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The dark pattern was adding the name of the product. An acceptable pattern would be “Written with the help of an LLM”.
by cautiouscat 5mo ago
The dark pattern was adding the name of the product. An acceptable pattern would be “Written with the help of an LLM”.
- neilv 5mo agoI disagree. Imagine a human co-author on a work. "Written with a co-author" would not be sufficient attribution.
- cautiouscat 5mo agoThat’s Apples to Oranges. Me saying “Co-authored by Joe Smith” gives the human, Joe Smith, possible exposure and definite credit. “Co-authored by Copilot” gives a multi billion dollar corp free advertising. I don’t care about them. I do care about Joe though.
- neilv 5mo agoPositive credit is not the only purpose of attribution. There's also the named authors not taking credit for something they didn't fully do, regardless of whether the credit goes to someone else. There's also traceability, if the authors/provenance needs to be considered because of some kind of problem or potential problem -- technical, legal, security, or otherwise.
- bigyabai 5mo ago> There's also the named authors not taking credit for something they didn't fully do Advertising in git commits is not ever going to substantially discredit these people or hold them accountable.
- smeej 5mo agoYour caring about the entity cited doesn't actually change the nature of the citation. Your saying "Co-authored by Copilot" does the same thing--gives Copilot possible exposure and definite credit--even if it doesn't need it and you don't care about it.
- dylan604 5mo agoKnowing it was Copilot vs Claude vs ChatGPT makes a difference just like knowing it was Joe Smith vs John Doe
- bigyabai 5mo agoJust like how you know that Brawndo™ is the different, better version of the pedestrian "water" that everyone drinks. How could it possibly be product placement? It's got electrolytes!
- groby_b 5mo agoIt really doesn't. Same as we don't say "written with vi" or "written by Emacs", even if it is intuitively clear one of the two is better.
- zuzululu 5mo agoI don't know why dylan604 is trying to die on this hill but thats the point, you can't tell apart people using different tools, everybody has their own preferences. Case in point, I have no way to know if dylan604 is even a real human at this point.
- ok_dad 5mo agoA clanker isn’t a human it’s a tool. I don’t write “Coauthored by VSCode” when I use find and replace.
- awesome_dude 5mo agoI know this is a bit off tangent - but can you please convey that point to every damned dev/team that ends up with a freaking ".vscode" directory in their repo
- sodapopcan 5mo agoThey don't know what a global git ignore is and if you tell them they don't care.
- bulbar 5mo agoI have done that in the past to provide zero-setup development environments for our internal python packages. What's the problem with the approach?
- rrvsh 5mo agoDo you also have .DS_Store tracked? If not, you are obviously not who the commenter is referring to and missing the point
- 1718627440 5mo agoI use the GNU Autotools toolchain to generate VSCode folders. We are not the same! (The first sentence isn't a joke.)
- sheept 5mo agoFind and replace behaves the same in most IDEs, but for large changes, the specific LLM can affect the generated code for the same prompt
- ok_dad 5mo ago
- tadfisher 5mo agoWhy does the LLM need the same attribution as a human? Feels like a false equivalence.
- SpicyLemonZest 5mo agoI get the opposition to product names, but as someone who's trying hard to make an OpenAI boycott work, I personally value being told which LLM in particular is responsible.