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Who is actually writing this very concerning California Internet legislation, which will ultimately affect the entire nation and world? Did someone write Calif

by neilv 5mo ago

Who is actually writing this very concerning California Internet legislation, which will ultimately affect the entire nation and world? Did someone write California Internet legislation without consulting any California Internet companies? Did some California Internet companies write California Internet legislation? Did some other party write California Internet legislation?

pwg 5mo ago
If you go take a read through the CA bill text that "became law", you'll quickly realize that whomever did write it must live in a very narrow bubble where the only "computers" that exist in the world are tablet style cell phones, the only OS'es that exist in the world are Android and iOS, and the only way anyone installs any software on the only computers that exist is via an "app store". Meanwhile, while the overall writing clearly indicates the author has a very narrow view of "computers", the definitions of the terms is so broad that every computer, even the tiny embedded CPU in your microwave oven, might just need to ask your age before it allows you to do anything.
- wtallis 5mo ago
  > every computer, even the tiny embedded CPU in your microwave oven, might just need to ask your age before it allows you to do anything. Why do I keep seeing this bullshit exaggeration? It doesn't help anything to make such ridiculous statements. Nobody's microwave oven has an app store.
  - inetknght 5mo ago
    > Nobody's microwave oven has an app store. Meanwhile, Samsung refrigerators can have an app store.
pizzafeelsright 5mo ago
No, no, and absolutely. The bill is written 'do good, stop bad stuff by establishing a committee or group to make sure fund good stuff, bad stuff doesn't happen' then the law passes and lobbyists write the details that fund the programs that tax the people that generate the income for companies that donate to the politicians that sell their votes to the lobbyists and interest groups. California politicians start with the end goal "maintain power, secure revolt, obtain capital, deny failure". It goes beyond lying to your face. They will be convincingly genuine, heartfelt, while finding a way to extract as much as possible for themselves, by extension their party, by extension the 'government' and do absolutely anything to keep the illusion that you have a choice, a vote, and a voice. I lived here my whole life. These politicians are evil. Lie, cheat, and steal - deny if caught, punish if provoked.
jeffbee 5mo ago
The bill was written by Buffy Wicks, who represents me in the State Assembly, who is very good on housing, transportation, and climate, and who should absolutely stay in her lane and not try to legislate platform APIs.
oceansky 5mo ago
Meta alone spent 2 billion dollars lobbying for this worldwide, and it was a massive success, it's passing everywhere unanimously.
- Aurornis 5mo ago
  Meta has not spent $2 billion lobbying for this or on lobbying altogether. It’s amazing how that one AI slop project that made this claim got so many people to believe this number. Spreading this disproven AI slop around isn’t helping. It just makes opposition look like uninformed conspiracy theorists who can’t fact check anything.
  - frm88 5mo ago
    Meta is lobbying to get age verification installed at the OS level so that they don't have to bear the cost themselves. I know nothing of the $2B but the fact that Meta influences the legislation can hardly be denied: During the meeting, Meta executives, including Antigone Davis, global head of safety, are understood to have argued that any age checks should be handled on a smartphone operating system rather than by the likes of Meta. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/meta-urges-labour-burden-apple-142724331.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/meta-urges-labo...
- thesmtsolver2 5mo ago
  Citation for this claim? Searching lands on this page without any citations and seems AI generated slop: https://captaincompliance.com/education/meta-is-spending-2-billion-to-build-a-surveillance-system-it-just-doesnt-want-you-to-call-it-that/ https://captaincompliance.com/education/meta-is-spending-2-b...
  - Aurornis 5mo ago
    There was an AI generated slop report posted to Reddit that went viral. It even got some news coverage before anyone stopped to read the files and discover that it was gibberish. I still get downvoted for pointing it out and trying to ground the conversation in facts. As you noticed the story continues to thrive on bad news sites and social media.
ErroneousBosh 5mo ago
> Who is actually writing this very concerning California Internet legislation, which will ultimately affect the entire nation and world? Why would it affect the entire world? One technological backwater is Having A Massive Sad over people using rude words on the internet, so they think they can tell everyone else what do to?
- mpalmer 5mo ago
  Bit rich calling US/CA a tech backwater when it comes to online speech.

