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Me too. I’m going to wait a few more years before I visit again. I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been k

by josephg 5mo ago

Me too. I’m going to wait a few more years before I visit again. I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free.

GoblinSlayer 5mo ago
Just don't visit USA and you will be fine.
- IshKebab 5mo ago
  Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.
  - BLKNSLVR 5mo ago
    Start setting up profiles ASAP, you want a plausible amount of history for a decoy.
    - hod6654 5mo ago
      How would one do that?
  - rvnx 5mo ago
    [flagged]
    - dijit 5mo ago
      thought the culture was “free speech” if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work? When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.
      - picofarad 5mo ago
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        dijit 5mo ago
        Got it. Opinions are wrong if we have them, but you should be embraced with open arms if you have them about our country. https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirpan-vickrum-digwa-murder-stabbing-police-arrest-video/ https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirp...
        genewitch 5mo ago
        Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what? Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!
        dijit 5mo ago
        you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians. Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.
        genewitch 5mo ago
        https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/ https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru... https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arrested-over-thought-crime-tweet https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres... ok
        dijit 5mo ago
        exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK. Why are you supporting my point?
    - justin66 5mo ago
      It must be difficult traveling the world and remembering all the different ways to be servile.
    - deleted 5mo ago
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    - pyrale 5mo ago
      > Be respectful of the tradition, culture and laws of the local country that you visit and you will be fine. > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. I will plead Poe's law here.
    - alpinisme 5mo ago
      > Think of it like being a guest But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand. But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than gate on current activity in that place is insane (for speech!)
      - dmitrygr 5mo ago
        In a world where people get canceled for things they said a decade ago, and for people whom they are friends with, and for what those friends said a decade ago, you are walking a fine line by not screening your guests’ past DMs
      - rvnx 5mo ago
        If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?
        alpinisme 5mo ago
        That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)
        rvnx 5mo ago
        If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in. Though I agree with you that analogies have limits. I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry. It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that local cultures are equally legitimate as much as my personal culture.
        5mo ago
    - Hizonner 5mo ago
      > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. Well, that's a pretty damned repulsive view. Countries, governments, whatever, don't have a right to just do whatever they want to their citizens without anybody else noticing. All individuals morally outrank all institutions.
      - josephg 5mo ago
        As a counterpoint: I lived in Melbourne, Australia during the pandemic. We were going for elimination. We tried some of the world’s strictest lockdown laws. Apparently there were protests in NY of all places on our behalf. I don’t know what they were hoping would happen - would the state of NY ask our state to change our laws for them? How bizarre. Our local policies are up to us, thanks. Surely NY had other things to worry about at the time? The news we were hearing of ambulances in NY queueing outside overpacked hospitals… though I suppose the media there was saying equally scary things about life in Melbourne. Our lockdowns didn’t work, but we loved our state premier for trying. He was so popular that the following election, the other political parties didn’t really bother to show up. The opinion of New Yorkers was against the will of most locals here. It was sweet to protest for us. But it had very weird vibes.
microtonal 5mo ago
I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free. I will rather choose not to visit the US for the foreseeable time, maybe never again (have been to the US more than 10 times). Freedom of speech is more important than tourist visits to the US. Well and working there was never an option for me, worker protection, universal healthcare, etc. make life much nicer. Maybe the US will be free enough again in the future, but with its trajectory, I am not betting on it.

by josephg 5mo ago

GoblinSlayer 5mo ago

Just don't visit USA and you will be fine.

