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In part it's because they have the best intelligence apparatus in the world. I'm very impressed at how far above their weight they're punching.

s5300 5mo ago
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Chu4eeno 5mo ago
If you can see enough of what an intelligence apparatus is doing to be impressed I'd say they're not doing a very good job. What they seem to be most unique in is the impunity of their operations, like when they assassinated a completely innocent guy in Norway, of all places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair
- ALLTaken 5mo ago
  wow, that's shocking to read. Didn't hear about this in any European news.
  - throwaway27448 5mo ago
    Assassination is sort of the mossad's thing. I highly recommend the book "Rise and Kill First" (by an Israeli journalist Ronen Bergman) who describes this approach to international relations as something approaching an addiction. He alleges they've assassinated more people than any country on earth since their founding in 1948 and lays out a very convincing picture (to the extent he can—there are moments when you can tell he would like to state things more baldly).
m-ee 5mo ago
The best intelligence apparatus in the world missed the Oct 7 planning which Egyptian intelligence noticed, told the Israelis about directly, and still went ignored?
- HotGarbage 5mo ago
  Perfect excuse for the ongoing genocide.
- fakedang 5mo ago
  This is what I ask everyone who thinks October 7 was an attack launched by Hamas of its own volition. Anyone who's been to and seen the Gaza border knows how impossible it is to cross - unless of course there was some inside permittance.
  - SilverElfin 5mo ago
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    - pillefitz 5mo ago
      This is not the point OP wanted to make, and you seem smart enough to understand that.
    - atmavatar 5mo ago
      > Gaza residents voted Hamas into power, despite Hamas’s vile charter pledging erasure of Israel and Jews and so on. Reminder: * The last parlimentary election held in Palestine was 2006 [1]. * The median age in Palestine as of 2023 was 19.8 [2]. * The voting age in Palestine is 21 [1]. In other words, the majority of the population today were born after the last major election, and they aren't voting age now, let alone at the time of the last election. When you account for people who were voting age in the last elections, the number of people still around today is a rather small minority. It shrinks even further when you consider that Hamas only got 44% of the votes for Parliament (alas, due to how district votes are handled, that gave Hamas 74 of 132 seats). Given that, I'm a little less sure about holding the current population of Palestine responsible for Hamas. You could argue they should be doing more to displace Hamas, but perhaps that can wait until after they're done worrying about starving to death or being shot by IDF snipers while accepting food from aid workers. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine 2. https://ourworldindata.org/profile/population-demography/palestine#age-structure https://ourworldindata.org/profile/population-demography/pal... See also: https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians-gaza-elect-hamas/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians...
ALLTaken 5mo ago
France has the best intelligence apparatus. Recommend checking it, that's also why they are way under the radar. If achieving intelligence by any means was the goal, yeah then Mossad. Let's compare facts: There's only 10M people there. I think PR skews reality massively Population metrics deskew this distorted reality: France has 69M, China has 1.4B, Russia 143, Germany 83M people. Mathematically and from a technological sophistication standpoint, these governments must have higher advancements and frequency of successful Intel vs Israel. Mathematical probability speaks against Israel.
kumarski 5mo ago
Where was that apparatus on october 7th?
ed_balls 5mo ago
it's not, they have a good PR. Best intelligence is quiet. >Any man who must say, 'I am the king,' is no true king

s5300 5mo ago

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Chu4eeno 5mo ago

If you can see enough of what an intelligence apparatus is doing to be impressed I'd say they're not doing a very good job. What they seem to be most unique in is the impunity of their operations, like when they assassinated a completely innocent guy in Norway, of all places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

ALLTaken 5mo ago
wow, that's shocking to read. Didn't hear about this in any European news.
- throwaway27448 5mo ago
  Assassination is sort of the mossad's thing. I highly recommend the book "Rise and Kill First" (by an Israeli journalist Ronen Bergman) who describes this approach to international relations as something approaching an addiction. He alleges they've assassinated more people than any country on earth since their founding in 1948 and lays out a very convincing picture (to the extent he can—there are moments when you can tell he would like to state things more baldly).

m-ee 5mo ago

The best intelligence apparatus in the world missed the Oct 7 planning which Egyptian intelligence noticed, told the Israelis about directly, and still went ignored?

HotGarbage 5mo ago
Perfect excuse for the ongoing genocide.
fakedang 5mo ago
This is what I ask everyone who thinks October 7 was an attack launched by Hamas of its own volition. Anyone who's been to and seen the Gaza border knows how impossible it is to cross - unless of course there was some inside permittance.
- SilverElfin 5mo ago
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  - pillefitz 5mo ago
    This is not the point OP wanted to make, and you seem smart enough to understand that.
  - atmavatar 5mo ago
    > Gaza residents voted Hamas into power, despite Hamas’s vile charter pledging erasure of Israel and Jews and so on. Reminder: * The last parlimentary election held in Palestine was 2006 [1]. * The median age in Palestine as of 2023 was 19.8 [2]. * The voting age in Palestine is 21 [1]. In other words, the majority of the population today were born after the last major election, and they aren't voting age now, let alone at the time of the last election. When you account for people who were voting age in the last elections, the number of people still around today is a rather small minority. It shrinks even further when you consider that Hamas only got 44% of the votes for Parliament (alas, due to how district votes are handled, that gave Hamas 74 of 132 seats). Given that, I'm a little less sure about holding the current population of Palestine responsible for Hamas. You could argue they should be doing more to displace Hamas, but perhaps that can wait until after they're done worrying about starving to death or being shot by IDF snipers while accepting food from aid workers. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Palestine 2. https://ourworldindata.org/profile/population-demography/palestine#age-structure https://ourworldindata.org/profile/population-demography/pal... See also: https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians-gaza-elect-hamas/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/11/01/majority-palestinians...

ALLTaken 5mo ago

France has the best intelligence apparatus. Recommend checking it, that's also why they are way under the radar. If achieving intelligence by any means was the goal, yeah then Mossad. Let's compare facts: There's only 10M people there. I think PR skews reality massively Population metrics deskew this distorted reality: France has 69M, China has 1.4B, Russia 143, Germany 83M people. Mathematically and from a technological sophistication standpoint, these governments must have higher advancements and frequency of successful Intel vs Israel. Mathematical probability speaks against Israel.

kumarski 5mo ago

Where was that apparatus on october 7th?

ed_balls 5mo ago

it's not, they have a good PR. Best intelligence is quiet. >Any man who must say, 'I am the king,' is no true king