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It's kind of insane they trusted us to begin with. Why?
by throwaway27448 5mo ago
It's kind of insane they trusted us to begin with. Why?
- asdff 5mo agoWhy trust anyone? Really what stops a Trump from getting elected anywhere else? The citizens seem smarter or less bigoted? Are you sure that will always be the case given the agitprop in every form of media and internet communication in every language on earth?
- throwaway27448 5mo agoTrue. But we seem like the least trustworthy people on earth at the moment. After israel, anyway. Trump has nothing to do with it.
- datsci_est_2015 5mo ago> Trump has nothing to do with it. Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? I’m curious what I may be missing.
- throwaway27448 5mo ago> Genuinely, what makes the US untrustworthy if not Trump? We invaded Korea, and then Vietnam, and a few hundred other interventions that don't seem to be sanctioned by the international community. All because of a hardon for ideology that doesn't seem to actually reflect the interests of the people who live here.
- asdff 5mo agoMost of those were sanctioned by the international community. Look at the participants.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoWe had the international community on a leash after WWII. This means nothing.
- asdff 5mo agoLeash or not, there was international support as a fact.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoGreat. I'm happy you're willing to recognize our fucking empire for what it is
- red-iron-pine 5mo ago> We invaded Korea what a terrible bad faith arguemnt N Korea invaded the south and the UN voted to create a joint force in there to defend it.
- stickfigure 5mo agoNot only is this true, there are about 50 million people in the south who are incredibly grateful for US involvement. And about 26 million people in the north who are, on average, several inches shorter than the southerners due to the end of US involvement.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoThe people in the north aren't worked to death tho
- nephihaha 5mo agoErm, yes they are. There are generational camps as well where people live because their parents and grandparents offended the Kim dynasty.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoWhat evidence of this is there? We have plenty of evidence of the working conditions of south korea, however.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoWe forcibly inserted our forces onto a peninsula to support a state that exterminated hundreds of thousands of people that nominally opposed it. If you want to call this something other than invasion that's your choice. We can all judge what character your faith takes
- LtWorf 5mo agoRemember the guy who promised he'd shut down Guantanamo? Or the guy who made up some weapons so he could invade Irak? Or the guy who ordered Northstream to be blown up?
- noir_lord 5mo agoThe seventy odd million people who looked at Trump and everything he is and then voted for him. The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump. There is little to trust in the United States at the moment, you look a lot like the Weimar republic.
- datsci_est_2015 5mo agoI guess I internally equate “Trump” and “Trumpism” - who’s to say what the chicken and the egg is with that whole situation. > The entire congress and senate of the US who sit by while he does this and the supreme court who lets him, entire departments of the US government co-opted by sycophants put in place by Trump. It is amazing how much people bend the knee to further their own ends. People like Stephen Miller who probably see Trump as a useful idiot, and hold great contempt for him, as long as he can enact his white supremacist agenda. The leftist circles I run in like to joke that this could’ve just been properly avoided if we hadn’t fumbled reconstruction as a nation.
- asdff 5mo agoIsrael seems trustworthy in the sense that their priorities and aims are abundantly clear to everyone. People are pissed about Israel for Iran right now, but, I mean, there is a reason why they are attacking Iran right now and not Egypt or Turkey. You go about and poke the bear like Iran has done for decades with Israel, you get these outcomes. Egypt tried to poke the bear but that was decades ago and they've since learned there is nothing to gain there.
- gchamonlive 5mo agoNobody is buying this narrative of Israel being provoked, because the reaction to the provocation, if there ever was one, is completely disproportional. Israel had settlements in Palestine way before the conflict outbreak, and nothing explains the systematic targeting of civilian infrastructure on Lebanon but for Israel just going supernova, like Germany and Japan back then.
- bluGill 5mo agoIsrael's faults do not mean they were not provoked. Iran has been sending everything they can to anyone who wants to harm Israel. What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing.
