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Specs are insane but why does it look like a budget sedan with a cool paint job? This sounds kind of fun. It’s curious they weren’t allowed to drive though..
by bix6 5mo ago
Specs are insane but why does it look like a budget sedan with a cool paint job?
This sounds kind of fun. It’s curious they weren’t allowed to drive though..
> But I can say that the Torque Shift Engagement system — which gives the driver five power levels on the right paddle and five engine-braking levels on the left — is one of the most intriguing ideas I’ve seen in an electric car. It doesn’t simulate gear changes. It creates an entirely new torque language controlled by the driver, introducing an active decision-making element to trajectory management that sounds like it could restore the kind of driver engagement that many enthusiasts fear EVs have lost.
- LanceJones 5mo agoJust 280+ mile EPA range on a 122 kwH battery. 5100 pounds. 2.5s to 60. Not insane by any standard, ICE or EV.
- anvuong 5mo agoYeah that's actually rather inefficient. Tesla Model Y has 84kWh battery and a range of 300 miles.
- thrownthatway 5mo agoDoes it really?
- margalabargala 5mo agoNo, but we're comparing the EPA ranges here, which is the point of them.
- thrownthatway 5mo agoThe point of the EPA ranges are to be misleading. The car manufacturers are well aware of what their vehicles achieve in real world usage. It would be trivial for them to give and prospective buyer indicative ranges for any particular geographical area.
- margalabargala 5mo agoYou're missing the point. The actual number of the EPA range is imaginary, yes. But it's useful for comparisons. But if we're talking about comparisons between two vehicles, the vehicle with a 122kWh battery and a 280 EPA range will go less far and is much less efficient than the vehicle with a 84kWh batter and a 300 EPA range.
- thrownthatway 5mo ago[flagged]
- margalabargala 5mo agoThanks for the thoughtful, eloquent response.
- rootusrootus 5mo agoNot really, no, except in narrow circumstances.
- amarant 5mo agoI've done Stockholm - Oslo on a single charge in early winter, which is almost exactly that distance, so I'd say it does! Even kept me nice and toasty along the way!
- overfeed 5mo ago> Yeah that's actually rather inefficient Unsurprising, for a Ferrari. I suspect it's designed for performance and not efficiency. Atrocious mileage is par for the course in this segment (see the Veyron)
- nradov 5mo agoA lot of Ferraris are driven less than 280 miles per year.
- bathtub365 5mo agoThey’ve historically had eye watering regular maintenance bills, even outside of them generally having a reputation for being temperamental. Maybe Ferrari will continue pioneering in their own way and make an unreliable and expensive to own EV
- threwrfaway 5mo ago[dead]
- p1necone 5mo agoChasing "driver engagement" during regular driving at/below speed limit on regular public roads strikes me as a bit pointless. You're just trying to add friction to the process because there happened to be friction in the past. And when you're not going the speed limit on regular public roads here's plenty of "driver engagement" to be had going too fast round tight corners (hopefully on a track, but we can't all be perfect ;)) regardless of whether there's some weird obfuscation between you and the actual mostly flat torque curve of the electric engine as long you build good suspension, body stiffness, put decent tires on it, don't make it too heavy etc. I would love Lotus to make another road legal go-kart and slap an electric engine in it.
- pclmulqdq 5mo agoThe look is nothing less than I would expect from "make it thinner and round the corners" pioneer Jony Ive. I don't know why people insist on EVs being kind of ugly and boxy, but Ferrari had a chance to do better and didn't.
- ChadNauseam 5mo agoI think energy efficiency matters more with EVs, because it determines how frequently you have to charge on road trips, and more aerodynamic designs look a bit uglier.
- aaronbrethorst 5mo agoIt's a $650,000 car. These are not anyone's top priorities with it.
- binkHN 5mo ago> energy efficiency matters more with EVs This is correct, but I really don't see why Ferrari would care.
- MitziMoto 5mo agoExactly! Many Ferraris of the past have gotten single digit MPG, no one cares. All of a sudden they have to make a Chinese looking EV because of "efficiency"? Give me a break.
- simondotau 5mo agoAero efficiency means going faster and going for longer without making the battery heavier. The cost and packaging aspects of bigger batteries doesn’t matter to Ferrari, but speed & handling absolutely does, and weight is a definite speed/handling penalty.
- ehnto 5mo agoFerrari makes hypercars, they know a thing or two about making aerodynamics look good. It's a primary concern of all their designs and yet all their other designs look a lot better than this. I think they are just falling into the same trap all other manufacturers do at first. They think the customer buying the EV is a different customer, who didn't like their other cars. So they make the techno-future mobile for a customer that doesn't exist. Just make the same cars with an EV drivetrain, that's what the person who loves your brand but is in the market for an EV wants.
- nnevatie 5mo ago> It creates an entirely new torque language controlled by the driver Oh wow, sounds like some corporation BS if I ever read some. My EV works by pressing the gas pedal and the torque is right there - not sure what revolutionary new invention is required?
- decimalenough 5mo agoDriving manual/stick is considered "manly" and a lot of sports car enthusiasts would never drive an automatic. So I presume this multilevel "torque language" bullshit is basically a way to retrofit stick shift into an EV that has no mechanical need for it.
- nnevatie 5mo agoYes, this must be it. There's no experience like driving a manual with a two-plus ton vehicle.
- brailsafe 5mo agoAgreed, I'm driving a ~2000kg truck atm with a stick shift from the 90s and a V8 in a hilly city and it's so much more fun than the arbitrary compact cars I've been borrowing for years. Super mega scary on gas, but fun nonetheless as on occasional leisure thing.
- bombcar 5mo agoIf you enjoy that, get a Deuce and a Half - not much worse on gas (lol) but the shift pattern is something else entirely.
- brailsafe 5mo agoI've never heard of this, but it looks incredible. I've seen some similar looking beasts around that seem to be modified for apocalypse survival and would love to try and drive it, as long as I don't have to reverse it up a slope lol
- dyauspitr 5mo agoI don’t understand the EU’s love for the stick shift. Auto transmissions have been better for a long time and with EVs you don’t need that abomination at all. Imagine needing to push a lever every few seconds while driving.
- devnullbrain 5mo agoWeird that you don't understand it. Have you read any of the replies in the multitudes of times you've invariably seen this discussion come up online?
- venzaspa 5mo agoThey only really became better (more efficient) when they ditch torque converters and use some form of direct shift automatic gearbox or CRV instead which adds complexity. Small and cheap cars are far more popular in Europe and both of the above add cost and complexity. I've driven manual cars daily for years and once you get used to it, changing gears is not even something you think about.