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Just don't visit USA and you will be fine.

IshKebab 4mo ago
Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.
- BLKNSLVR 4mo ago
  Start setting up profiles ASAP, you want a plausible amount of history for a decoy.
  - hod6654 4mo ago
    How would one do that?
- rvnx 4mo ago
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  - dijit 4mo ago
    thought the culture was “free speech” if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work? When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.
    - picofarad 4mo ago
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      - dijit 4mo ago
        Got it. Opinions are wrong if we have them, but you should be embraced with open arms if you have them about our country. https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirpan-vickrum-digwa-murder-stabbing-police-arrest-video/ https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirp...
        genewitch 4mo ago
        Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what? Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!
        dijit 4mo ago
        you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians. Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.
        genewitch 4mo ago
        https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/ https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru... https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arrested-over-thought-crime-tweet https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres... ok
        dijit 4mo ago
        exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK. Why are you supporting my point?
        genewitch 4mo ago
        in the US we have free speech for citizens (generally). People in foreign countries are not citizens of the US. they do not receive the benefit of our free speech protections (whatever those may be), since they are not, in fact, citizens of the US. you replied with an article about the US Vice President decrying what happened. I thought that to be a non-sequitur, so i asked what you were trying to say. You said you don't arrest people at your border for [speech]. i responded to that non-sequitur with two reports of people being arrested for speech, who cares if it's at the border? that's UK citizens being arrested for "speech", not foreigners! Like, thanks, i guess, for letting us have free speech when you don't? and here we are. * note: i don't think we arrest people at the border, just deny entry. i could be mistaken, though.
      - LightBug1 4mo ago
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      - microtonal 4mo ago
        Fine, we won't be spending our money as a tourist in the US then. Your loss. I'll welcome tourists to Europe, even if our opinions don't align (but JD and Elo, you can leave your election meddling at home).
      - 76SlashDolphin 4mo ago
        But other countries allow you to do so, yet you claim that the US is a bastion of free speech?
    - abc123abc123 4mo ago
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      - josephg 4mo ago
        > As for the US, probably 0.000001% or so had sad experiences at the border. Heh it’s a lot more than that. About 1/3rd of my Australian friends have a story to tell about unfortunate US border crossing experiences. I personally know two (white) people who were denied entry at the border - in both cases for allegedly ridiculous reasons. My partner was arrested at the beach once in the US. The police wanted her to narc on someone she was travelling with and she refused. (The case was thrown out of court by a furious judge, but it was a whole thing).
  - justin66 4mo ago
    It must be difficult traveling the world and remembering all the different ways to be servile.
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  - pyrale 4mo ago
    > Be respectful of the tradition, culture and laws of the local country that you visit and you will be fine. > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. I will plead Poe's law here.
  - alpinisme 4mo ago
    > Think of it like being a guest But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand. But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than gate on current activity in that place is insane (for speech!)
    - dmitrygr 4mo ago
      In a world where people get canceled for things they said a decade ago, and for people whom they are friends with, and for what those friends said a decade ago, you are walking a fine line by not screening your guests’ past DMs
    - rvnx 4mo ago
      If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?
      - alpinisme 4mo ago
        That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)
        rvnx 4mo ago
        If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in. Though I agree with you that analogies have limits. I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry. It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that local cultures are equally legitimate as much as my personal culture.
        4mo ago
  - Hizonner 4mo ago
    > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. Well, that's a pretty damned repulsive view. Countries, governments, whatever, don't have a right to just do whatever they want to their citizens without anybody else noticing. All individuals morally outrank all institutions.
    - josephg 4mo ago
      As a counterpoint: I lived in Melbourne, Australia during the pandemic. We were going for elimination. We tried some of the world’s strictest lockdown laws. Apparently there were protests in NY of all places on our behalf. I don’t know what they were hoping would happen - would the state of NY ask our state to change our laws for them? How bizarre. Our local policies are up to us, thanks. Surely NY had other things to worry about at the time? The news we were hearing of ambulances in NY queueing outside overpacked hospitals… though I suppose the media there was saying equally scary things about life in Melbourne. Our lockdowns didn’t work, but we loved our state premier for trying. He was so popular that the following election, the other political parties didn’t really bother to show up. The opinion of New Yorkers was against the will of most locals here. It was sweet to protest for us. But it had very weird vibes.

Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.

BLKNSLVR 4mo ago
Start setting up profiles ASAP, you want a plausible amount of history for a decoy.
- hod6654 4mo ago
  How would one do that?
rvnx 4mo ago
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- dijit 4mo ago
  thought the culture was “free speech” if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work? When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.
  - picofarad 4mo ago
    [flagged]
    - dijit 4mo ago
      Got it. Opinions are wrong if we have them, but you should be embraced with open arms if you have them about our country. https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirpan-vickrum-digwa-murder-stabbing-police-arrest-video/ https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirp...
      - genewitch 4mo ago
        Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what? Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!
        dijit 4mo ago
        you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians. Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.
        genewitch 4mo ago
        https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/ https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru... https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arrested-over-thought-crime-tweet https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres... ok
        dijit 4mo ago
        exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK. Why are you supporting my point?
        genewitch 4mo ago
        in the US we have free speech for citizens (generally). People in foreign countries are not citizens of the US. they do not receive the benefit of our free speech protections (whatever those may be), since they are not, in fact, citizens of the US. you replied with an article about the US Vice President decrying what happened. I thought that to be a non-sequitur, so i asked what you were trying to say. You said you don't arrest people at your border for [speech]. i responded to that non-sequitur with two reports of people being arrested for speech, who cares if it's at the border? that's UK citizens being arrested for "speech", not foreigners! Like, thanks, i guess, for letting us have free speech when you don't? and here we are. * note: i don't think we arrest people at the border, just deny entry. i could be mistaken, though.
    - LightBug1 4mo ago
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    - microtonal 4mo ago
      Fine, we won't be spending our money as a tourist in the US then. Your loss. I'll welcome tourists to Europe, even if our opinions don't align (but JD and Elo, you can leave your election meddling at home).
    - 76SlashDolphin 4mo ago
      But other countries allow you to do so, yet you claim that the US is a bastion of free speech?
  - abc123abc123 4mo ago
    [flagged]
    - josephg 4mo ago
      > As for the US, probably 0.000001% or so had sad experiences at the border. Heh it’s a lot more than that. About 1/3rd of my Australian friends have a story to tell about unfortunate US border crossing experiences. I personally know two (white) people who were denied entry at the border - in both cases for allegedly ridiculous reasons. My partner was arrested at the beach once in the US. The police wanted her to narc on someone she was travelling with and she refused. (The case was thrown out of court by a furious judge, but it was a whole thing).
- justin66 4mo ago
  It must be difficult traveling the world and remembering all the different ways to be servile.
- deleted 4mo ago
  [deleted]
- pyrale 4mo ago
  > Be respectful of the tradition, culture and laws of the local country that you visit and you will be fine. > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. I will plead Poe's law here.
- alpinisme 4mo ago
  > Think of it like being a guest But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand. But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than gate on current activity in that place is insane (for speech!)
  - dmitrygr 4mo ago
    In a world where people get canceled for things they said a decade ago, and for people whom they are friends with, and for what those friends said a decade ago, you are walking a fine line by not screening your guests’ past DMs
  - rvnx 4mo ago
    If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?
    - alpinisme 4mo ago
      That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)
      - rvnx 4mo ago
        If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in. Though I agree with you that analogies have limits. I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry. It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that local cultures are equally legitimate as much as my personal culture.
        4mo ago
- Hizonner 4mo ago
  > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. Well, that's a pretty damned repulsive view. Countries, governments, whatever, don't have a right to just do whatever they want to their citizens without anybody else noticing. All individuals morally outrank all institutions.
  - josephg 4mo ago
    As a counterpoint: I lived in Melbourne, Australia during the pandemic. We were going for elimination. We tried some of the world’s strictest lockdown laws. Apparently there were protests in NY of all places on our behalf. I don’t know what they were hoping would happen - would the state of NY ask our state to change our laws for them? How bizarre. Our local policies are up to us, thanks. Surely NY had other things to worry about at the time? The news we were hearing of ambulances in NY queueing outside overpacked hospitals… though I suppose the media there was saying equally scary things about life in Melbourne. Our lockdowns didn’t work, but we loved our state premier for trying. He was so popular that the following election, the other political parties didn’t really bother to show up. The opinion of New Yorkers was against the will of most locals here. It was sweet to protest for us. But it had very weird vibes.