- ImPostingOnHN 5mo ago> What Israel has done is a completely irrelevant to what Iran has been doing. It's certainly easy to say "X provoked Y, ignore what Y did first to provoke X".
- gchamonlive 5mo agoI'm sure there was provocation, but we are taking about nations with extremely long recorded memory, so this back and forth of who did what goes back countless generations. It's utterly disastrous to go through this line of thinking when there are millions of civilians either dead or displaced and vulnerable.
- mhb 5mo ago> Why trust anyone? Because comparative advantage.
- JuniperMesos 5mo agoThere have been many elections in many political entities where a politician got elected because one group of citizens really liked that politician; and another group of citizens thought that politician was extremely, historically bad. This is inherent to mass democracy itself in any polity where there are real and deep-seated differences between different groups of the electorate. "A Trump" - in the sense of a politician whose opponents describe in apocalyptic terms and consider that politician's supporters to be stupid and bigoted - gets elected all the time in all sorts of places.
- watwut 5mo agoTrump can be voted in everywhere, but american constitution makes curruption effectively legal, president effectively lawless and provides no balance to unchecked presidential power. Money in politics are speech, so just unlimited, so any person even having change to be president have to do what Epstein class like. And it is constitution itself. America had lawd trying to deal with above and supreme court gutted them.
- slavik81 5mo agoAmericans were our brothers. We had been partners for over a hundred years.
- fakedang 5mo agoI like this analogy - sparring with each other like toddlers do, before realizing that they have a lot in common as they age, like the English language, industrialization, the systemic abuse of natives, Big Oil, the World Wars and racism. Now that they're older, they're sparring once again, just like siblings do over the parents' estate.
- gflarity 5mo agoThis is terrible analogy. We're more like neighbours, and US is a bully. We made a decision not to have much a fence before we were friendly neighbours. We regret that decision, and are planting a hedge and reaching out to our other "neighbours" for support. The whole neighbourhood thinks you're assholes and bullies, we're all scared. But that is bring us closer together as result, so there's some upside. Racism? Oh man, visit any other country that is more homogenous.... lol. Everything is relative.
- fakedang 5mo agoSiblings can also be bullies. Canadian and American racism is documented in specific events, unlike in other countries. I'd be hard pressed to find specific racism-driven events in Poland or Czechia, even though they top the racist charts. I'm not American so your second point is completely moot.
- throwaway27448 5mo agoSir, Nawrocki is only the president because of racist pressures. I don't even hate him but you cannot argue that he would be elected if it weren't for fear of foreigners.
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- khriss 5mo agoBecause Trump is a new, and (hopefully!) a one time phenomenon. He is unique in that he seems to have absolute control over the Republican base which makes all internal party checks fail. The rest is provided by a hyper polarized media landscape and a conservative supreme court majority that seems to be open to radical upheavals. The combination of all three has rendered the constitutional safe guards ineffective. In other words, we seem to have run into an edge case in the US constitution. The supreme court won't change materially in the near future and likely the polarization will continue, but it's hard to image someone in the future with such an absolute grip on either party. So, hopefully a soft restart of the system in 2028 will be the last of this edge case for a while. That's the hope, anyway! The two countries have far more in common shared interests than differences, so odds are things will drift back to normal in the future.
- dleslie 5mo agoTrump did not rise to power in isolation. He has not remained in isolation while in power. Voter support for Trump is still reasonably strong, and Trump and his supporters have ensured that the mechanisms of Government are packed with loyalists. America chose this. America continues to tolerate this. America enabled this. This isn't something that Trump can be scapegoated for. This is what many Americans wanted, or at the very least, it is what many Americans are willing to tolerate.
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- jleyank 5mo agoErm, Apple gear, cheap stuff, and much of the generic drug market comes from those ChiComs. Or is it ok if the US does it?
- YawningAngel 5mo agoAs someone unfamiliar with the US-Canada trade relationship, it would be helpful if you developed this argument instead of stating it as a fact. I'm not well-placed to know whether your belief that Canada has bilked the US out of 46 billion dollars is well-founded or not.