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True. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway. Trump has nothing to do with it.
by throwaway27448 5mo ago
True. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway.
Trump has nothing to do with it.
- datsci_est_2015 5mo ago> Trump has nothing to do with it. Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? I’m curious what I may be missing.
- throwaway27448 5mo ago> Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? We invaded Korea, and then Vietnam, and a few hundred other interventions that don't seem to be sanctioned by the international community. All because of a hardon for ideology that doesn't seem to actually reflect the interests of the people who live here.
- asdff 5mo agoMost of those were sanctioned by the international community. Look at the participants.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoWe had the international community on a leash after WWII. This means nothing.
- asdff 5mo agoLeash or not, there was international support as a fact.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoGreat. I'm happy you're willing to recognize our fucking empire for what it is
- red-iron-pine 5mo ago> We invaded Korea what a terrible bad faith arguemnt N Korea invaded the south and the UN voted to create a joint force in there to defend it.
- stickfigure 5mo agoNot only is this true, there are about 50 million people in the south who are incredibly grateful for US involvement. And about 26 million people in the north who are, on average, several inches shorter than the southerners due to the end of US involvement.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoThe people in the north aren't worked to death tho
- nephihaha 5mo agoErm, yes they are. There are generational camps as well where people live because their parents and grandparents offended the Kim dynasty.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoWhat evidence of this is there? We have plenty of evidence of the working conditions of south korea, however.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoWe forcibly inserted our forces onto a peninsula to support a state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of people that nominally opposed it. If you want to call this something other than invasion that's your choice. We can all judge what character your faith takes
- LtWorf 5mo agoRemember the guy who promised he'd shut down Guantanamo? Or the guy who made up some weapons so he could invade Irak? Or the guy who ordered Northstream to be blown up?
- noir_lord 5mo agoThe seventy odd million people who looked at Trump and everything he is and then voted for him. The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump. There is little to trust in the United States at the moment, you look a lot like the Weimar republic.
- datsci_est_2015 5mo agoI guess I internally equate “Trump” and “Trumpism” - who’s to say what the chicken and the egg is with that whole situation. > The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump. It is amazing how much people bend the knee to further their own ends. People like Stephen Miller who probably see Trump as a useful idiot, and hold great contempt for him, as long as he can enact his white supremacist agenda. The leftist circles I run in like to joke that this could’ve just been properly avoided if we hadn’t fumbled reconstruction as a nation.
- asdff 5mo agoIsrael seems trustworthy in the sense that their priorities and aims are abundantly clear to everyone. People are pissed about Israel for Iran right now, but, I mean, there is a reason why they are attacking Iran right now and not Egypt or Turkey. You go about and poke the bear like Iran has done for decades with Israel, you get these outcomes. Egypt tried to poke the bear but that was decades ago and they've since learned there is nothing to gain there.
- gchamonlive 5mo agoNobody is buying this narrative of Israel being provoked, because the reaction to the provocation, if there ever was one, is completely disproportional. Israel had settlements in Palestine way before the conflict outbreak, and nothing explains the systematic targeting of civilian infrastructure on Lebanon but for Israel just going supernova, like Germany and Japan back then.
- bluGill 5mo agoIsrael's faults do not mean they were not provoked. Iran has been sending everything they can to anyone who wants to harm Israel. What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing.
- ImPostingOnHN 5mo ago> What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing. It's certainly easy to say "X provoked Y, ignore what Y did first to provoke X".
- gchamonlive 5mo agoI'm sure there was provocation, but we are taking about nations with extremely long recorded memory, so this back and forth of who did what goes back countless generations. It's utterly disastrous to go through this line of thinking when there are millions of civilians either dead or displaced and vulnerable.