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I think Jane Street is an Anthropic investor, so take it fwiw.
by osti 4mo ago
I think Jane Street is an Anthropic investor, so take it fwiw.
- wartywhoa23 4mo agoThe whole HN is one huge AI ad now.
- OtomotO 4mo agoIt's a cult. And frankly, I am not interested in churches or cults.
- Terr_ 4mo agoIn between some old family history and recent US politics, I think there are other things I'd rather reserve the weighty word "cult" for... However, should it arise, one of the features that might convince me is this: In the name of "loyalty" or "faith" cults require members to burn their bridges, actively cutting off their own potential to escape to any other social support network. That may mean creating enemies out of former associates, humiliating rituals or blackmail material, or simply ruining their reputations through obvious lies.
- OtomotO 4mo agoI don't particularly care about the US or US politics since 2016. Unless you invade a country again and we have to deal with the Fallout for years to come, that is. For example: I have banned all news about Trump administration from my home. It's simply not interesting. He is a toddler, and I have a toddler of my own.
- Terr_ 4mo agoI think I did quite enough to be vague and oblique on that context, so that it wasn't the focus, and any reader could avoid the topic... if they chose to.
- greenchair 4mo agoWhat the leader of the free world says or does is definitely interesting to us.
- OtomotO 4mo agoNot to me. He turns around and changes his opinion more often than his underwear. And he is not the leader of the free world. Not since they bombed Vietnam.
- simondotau 4mo agoThe utility of current-era AI may well be overstated, and the business models of certain companies might be doubtful, but that doesn't make AI it a "cult".
- OtomotO 4mo agoAI is not a cult, HN regarding AI is. It's boring and it's viral and if you refuse to participate, there are still people annoying you with their beliefs. It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel.
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- lukan 4mo ago"It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel." The difference is, if you talk with your shovel, you are talking with yourself. But talking to AI gives you answers and more smart ones, than most humans do. So it is still a tool, but of a very different kind.
- OtomotO 4mo agoAnd here is where we disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect We are no further to general artificial intelligence than we were a decade ago.
- lukan 4mo agoThanks, but I don't need to click, that to know what is inside. And to be honest, a LLM could have give me the same response. (But I made no claims of AGI btw.)
- OtomotO 4mo ago> And to be honest, a LLM could have give me the same response. It could, or it could've hallucinated something :) But then again, I could too, if I smoked enough or fell on my head. Plus it would've produced more CO2 than I did, hopefully :)
- jwpapi 4mo agoI’m looking for an alternative too..
- chvid 4mo agoI thought we were too anti-AI?
- ozim 4mo agoDepends which agent you ask to cherry pick comments for sentiment analysis.
- simondotau 4mo agoPro- or anti-AI, it's seemingly related or tangentially related to half of the discussions on HN.
- josephg 4mo agoI think AI programming just has a bliss period for a lot of people where it feels like you can solve every problem with a prompt. And you can, for a time. Eventually the chickens come home to roost and you realise what a mess you made. Give it some time. We’ll figure out what LLMs are good and bad at. I think vibe engineering will eventually go up on the wall next to static vs dynamic typing and vi vs eMacs. At least, that assumes AI models won’t keep improving by leaps and bounds. We’re in a transition period. It’s gonna be chaos.
- t_mahmood 4mo agoHey, at least vi vs emacs is fun, no matter how crappy as an editor Emacs is, no one is getting paid by privacy invasive corporate, to sway people, to cash out more money
- k8sToGo 4mo agoYesterday I needed a tool for a specific task. In 1 hour I created a working tool with antigravity. Is it something I'd publish or sell or offer to others? Probably not, but I found that quite impressive. It is an extension of the idea "now I can program and create everything." Besides I remember what kind of code we had when we first started coding with AI and now with all these coding agents etc. it has become quite impressive. However, at the end it is still a tool and needs to be used accordingly.
- kennywinker 4mo agoYou can create anything you need as long as what you need is a disposable script, a scotch-taped together single page app, or a complex problem and you have thousands of dollars to throw at tokens.
- toyg 4mo agoI've been playing with local models for some time, and I've been pleasantly surprised of late. A meager rtx 5080 with 16gb can give pretty good results now. The ecosystem is also improving pretty quickly. I have a feeling at some point we will have a "Windows 95" moment (when computing really became personal for the masses) in AI, and things will significantly change shape again.
- signatoremo 4mo agoWell, confirmation bias. You see what support your beliefs, ignoring anti AI articles being promoted.
