
    - prathamtharwani 4mo ago
      I just tried "Hey Google, play daft punk" with the new Gemini assistant and it works as expected?
      - ezst 4mo ago
        People having extremely opposite user experiences with LLMs. How could this be?
    - 71bw 4mo ago
      I can't even get Gemini to properly call somebody - it is a mess.
    - abustamam 4mo ago
      I can no longer control my lights with Gemini assistant. It'll tell me "I can't do that" or "here's how to turn your lights on" or, in at least one instant, play Ellie Golding's Lights at 2x speed. So now I just use the Google home app and it works as expected.
- jen729w 4mo ago
  > Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years. Orders of magnitude less than the literal trillions that others have?
  - taneq 4mo ago
    I’ve wondered for years if this is what’s happening. They saw the mad scramble and hype bubble when gpt3 was released, and decided to sit it out until LLM tech was a bit more mature and commoditised. Huge call if so, given that missing the bus on AGI (if AGI happened) is a universal existential risk, but it turned out to be the right one.
    - jen729w 4mo ago
      > a universal existential risk I'm not sure it is, if your primary business is selling hardware. People are still going to need a 5" wide screen and battery in their pocket in order to do things.
      - taneq 4mo ago
        AGI will either remove that need, or build its own factory to supply better phones cheaper than we could.
fragebogen 4mo ago
I mean, in comparison with openclaw, etc. capabilities are ofc more restricted. However I don't want to accidentally delete my entire photo album, so I do understand the direction by delivering useful, but somewhat obvious features.
dwroberts 4mo ago
Requiring at least an iPhone 15 Pro also seems like a mistake, unless it’s for actual hardware reasons. The 15 is only 3 years old, this requirement cuts off a lot of potential users I think
- oofbey 4mo ago
  It’s definitely for hardware reasons. They have been aggressively improving the vector math capabilities in their chips, but as anybody who has tried to run a local LLM will tell you, newer hardware works better and you’re always limited in what you can do.
- WorldPeas 4mo ago
  I think it's the requirement of having 4gb+ vram (for gemma+context) free at any one time, any phone older than that cannot materially satisfy that demand: https://iosref.com/memory-processor https://iosref.com/memory-processor
- coevcan 4mo ago
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  - sroussey 4mo ago
    While I generally agree with your sentiment, imaging how they would say it to users: your ai works on iPhone 15 pro but some things will work if it’s a little less private we send things to a server then the regular 15 can do it. Image generation is server based so 15 is ok, but editing an image is not since 15 does not have enough ram but 15 pro does. Etc etc. Or just say: ai for 15 pro not for 15.
  - SchemaLoad 4mo ago
    They would have to build the product twice one for mobile chips and one for server, and then there would be functionality discrepancies. Or even worse, the on server one might work better than the on device one that newer phone users get. If you want hosted AI you can already install the Gemini app or whatever. The only advantage Apple can offer is something that runs on device.
cush 4mo ago
I’m excited at the idea of Siri having its own app, if nothing but for it to not disappear while I’m reading a response.
- deleted 4mo ago
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rTX5CMRXIfFG 4mo ago
I'm happy about using AI for my work as a programmer, but part of the reason why I was initially skeptical of the tech was that I simply couldn't imagine nor feel the need for much AI features on the consumer side of things, i.e. personal phones and devices for casual everyday users. What I want Siri to be able to do today is the same as when it launched with the iPhone 4S about 20 years ago: Just set alarms, calendar invites, tweak device settings, and look up answers on the web. The first three it could already do prior to the Siri revamp, the latter is a really nice nice-to-have for iOS 27... but beyond that, I don't believe that AI has many jaw-dropping areas of advancement within the use cases of consumer electronics. B2B applications of AI is where the money and the wow factor is really at.

Ecstatify 4mo ago

It’s the same broken promise every year. All I want is for Siri to set an alarm and open my blinds. That’s enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.

