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I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competi

by ctvo 5mo ago

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

sidcool 5mo ago
He must have done something personally to you.
- adamtaylor_13 5mo ago
  That's... that's not how social perception works at all.
imdoxxingme 5mo ago
Dario is genuinely as bad as Sam.
- turzmo 5mo ago
  I’ve heard this said, but why?
  - spongebobstoes 5mo ago
    he pushes mysticism of the models he's starkly anti-China with a warlike posture that I find dangerous and unappealing Anthropic has a much more confused mission statement than OpenAI in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends
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    - danw1979 5mo ago
      I’d take honesty over deceitfulness any day of the week. I guess I can see why you’d want to bury your head in the sand and pretend powerful people aren’t all that bad.
    - ethbr1 5mo ago
      > in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends At least his ghostwriters do. https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technology https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technol... I have yet to see anything out of Altman that indicates he's thinking about anything other than money or corporate PR.
    - turzmo 5mo ago
      Thanks for elaborating. Can you say more about mysticism?
- xpct 5mo ago
  I've come to dislike most tech CEOs at this point, and the current AI batch isn't making it any better. They rarely hold consistent beliefs, but nowadays are positioned as thought leaders. I wish there was some type of system in-place to hold people to their word, but I can't imagine how it would work.
segmondy 5mo ago
Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.
- azinman2 5mo ago
  What makes you say that
- BonerWiener 5mo ago
  Can you elaborate or give some examples as to why? I dont know much about this subject, last i heard, Anthropic declined deals with Military and government agencies - while OpenAI opened their arms. But i am not
  - MichaelDickens 5mo ago
    I wouldn't say Anthropic is worse than OpenAI, but there's a lot wrong with them. https://anthropic.ml/ https://anthropic.ml/ has a collection of incidents and relevant evidence.
    - danw1979 5mo ago
      Isn’t that site just loudly proclaiming that “pushing the frontier” of AI is inherently anti-social and that employees should be asking the public to “shut us all down” ? That’s their core argument against Anthropic, that they are making progress at improving their models ?
  - mountainriver 5mo ago
    Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI. That alone is terrible. Also OpenAI has done actual work to try and mitigate the downstream negatives effects with UBI experiments. Sam isn’t perfect but it’s deeply unclear that he’s worse
    - Erem 5mo ago
Jcampuzano2 5mo ago
How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.
- mountainriver 5mo ago
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  - latexr 5mo ago
    > At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone He says he does. While everyone around him says he’s manipulative and liar. Let’s not get too carried away on his words when they benefit him. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may-control-our-future-can-he-be-trusted https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may... > has done literal experiments on UBI Like a scam cryptocurrency which was banned in multiple countries. Seems to me Sam is only interested in helping others as longs as it puts him squarely on top. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)#Legal_and_regulatory_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)#Legal_and_r...
  - Capricorn2481 5mo ago
    > At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone and has done literal experiments on UBI Where are you getting this? He goes out of his way to say how dangerous AI, and has implied before congress that only companies with special licenses should be able to develop it.
    - forest32 5mo ago
      It's a rumor being spread by OpenAI employees. https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047 https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047
wg0 5mo ago
I think all US companies are turning extremely anti consumer hostile thanks to unchecked unregulated capitalist greed and I would prefer my money to the Chinese underdogs. Cannot speak highly enough of Deepseek.
mountainriver 5mo ago
The idea that intelligence will be commoditized is completely counterintuitive. It comes from the belief that it can’t exceed our own. This is almost certainly not true at the limit. There will likely by many super intelligences like we see life in the wild
- HDThoreaun 5mo ago
  No, it comes from the idea that the intelligence each company offers at any time will be undistinguishable. Sure some models will temporarily pull ahead, but others will quickly catch up and the intelligence difference won’t matter enough too convince anyone to switch on its own.
  - mountainriver 5mo ago
    That is an incredibly limited an shortsighted view of AI
    - HDThoreaun 5mo ago
      Maybe. Its been pretty true so far though. A singularity is possible of course, but it's also possible that intelligence explosions dont happen, progress is relatively linear, and no one is able to pull ahead long term. If the true bottleneck is hardware it's difficult for me to see how intelligence doesnt become a commodity.
surgical_fire 5mo ago
OpenAI and Anthropic are the same shit. That people think that Anthropic is in any way morally superior is sort of laughable.
hnthrow0287345 5mo ago
>I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. That's why he chose the OpenAI logo
- fakedang 5mo ago
  And the Anthropic logo is a subtle reminder to stuff that ejected out of OpenAI.
rramadass 5mo ago
This is exactly it! Sam Altman is the main perception problem for OpenAI. His background, history, trustworthiness, vibes/interviews etc are all negative PR when seen by the common man. Dario is more knowledgeable, well informed, empathetic w.r.t. problems etc. In short, somebody who seems mature and trustworthy.
notnullorvoid 5mo ago
Sam and Dario are both assholes of the highest order. Sam just has more masks, and is better at wearing them.
- derwiki 5mo ago
  Is he? I don’t remember anyone throwing a Molotov cocktail at Dario’s house

by ctvo 5mo ago

sidcool 5mo ago

He must have done something personally to you.

adamtaylor_13 5mo ago
That's... that's not how social perception works at all.

imdoxxingme 5mo ago

Dario is genuinely as bad as Sam.

