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Xiaomi MiMo Token Plan is Now Globally Available

79 points by mariopt 4mo ago

ChrisArchitect 4mo ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814
mariopt 4mo ago
MiMo-V2.5 Series Input (Cache Hit) Input (Cache Miss) Output mimo-v2.5-pro $0.0036 $0.435 $0.87 mimo-v2.5 $0.0028 $0.14 $0.28
- discordance 4mo ago
  For reference (input cache hit, input cache miss, output): Deepseek V4 Flash: $0.0028, $0.14, $0.28 Deepseek V4 Pro: $0.145, $1.74, $3.48 GPT 5.5: $0.5, $5, 430 GPT 5.5 Pro: $0.5, $30, $180 Claude Sonnet 4.6: $0.30, $3, $15 Claude 4.7 Opus: $0.5, $5, $25
  - mynegation 4mo ago
    GPT 5.5: 430 or $30?
    - sgc 4mo ago
      They missed the shift key for the $ sign.
  - aftbit 4mo ago
    $ / 1 million tokens
genxy 4mo ago
This is because the users are training the product. They need training data, so they sell inference at the price of power.
- gruez 4mo ago
  ? >API Services . If you use the API services, we will collect your IP address and the content (text, audio, video, picture) you submit to analyze the relevant instructions based on the model you select and to generate the returned content. Xiaomi will not use the content you provide for model training or any other purposes. https://privacy.mi.com/XiaomiMiMoPlatform/en_GB/ https://privacy.mi.com/XiaomiMiMoPlatform/en_GB/
  - colechristensen 4mo ago
    And what legal recourse do you have if they don't follow those rules?
    - windexh8er 4mo ago
      You have no recourse in the US, either. Trust no one is the only path given all of the training data is stolen in the first place. It will come to light that one or many of the Frontier providers held the data, changed ToS and trained later minimally. But I think they just don't care and will train regardless. None of them abide by any level of ethics that would actually prevent them from leveraging an opportunity.
  - koteelok 4mo ago
    Chinese corporation would never lie
- Tiberium 4mo ago
  ChatGPT (the setting is shared with Codex) and Claude (shared with Claude Code) also have sharing enabled by default, so why aren't they cheaper?
  - koteelok 4mo ago
    They are? They give away thousands of dollars via subs.
  - Springtime 4mo ago
sea-gold 4mo ago
Other thread (with many more comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814
faitswulff 4mo ago
I wonder how much of DeepSeek and Xiaomi's pricing cuts can be traced back to cheap energy in China.
- colechristensen 4mo ago
  In China the state and corporations can blend so it's difficult to tell the difference between the two. It is known for government sponsored dumping to meet some state goal or another.
  - faitswulff 4mo ago
    This runs counter to the last 50 years of American propaganda espousing the inefficiency of government. If the Chinese government can just throw money at industries and have them flourish, why can't other governments?
    - idiotsecant 4mo ago
      The Chinese economy is deeply weird from a western perspective. Culture and economics are not orthogonal.
      - Forgeties79 4mo ago
        Highly recommend everyone check out Breakneck. Felt like that gave me my first real insight into the relationship of the government and business in China.
      - Haven880 4mo ago
        It is basically Tang dynasty with tech and CCP members or politburo running the country instead of just 1 emperor. It is deeply ingrain into Chinese culture for 5 millennia. The closest thing is like American arguing about 1st and the love of guns. We are at around LiSiMin CCP peak China. Hopefully there won't be a repeat of Anlushan like incident. America system is really oligarchy cowboys with private cowboys taking turn running the government supported by other cowboys.
dlev_pika 4mo ago
Business Model 2026 1. Dump product to corner the market 2. Kill competition 3. Raise prices, enshitify things 4. Profit
- onlyrealcuzzo 4mo ago
  With the latest GRAM architecture just announced, I won't be surprised if there's a model than can run on a MacBook pro M5 that outperforms the best frontier model at implementation in 1 year, and in 2 years, a MacBook Neo. The frontier models are going to need to REALLY up their game if they can justify $200/mo for pretty awful experiences.
infocollector 4mo ago
Does anyone know what cards these guys are running it?
theNewDevTalks 4mo ago
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79 points by mariopt 4mo ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814

