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>> Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational. As opposed to sending data to known
by tcp_handshaker 5mo ago
>> Not sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in China (or Russia or Israel) seems very rational.
As opposed to sending data to known IP thieves, state actors, and competitors in the USA ? Which one is the most irrational?
- Levitz 5mo agoYou can legally act against one, not against the other. Not exactly a hard question.
- tcp_handshaker 5mo agoLooking forward to the outcome of those legal processes againt the CEOs, that sit behind Trump at the inauguration. After they stole all the knowledge in the world to train their models. And the current administration is drunk on SpaceX pre IPO shares...how did they get them? "Trump Officials Held Millions of Dollars of SpaceX Ahead of IPO" - https://news.bloomberglaw.com/texas-brief/trump-officials-held-millions-of-dollars-of-spacex-ahead-of-ipo https://news.bloomberglaw.com/texas-brief/trump-officials-he...
- sandworm101 5mo agoGiven how little voting power these "shares" have (they are effectively SpaceX trading cards/NFTs) perhaps they were simply printed on SpaceX letterhead? If Musk says a person has "shares" who at spacex is in a position to disagree?
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- tcp_handshaker 5mo agoI would consider editing this while HN still allows it :-)) Or otherwise it may remain here for ever...until the black holes evaporate, as calibration point for the difference between confidence and comprehension...
- SanjayMehta 5mo agoNothing will happen to anyone. Biden preemptively pardoned his cronies, and so will Trump.
- bediger4000 5mo agoThis is an argument against pardons, except that Trump has used instruments of state power against his perceived enemies (Comey James, Schiff, military occupation of Tim Walz state, etc etc).
- Levitz 5mo agoI meant to look for an example of Musk losing a lawsuit and I accidentally came upon another two. Here and elsewhere you are just running propaganda, knowingly or not.
- tcp_handshaker 5mo ago[flagged]
- tcp_handshaker 5mo agoMusk and companies have so far over 950 lawsuits and legal processes for criminal or unethical activity (yes I researched this). Even his data centers and gas turbine deployments are illegal! Lost one lawsuit against the same AI mafia, and if you look at the legal details reason was for filling the claim too late. He publicly called a hero a Pedophile, and got away with it...in court. Now...who do you work for? [1] - "EPA rules that xAI’s natural gas generators were illegally used" - https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/16/epa-rules-that-xais-natura https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/16/epa-rules-that-xais-natura...
- kklisura 5mo ago[flagged]
- SanjayMehta 5mo agoNo one is forcing you to use either.
- MSFT_Edging 5mo agoTechnically yes, practically, good luck.
- joquarky 5mo agoYou can act, but the only winner will be the lawyers.
- vitally3643 5mo agoNo, in very real terms you cannot hold an American corporation responsible for anything any more than you could a Chinese or Russian one. Individual citizens simply do not have the means, and the consequences for trying are life-alteringly severe. In fact the situation is even worse. If you tried to sue a Chinese company as an American citizen, you'd be laughed at and nothing more. If you tried to sue an American corporation, they have the option to either counter-sue, or drag things out so long that the legal fees bankrupt you, or win the case with their armies of lawyers and demand compensation from you that bankrupts you. A private American citizen simply cannot hold an American corporation responsible. Our legal system is designed to ensure this.
- tapland 5mo agoThis has nothing to do with the discussion. Do you have a HN poster bot just acting like an annoyed teenager with gripes about everything? 20 day old new account, what happened to the previous ones?
- subscribed 5mo agoYou can't really act against neither, as the case of Meta "stealing" books, torrenting on the truly industrial scale, sharing books while torrenting, etc, etc, was ultimately deemed okay. In the se country where downloading an album can get a person in debt or worse.
- enraged_camel 5mo agoWe as Americans at least have some amount of influence over American corporations, and enforcement mechanisms for those breaking the rules.
- tcp_handshaker 5mo ago[flagged]
- groundzeros2015 5mo agoI suspect the recent space X S&P decision had something to do with public perception.
- Dylan16807 5mo agoThe decision was to do nothing, though. That's not much precedent for going out and punishing lawbreakers.
- somenameforme 5mo agoI think the odds of that are low. It's not like decision maker(s) are watching social media and going with the vibes, but it's almost certain that there's a rich conversation going on behind the scenes in opaque channels, especially with regards to the AI-only companies. And those conversations are likely what drove their decision.
- groundzeros2015 5mo ago> It's not like decision maker(s) are watching social media and going with the vibes, What do you mean? They are all on twitter! It’s the most engaging activity for billionaires
- somenameforme 5mo agoLol, fair point! But I'd argue two things. The first is that few to none of them are changing their opinions due to the proles. The second is that public vs private opinions often differ, sometimes extremely, especially with influential people. For an example there I think it's fairly certain that some chunk of the people pushing AI believe it's a bubble, and are motivated solely by trying to squeeze the boom window for all they can personally extract. And so their public positions on things, and their private ones may different radically - especially in domains where they stand to win/lose as a result of those issues.
- woadwarrior01 5mo agoOur thieves are better than their thieves. :)