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Do you think perhaps the totalitarian dictatorships perverted the communist aims of the proles perhaps just a little bit? It's absolutely correct that we can e

Do you think perhaps the totalitarian dictatorships perverted the communist aims of the proles perhaps just a little bit? It's absolutely correct that we can easily feed, clothe, house everyone. We can even give everyone comforts. It's mostly greed that prevents it. Greed that capitalism spends $trillions cultivating by brain-washing us all to want more and never be satisfied.

Ray20 5mo ago
Do you think perhaps the totalitarian dictatorships perverted the communist aims of the proles perhaps just a little bit? No, I don't think so. From a historical point of view, everything is quite clear: after communists came to power, the most severe famines occurred even before this totalitarian dictatorship is build, as a consequence of these very tax policies, the purpose of which is "easily feed, clothe, house everyone". Totalitarian dictatorship comes later, as the problem transform to "we can easily feed, clothe, house everyone, but they don't want to, so we should force them"
- gwerbin 5mo ago
  Pretty sure the Bolsheviks developed their bloodthirsty authoritarian tendencies well before the revolution was even won.
- pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
  Could you expand on your second paragraph - I'm not sure I understand your position. Are you saying you think we're not able to provide for basic necessities with our current level of technical ability and available workforce?
  - Ray20 5mo ago
    Our ability to do this is more of a fact. But the socialist distribution system completely destroys this ability.
    - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
      If you're willing, could you go on (expand your point), or link to a treatise that supports your position?
sph 5mo ago
You are correct but > It's mostly greed that prevents it Greed is a human axiom. Anything that depends on humans not being greedy isn't worth the paper it's printed on. That's why capitalism won, despite its many faults: it requires human greed to function.
- onemoresoop 5mo ago
  If that were the case why so much brainwashing is needed?
  - MarkusQ 5mo ago
    Because its the only way the people who would like to be in power and can't manage to produce anything anyone else wants can see to get themselves put in charge: convince enough other people that despite their freedom, high standard of living, etc. they are somehow oppressed.
lII1lIlI11ll 5mo ago
> Do you think perhaps the totalitarian dictatorships perverted the communist aims of the proles perhaps just a little bit? Do you think perhaps there is a reason why any communist regime quickly devolves into a totalitarian dictatorship?

Ray20 5mo ago

Do you think perhaps the totalitarian dictatorships perverted the communist aims of the proles perhaps just a little bit? No, I don't think so. From a historical point of view, everything is quite clear: after communists came to power, the most severe famines occurred even before this totalitarian dictatorship is build, as a consequence of these very tax policies, the purpose of which is "easily feed, clothe, house everyone". Totalitarian dictatorship comes later, as the problem transform to "we can easily feed, clothe, house everyone, but they don't want to, so we should force them"

gwerbin 5mo ago
Pretty sure the Bolsheviks developed their bloodthirsty authoritarian tendencies well before the revolution was even won.
pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
Could you expand on your second paragraph - I'm not sure I understand your position. Are you saying you think we're not able to provide for basic necessities with our current level of technical ability and available workforce?
- Ray20 5mo ago
  Our ability to do this is more of a fact. But the socialist distribution system completely destroys this ability.
  - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
    If you're willing, could you go on (expand your point), or link to a treatise that supports your position?

sph 5mo ago

You are correct but > It's mostly greed that prevents it Greed is a human axiom. Anything that depends on humans not being greedy isn't worth the paper it's printed on. That's why capitalism won, despite its many faults: it requires human greed to function.

onemoresoop 5mo ago
If that were the case why so much brainwashing is needed?
- MarkusQ 5mo ago
  Because its the only way the people who would like to be in power and can't manage to produce anything anyone else wants can see to get themselves put in charge: convince enough other people that despite their freedom, high standard of living, etc. they are somehow oppressed.

lII1lIlI11ll 5mo ago

> Do you think perhaps the totalitarian dictatorships perverted the communist aims of the proles perhaps just a little bit? Do you think perhaps there is a reason why any communist regime quickly devolves into a totalitarian dictatorship?