by neilv 5mo ago

pwg 5mo ago

If you go take a read through the CA bill text that "became law", you'll quickly realize that whomever did write it must live in a very narrow bubble where the only "computers" that exist in the world are tablet style cell phones, the only OS'es that exist in the world are Android and iOS, and the only way anyone installs any software on the only computers that exist is via an "app store". Meanwhile, while the overall writing clearly indicates the author has a very narrow view of "computers", the definitions of the terms is so broad that every computer, even the tiny embedded CPU in your microwave oven, might just need to ask your age before it allows you to do anything.

wtallis 5mo ago
> every computer, even the tiny embedded CPU in your microwave oven, might just need to ask your age before it allows you to do anything. Why do I keep seeing this bullshit exaggeration? It doesn't help anything to make such ridiculous statements. Nobody's microwave oven has an app store.
- inetknght 5mo ago
  > Nobody's microwave oven has an app store. Meanwhile, Samsung refrigerators can have an app store.

pizzafeelsright 5mo ago

No, no, and absolutely. The bill is written 'do good, stop bad stuff by establishing a committee or group to make sure fund good stuff, bad stuff doesn't happen' then the law passes and lobbyists write the details that fund the programs that tax the people that generate the income for companies that donate to the politicians that sell their votes to the lobbyists and interest groups. California politicians start with the end goal "maintain power, secure revolt, obtain capital, deny failure". It goes beyond lying to your face. They will be convincingly genuine, heartfelt, while finding a way to extract as much as possible for themselves, by extension their party, by extension the 'government' and do absolutely anything to keep the illusion that you have a choice, a vote, and a voice. I lived here my whole life. These politicians are evil. Lie, cheat, and steal - deny if caught, punish if provoked.

jeffbee 5mo ago

The bill was written by Buffy Wicks, who represents me in the State Assembly, who is very good on housing, transportation, and climate, and who should absolutely stay in her lane and not try to legislate platform APIs.

oceansky 5mo ago

Meta alone spent 2 billion dollars lobbying for this worldwide, and it was a massive success, it's passing everywhere unanimously.

Aurornis 5mo ago
Meta has not spent $2 billion lobbying for this or on lobbying altogether. It’s amazing how that one AI slop project that made this claim got so many people to believe this number. Spreading this disproven AI slop around isn’t helping. It just makes opposition look like uninformed conspiracy theorists who can’t fact check anything.
- frm88 5mo ago
  Meta is lobbying to get age verification installed at the OS level so that they don't have to bear the cost themselves. I know nothing of the $2B but the fact that Meta influences the legislation can hardly be denied: During the meeting, Meta executives, including Antigone Davis, global head of safety, are understood to have argued that any age checks should be handled on a smartphone operating system rather than by the likes of Meta. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/meta-urges-labour-burden-apple-142724331.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/meta-urges-labo...
thesmtsolver2 5mo ago
Citation for this claim? Searching lands on this page without any citations and seems AI generated slop: https://captaincompliance.com/education/meta-is-spending-2-billion-to-build-a-surveillance-system-it-just-doesnt-want-you-to-call-it-that/ https://captaincompliance.com/education/meta-is-spending-2-b...
- Aurornis 5mo ago
  There was an AI generated slop report posted to Reddit that went viral. It even got some news coverage before anyone stopped to read the files and discover that it was gibberish. I still get downvoted for pointing it out and trying to ground the conversation in facts. As you noticed the story continues to thrive on bad news sites and social media.

ErroneousBosh 5mo ago

> Who is actually writing this very concerning California Internet legislation, which will ultimately affect the entire nation and world? Why would it affect the entire world? One technological backwater is Having A Massive Sad over people using rude words on the internet, so they think they can tell everyone else what do to?

mpalmer 5mo ago
Bit rich calling US/CA a tech backwater when it comes to online speech.