MiMo-V2.5 Series Input (Cache Hit) Input (Cache Miss) Output mimo-v2.5-pro $0.0036 $0.435 $0.87 mimo-v2.5 $0.0028 $0.14 $0.28

discordance 4mo ago
For reference (input cache hit, input cache miss, output): Deepseek V4 Flash: $0.0028, $0.14, $0.28 Deepseek V4 Pro: $0.145, $1.74, $3.48 GPT 5.5: $0.5, $5, 430 GPT 5.5 Pro: $0.5, $30, $180 Claude Sonnet 4.6: $0.30, $3, $15 Claude 4.7 Opus: $0.5, $5, $25
- mynegation 4mo ago
  GPT 5.5: 430 or $30?
  - sgc 4mo ago
    They missed the shift key for the $ sign.
- aftbit 4mo ago
  $ / 1 million tokens

genxy 4mo ago

This is because the users are training the product. They need training data, so they sell inference at the price of power.

gruez 4mo ago
? >API Services . If you use the API services, we will collect your IP address and the content (text, audio, video, picture) you submit to analyze the relevant instructions based on the model you select and to generate the returned content. Xiaomi will not use the content you provide for model training or any other purposes. https://privacy.mi.com/XiaomiMiMoPlatform/en_GB/ https://privacy.mi.com/XiaomiMiMoPlatform/en_GB/
- colechristensen 4mo ago
  And what legal recourse do you have if they don't follow those rules?
  - windexh8er 4mo ago
    You have no recourse in the US, either. Trust no one is the only path given all of the training data is stolen in the first place. It will come to light that one or many of the Frontier providers held the data, changed ToS and trained later minimally. But I think they just don't care and will train regardless. None of them abide by any level of ethics that would actually prevent them from leveraging an opportunity.
- koteelok 4mo ago
  Chinese corporation would never lie
Tiberium 4mo ago
ChatGPT (the setting is shared with Codex) and Claude (shared with Claude Code) also have sharing enabled by default, so why aren't they cheaper?
- koteelok 4mo ago
  They are? They give away thousands of dollars via subs.
- Springtime 4mo ago

sea-gold 4mo ago

Other thread (with many more comments): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48282814

faitswulff 4mo ago

I wonder how much of DeepSeek and Xiaomi's pricing cuts can be traced back to cheap energy in China.

colechristensen 4mo ago
In China the state and corporations can blend so it's difficult to tell the difference between the two. It is known for government sponsored dumping to meet some state goal or another.
- faitswulff 4mo ago
  This runs counter to the last 50 years of American propaganda espousing the inefficiency of government. If the Chinese government can just throw money at industries and have them flourish, why can't other governments?
  - idiotsecant 4mo ago
    The Chinese economy is deeply weird from a western perspective. Culture and economics are not orthogonal.
    - Forgeties79 4mo ago
      Highly recommend everyone check out Breakneck. Felt like that gave me my first real insight into the relationship of the government and business in China.
    - Haven880 4mo ago
      It is basically Tang dynasty with tech and CCP members or politburo running the country instead of just 1 emperor. It is deeply ingrain into Chinese culture for 5 millennia. The closest thing is like American arguing about 1st and the love of guns. We are at around LiSiMin CCP peak China. Hopefully there won't be a repeat of Anlushan like incident. America system is really oligarchy cowboys with private cowboys taking turn running the government supported by other cowboys.

dlev_pika 4mo ago

Business Model 2026 1. Dump product to corner the market 2. Kill competition 3. Raise prices, enshitify things 4. Profit

onlyrealcuzzo 4mo ago
With the latest GRAM architecture just announced, I won't be surprised if there's a model than can run on a MacBook pro M5 that outperforms the best frontier model at implementation in 1 year, and in 2 years, a MacBook Neo. The frontier models are going to need to REALLY up their game if they can justify $200/mo for pretty awful experiences.

infocollector 4mo ago

Does anyone know what cards these guys are running it?

theNewDevTalks 4mo ago

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