IshKebab 5mo ago
Not practical in many cases. I'm starting a new job soon and have to visit the US. No way am I saying no to that (way too good a job). I'll probably just buy a decoy phone for the border.
- BLKNSLVR 5mo ago
  Start setting up profiles ASAP, you want a plausible amount of history for a decoy.
  - hod6654 5mo ago
    How would one do that?
- rvnx 5mo ago
  [flagged]
  - dijit 5mo ago
    thought the culture was “free speech” if you’re denied at the border for expressing speech online at some historic point (non-violent) then how can “respecting the culture” work? When I am in Saudi Arabia, I don’t wear shorts out of respect for their culture; but they don’t go through my instagram looking for pictures of me in shorts.
    - picofarad 5mo ago
      [flagged]
      - dijit 5mo ago
        Got it. Opinions are wrong if we have them, but you should be embraced with open arms if you have them about our country. https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirpan-vickrum-digwa-murder-stabbing-police-arrest-video/ https://dailycaller.com/2026/06/05/jd-vance-henry-nowak-kirp...
        genewitch 5mo ago
        Our VP saying he's upset at both the specific case and the causes thereof of a horrifically botched UK police job.... means... what? Have you listened to your leaders? ever? We do! von der Lyon is my favorite!
        dijit 5mo ago
        you might notice that we don’t ban people at the border for being critical of our politicians. Despite not banging our chests about free speech quite so much.
        genewitch 5mo ago
        https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/ https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-stru... https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arrested-over-thought-crime-tweet https://londondaily.com/retired-british-police-officer-arres... ok
        dijit 5mo ago
        exactly. we don’t have free speech in the UK. Why are you supporting my point?
  - justin66 5mo ago
    It must be difficult traveling the world and remembering all the different ways to be servile.
  - deleted 5mo ago
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  - pyrale 5mo ago
    > Be respectful of the tradition, culture and laws of the local country that you visit and you will be fine. > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. I will plead Poe's law here.
  - alpinisme 5mo ago
    > Think of it like being a guest But I only hold guests responsible for what they say while in my home. Not what they have said to their friends in DMs 6 months beforehand. But the analogy is imprecise because the border patrol isn’t inviting people and revoking invitations when they misbehave. They are granting access to public spaces or revoking that. And the idea that a public place should do anything more than gate on current activity in that place is insane (for speech!)
    - dmitrygr 5mo ago
      In a world where people get canceled for things they said a decade ago, and for people whom they are friends with, and for what those friends said a decade ago, you are walking a fine line by not screening your guests’ past DMs
    - rvnx 5mo ago
      If your guests are bad mouthing you in a private WhatsApp group, would you still invite them ?
      - alpinisme 5mo ago
        That’s why I said the analogy was imperfect. Because border guards (or the state) aren’t “inviting” anyone. It’s not an endorsement to let people in (unlike a friend to your house)
        rvnx 5mo ago
        If I would push it further to the extreme, "you" are inviting yourself. You're not a guest yet, you're inviting yourself, showing up at a stranger's door asking to be let in. Though I agree with you that analogies have limits. I am not even sure of anything at this point, especially after reading the comments around, almost as if it was bigotry. It could be a cultural / education difference too; I was taught that local cultures are equally legitimate as much as my personal culture.
        5mo ago
  - Hizonner 5mo ago
    > It's not your role to decide or interfere in the politics of other countries where you are not a permanent resident. Think of it like you being a guest. Well, that's a pretty damned repulsive view. Countries, governments, whatever, don't have a right to just do whatever they want to their citizens without anybody else noticing. All individuals morally outrank all institutions.
    - josephg 5mo ago
      As a counterpoint: I lived in Melbourne, Australia during the pandemic. We were going for elimination. We tried some of the world’s strictest lockdown laws. Apparently there were protests in NY of all places on our behalf. I don’t know what they were hoping would happen - would the state of NY ask our state to change our laws for them? How bizarre. Our local policies are up to us, thanks. Surely NY had other things to worry about at the time? The news we were hearing of ambulances in NY queueing outside overpacked hospitals… though I suppose the media there was saying equally scary things about life in Melbourne. Our lockdowns didn’t work, but we loved our state premier for trying. He was so popular that the following election, the other political parties didn’t really bother to show up. The opinion of New Yorkers was against the will of most locals here. It was sweet to protest for us. But it had very weird vibes.

microtonal 5mo ago

I‘m also careful with what I say online. US CBP tracks what people post online, and has been known to deny entry to people for being critical critical of the current president. I don’t want to risk losing out on future opportunities in the land of the free. I will rather choose not to visit the US for the foreseeable time, maybe never again (have been to the US more than 10 times). Freedom of speech is more important than tourist visits to the US. Well and working there was never an option for me, worker protection, universal healthcare, etc. make life much nicer. Maybe the US will be free enough again in the future, but with its trajectory, I am not betting on it.