- narrator 4mo agoIt's also a huge ad for microprocessors. I mean don't people realize we did math before microprocessors? We even had mechanical machines which were much more elegant than these electronic abominations. /s
- superkickstart 4mo ago[dead]
- luka2233 4mo agoI was literally reading through another thread[0] where the OP claimed that HN is anti-AI. I guess HN is decently balanced afterall? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48420827
- alfirous 4mo agoAnd the comments you reply to prove the point made by Dang.
- deepfriedchokes 4mo agoIt’s some Sun Tzu shit. Create a sense of inevitability such that they win the war for financial capital without any fighting, then hope the tech catches up before Capitalists realize they’ve been fleeced. The Dotcom bubble was the same scam.
- wartywhoa23 4mo agoThis, absolutely. It's pure chutzpah, acting like you've already won and poisoning minds with inevitablism, alreadism and FOMO.
- bitvvip 4mo agoDo you still know the Art of War by Sun Tzu?
- karolist 4mo agoWith a huge pile of salt > In July 2025, the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) alleged that Jane Street used multiple entities for market manipulation and barred it from accessing the market.
- benced 4mo agoAnyone with knowledge of Indian regulatory culture would not take this as dispositive.
- tock 4mo ago[flagged]
- ymolodtsov 4mo agoNot all countries and their regulatory bodies are equal.
- donbox 4mo agoYupp, and the American ones, looking the other way, when the President is shilling meme coins
- tock 4mo agoHave you actually looked into the allegations and the response from Jane Street? By your logic companies can commit any fraud in India because if they get caught you can just say: hey cant trust the country.
- ymolodtsov 4mo agoI think you tried to narrow down my general statement. What I'm saying is: not all countries and their regulatory bodies are equal. India is a pretty top-down country with quite a protectionist policy.
- raincole 4mo agoEven if they're not, I'm not sure if we should care a quantitative trading firm's opinions on frontend design...
- zuzululu 4mo agoWhy not ? They might have client facing apps or internal research applications. Such a weird comment.
- solenoid0937 4mo agoJane St's hiring bar is higher than 99% of the tech industry, maybe even 99.5-99.9%. Blog posts from companies like this are interesting in the same way that papers from well respected journals are interesting.
- Sparkyte 4mo agoMost are. Some are paid for. I'm not saying AI isn't a good tool. However the less you understand what you're using and what you're doing the further you stand to geopardize the business you're working for.
- prakashn27 4mo agoThis is why hn is the best. First comment helps to decide if we need to read the article or not .
- blitzar 4mo agoGotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers in this racket. I myself, I pump my investments at least twice a day. Once in the morning, right after I work out. And then once right after lunch. I want to, that's not why I do it. I do it cause I fuckin' need to.
- jstummbillig 4mo agoMaybe a random employees mildly interesting blog post is not exactly where we need to look for a psyop. But that is maybe what they want you to think.
- chvid 4mo agoAs I understand Jane Street they have done great things for OCaml and they also do their own web framework (I guess that big money bin needs a lot of dashboards). I think the designer here takes a wrong approach and sort of falls into engineer envy where he wants to make prototypes as deep and realistic as possible. And that is not really the most important part of the design job. The most important thing is that the right thing gets build (why do we need a JSQL input box? what do we actually want? what are other ways to do this?). And this is often better done with pen and paper sketches, meetings, observation, discussions ... rather than too quickly narrowing on a particular design and spinning into discussions on whether buttons should be on the left or on the right, LLM intricacies etc.
- vasco 4mo agoTaking it slow with paper and interviews works if you think about what you're doing. The other option now is shut down brain and press the slot machine lever one more time. One of the designs has got to be good soon.
- risyachka 4mo agoThis. LLMs helping implement many ideas is a curse and the results speak for themselves. As a non-designer I want to see a thought through 1-2 ideas, not 10 ideas you coded with llm and now the burden of thinking which one is better and why is for some reason is on me.
- ehmorris 4mo ago(I’m the author) making ideas legible and testing them with users is part of the design process regardless of tooling. You can summarize this article as “I find LLMs more effective at making ideas legible vs figma - for the work I’m doing at Jane Street”. This has helped me iterate and it helps me test with users and get better feedback from them. I’m not just prompting “make no design mistakes” over and over.
- solenoid0937 4mo agoNo matter how nuanced your your workflow is, there are some people on HN that just hate AI and will see it as "slot machine go brr" no matter what you say. It is generally pointless to engage with such people. Great article, by the way.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4mo agoJane Street is an investor in most things. How much does that matter? Surely, we would expect Jane Street to invest in one of the major AI companies, right?