turzmo 5mo ago
I’ve heard this said, but why?
- spongebobstoes 5mo ago
  he pushes mysticism of the models he's starkly anti-China with a warlike posture that I find dangerous and unappealing Anthropic has a much more confused mission statement than OpenAI in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
  - danw1979 5mo ago
    I’d take honesty over deceitfulness any day of the week. I guess I can see why you’d want to bury your head in the sand and pretend powerful people aren’t all that bad.
  - ethbr1 5mo ago
    > in interviews, Dario appears to care little for the well-being of common folk, while Sam at least pretends At least his ghostwriters do. https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technology https://www.darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technol... I have yet to see anything out of Altman that indicates he's thinking about anything other than money or corporate PR.
  - turzmo 5mo ago
    Thanks for elaborating. Can you say more about mysticism?
xpct 5mo ago
I've come to dislike most tech CEOs at this point, and the current AI batch isn't making it any better. They rarely hold consistent beliefs, but nowadays are positioned as thought leaders. I wish there was some type of system in-place to hold people to their word, but I can't imagine how it would work.

segmondy 5mo ago

Altman does appear to be an asshole, but I have bad news for you if you think Anthropic are the good guys. If anything, they might be worse than OpenAI.

azinman2 5mo ago
What makes you say that
BonerWiener 5mo ago
Can you elaborate or give some examples as to why? I dont know much about this subject, last i heard, Anthropic declined deals with Military and government agencies - while OpenAI opened their arms. But i am not
- MichaelDickens 5mo ago
  I wouldn't say Anthropic is worse than OpenAI, but there's a lot wrong with them. https://anthropic.ml/ https://anthropic.ml/ has a collection of incidents and relevant evidence.
  - danw1979 5mo ago
    Isn’t that site just loudly proclaiming that “pushing the frontier” of AI is inherently anti-social and that employees should be asking the public to “shut us all down” ? That’s their core argument against Anthropic, that they are making progress at improving their models ?
- mountainriver 5mo ago
  Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI. That alone is terrible. Also OpenAI has done actual work to try and mitigate the downstream negatives effects with UBI experiments. Sam isn’t perfect but it’s deeply unclear that he’s worse
  - Erem 5mo ago

Jcampuzano2 5mo ago

How can you say this as if supporting Dario is any better. At the top level of anything there is almost no such thing as a non-asshole. None of them care genuinely about you they just want your money.

mountainriver 5mo ago
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- latexr 5mo ago
  > At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone He says he does. While everyone around him says he’s manipulative and liar. Let’s not get too carried away on his words when they benefit him. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may-control-our-future-can-he-be-trusted https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may... > has done literal experiments on UBI Like a scam cryptocurrency which was banned in multiple countries. Seems to me Sam is only interested in helping others as longs as it puts him squarely on top. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoin-cryptocurrency-biometrics-web3/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-crypto-eyeball-scanning-orb-problems https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)#Legal_and_regulatory_issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_(blockchain)#Legal_and_r...
- Capricorn2481 5mo ago
  > At least Sam thinks it should work for everyone and has done literal experiments on UBI Where are you getting this? He goes out of his way to say how dangerous AI, and has implied before congress that only companies with special licenses should be able to develop it.
  - forest32 5mo ago
    It's a rumor being spread by OpenAI employees. https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047 https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047

wg0 5mo ago

I think all US companies are turning extremely anti consumer hostile thanks to unchecked unregulated capitalist greed and I would prefer my money to the Chinese underdogs. Cannot speak highly enough of Deepseek.

mountainriver 5mo ago

The idea that intelligence will be commoditized is completely counterintuitive. It comes from the belief that it can’t exceed our own. This is almost certainly not true at the limit. There will likely by many super intelligences like we see life in the wild

HDThoreaun 5mo ago
No, it comes from the idea that the intelligence each company offers at any time will be undistinguishable. Sure some models will temporarily pull ahead, but others will quickly catch up and the intelligence difference won’t matter enough too convince anyone to switch on its own.
- mountainriver 5mo ago
  That is an incredibly limited an shortsighted view of AI
  - HDThoreaun 5mo ago
    Maybe. Its been pretty true so far though. A singularity is possible of course, but it's also possible that intelligence explosions dont happen, progress is relatively linear, and no one is able to pull ahead long term. If the true bottleneck is hardware it's difficult for me to see how intelligence doesnt become a commodity.

surgical_fire 5mo ago

OpenAI and Anthropic are the same shit. That people think that Anthropic is in any way morally superior is sort of laughable.

hnthrow0287345 5mo ago

>I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. That's why he chose the OpenAI logo

fakedang 5mo ago
And the Anthropic logo is a subtle reminder to stuff that ejected out of OpenAI.

rramadass 5mo ago

This is exactly it! Sam Altman is the main perception problem for OpenAI. His background, history, trustworthiness, vibes/interviews etc are all negative PR when seen by the common man. Dario is more knowledgeable, well informed, empathetic w.r.t. problems etc. In short, somebody who seems mature and trustworthy.

notnullorvoid 5mo ago

Sam and Dario are both assholes of the highest order. Sam just has more masks, and is better at wearing them.

derwiki 5mo ago
Is he? I don’t remember anyone throwing a Molotov cocktail at Dario’s house