ryanmcbride 4mo ago
This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, but what iot blinds do you use?
- Ecstatify 4mo ago
  I’m using Eve Blinds. They integrate really well with HomeKit. They’re a bit on the pricey side, but the setup is straightforward and they’ve been very reliable for me. ref: https://www.evehome.com/en/eve-blinds-collection https://www.evehome.com/en/eve-blinds-collection
russellbeattie 4mo ago
All I want is for iPhones to have physical keyboards. That's enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into touch screens over the years.
s3p 4mo ago
Jokes aside, I have been using siri to control my smart home and set my alarm for nearly ten years now. I haven't really had problems with basic stuff like this.
- lukevp 4mo ago
  Not in the same request. I often want to turn off 2 lights and the other on, I have to build scenes to do this
- rafaelmn 4mo ago
  >Siri turn off the main light in children's bedroom 100% of the time turns of all the lights in children's bedroom. Alexa has no problem with this. Disappointing to say the least. Completely useless, I was going to get an Android this year on upgrade cycle. Will check this out first.
  - bandrami 4mo ago
    I'm too paranoid to ever want a home snitch device, so I'm not their target audience, but it always struck me that if it took even ten minutes to debug a problem like that it completely destroys a year's worth of time allegedly saved compared to just walking over to the room and hitting the switch.
    - zeratax 4mo ago
      true, but also there is no debugging, right? it's apple's software either it works or it doesn't. (i guess other than connectivity issues) idk if most of my home assistant automations have actually saved me time since i def had to debug them, but the level of satisfaction when they do work is def worth it for me, since i created (and debugged) them haha
      - jon-wood 4mo ago
        Home Assistant automations for me are rarely about saving time, they're about saving mental energy. I no longer need to think about turning off the bathroom lights, my coffee machine is already warm when I go to make my morning coffee rather than standing around waiting for it, and when the washing machine is done I'll get a note reminding me to go empty it.
      - s3p 4mo ago
jm4 4mo ago
I don't know why they bother. Clearly, nobody using Apple products cares enough to jump ship. Apple is never going to surpass Google, especially now that they are trying to build their own assistant on top of Google with one hand tied behind their back. There's never going to be a situation where a heavy Google Assistant user switches over to Apple for Siri. Anyone who would have switched from Apple to Google for their assistant likely would have done so by now. Siri just isn't a very important feature. It doesn't bring people to Apple's platform nor does it steer them away. It might bother users that it sucks, but it doesn't bother anyone enough that it hurts Apple's bottom line. Frankly, continuing to pour money into that bottomless pit does more damage. I wonder why they do it.
dhosek 4mo ago
A few years ago, the ability to do anything other than a timed walk on my watch with Siri broke. I used to be able to do things like say, “start a 3 mile walk” or “start a 200 calorie walk” and then the latter stopped working and then the former stopped letting me do non-integer numbers of miles and then nothing at all and now I cannot do anything other than start an unmeasured walk or a timed walk with siri and I’m still pissed about that. I don’t want to have conversations with my watch or my phone, I want it to handle simple basic tasks reliably.
- lucaspiller 4mo ago
  Google did the same bullshit on Android. With Google Assistant (old assistant) I could say "Hey Google, play daft punk" and it would start playing Daft Punk on Spotify. With Gemini (new assistant) it says "sorry I cannot play music, but here are links to services where you can find Daft Punk albums". Fortunately at the moment you can still toggle between them. I guess not for long though.
  - prathamtharwani 4mo ago
    I just tried "Hey Google, play daft punk" with the new Gemini assistant and it works as expected?
    - ezst 4mo ago
      People having extremely opposite user experiences with LLMs. How could this be?
  - 71bw 4mo ago
    I can't even get Gemini to properly call somebody - it is a mess.
  - abustamam 4mo ago
    I can no longer control my lights with Gemini assistant. It'll tell me "I can't do that" or "here's how to turn your lights on" or, in at least one instant, play Ellie Golding's Lights at 2x speed. So now I just use the Google home app and it works as expected.
jen729w 4mo ago
> Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years. Orders of magnitude less than the literal trillions that others have?
- taneq 4mo ago
  I’ve wondered for years if this is what’s happening. They saw the mad scramble and hype bubble when gpt3 was released, and decided to sit it out until LLM tech was a bit more mature and commoditised. Huge call if so, given that missing the bus on AGI (if AGI happened) is a universal existential risk, but it turned out to be the right one.
  - jen729w 4mo ago
    > a universal existential risk I'm not sure it is, if your primary business is selling hardware. People are still going to need a 5" wide screen and battery in their pocket in order to do things.
    - taneq 4mo ago
      AGI will either remove that need, or build its own factory to supply better phones cheaper than we could.

fragebogen 4mo ago

I mean, in comparison with openclaw, etc. capabilities are ofc more restricted. However I don't want to accidentally delete my entire photo album, so I do understand the direction by delivering useful, but somewhat obvious features.

dwroberts 4mo ago

Requiring at least an iPhone 15 Pro also seems like a mistake, unless it’s for actual hardware reasons. The 15 is only 3 years old, this requirement cuts off a lot of potential users I think

oofbey 4mo ago
It’s definitely for hardware reasons. They have been aggressively improving the vector math capabilities in their chips, but as anybody who has tried to run a local LLM will tell you, newer hardware works better and you’re always limited in what you can do.
WorldPeas 4mo ago
I think it's the requirement of having 4gb+ vram (for gemma+context) free at any one time, any phone older than that cannot materially satisfy that demand: https://iosref.com/memory-processor https://iosref.com/memory-processor
coevcan 4mo ago
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- sroussey 4mo ago
  While I generally agree with your sentiment, imaging how they would say it to users: your ai works on iPhone 15 pro but some things will work if it’s a little less private we send things to a server then the regular 15 can do it. Image generation is server based so 15 is ok, but editing an image is not since 15 does not have enough ram but 15 pro does. Etc etc. Or just say: ai for 15 pro not for 15.
- SchemaLoad 4mo ago
  They would have to build the product twice one for mobile chips and one for server, and then there would be functionality discrepancies. Or even worse, the on server one might work better than the on device one that newer phone users get. If you want hosted AI you can already install the Gemini app or whatever. The only advantage Apple can offer is something that runs on device.

cush 4mo ago

I’m excited at the idea of Siri having its own app, if nothing but for it to not disappear while I’m reading a response.

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rTX5CMRXIfFG 4mo ago

I'm happy about using AI for my work as a programmer, but part of the reason why I was initially skeptical of the tech was that I simply couldn't imagine nor feel the need for much AI features on the consumer side of things, i.e. personal phones and devices for casual everyday users. What I want Siri to be able to do today is the same as when it launched with the iPhone 4S about 20 years ago: Just set alarms, calendar invites, tweak device settings, and look up answers on the web. The first three it could already do prior to the Siri revamp, the latter is a really nice nice-to-have for iOS 27... but beyond that, I don't believe that AI has many jaw-dropping areas of advancement within the use cases of consumer electronics. B2B applications of AI is where the money and the wow factor is really at.