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> Some FAANGs are doing amazing things with unlimited tokens. Would love to know what things!

by fsloth 4mo ago

arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
OP (solenoid0937) is an unfounded AI-hype peddler and an Anthropic shill (check their comment history), do not expect them to provide an actual example of their wild claims.
- dgellow 4mo ago
  I checked their history and they seem alright ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  - deleted 4mo ago
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  - arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
    Here, just a few examples over the last 9 days, in no particular order of exaggeration magnitude: Unsubstantiated claims of 3x-10x productivity at allegedly a FAANG: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48174666 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48174666 More claims of the same, still unsubstantiated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173995 Even more claims of the same, still nothing of substance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 Outlandish claim of using 300$ in tokens in 1 hour at allegedly a FAANG: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48158438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48158438 Ostensibly great things with unlimited tokens at allegedly a FAANG: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48269185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48269185 Complaints about HN "not getting" AI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245673 An attempt to validate vibe-coding in production: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651 Whitewashing Claude degradation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48211638 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48211638 More Claude degradation whitewashing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245784 Whitewashing Anthropic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48199951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48199951 Promises of coming AI revolution: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48188104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48188104 All of this serves to hype up the LLM technology with absolutely outlandish claims, while also propping up Anthropic online.
    - solenoid0937 4mo ago
      This is so cool, I have my own fan on HN that cherry picks my comment history to call me a shill!
      - arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
        You could have easily disproved my claim by linking your comments with a more balanced or nuanced opinions on the matter, except you cannot, because there is only even more outlandish and wild stuff you say about AI and LLMs.
        dgellow 4mo ago
        It‘s perfectly ok to share opinions that aren’t nuanced or balanced. You seem to have something strongly against that specific user, the fact that you felt the need to go through so much of their history, post a massive list of their „suspicious“ comments, and mention in multiple places how they are a shill is pretty concerning imho and doesn’t make you look good at all. Their activity looks fine, they seem to be enthusiastic and optimistic about the technology, but that’s pretty much it. And now you’re asking them to somehow disprove they aren’t a shill? How would that even work. You seem unnecessarily antagonistic towards that user
        arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
        It is not just me who finds solenoid0937 account suspicious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 I did not have to go through "so much of their history", this is just the last 9 days. There are considerably wilder claims from them earlier, when the account was solely focused on propping up LLM-hype and defending Anthropic. We are living through a period of time with one of the potentially most disruptive technologies ever being developed. A lot (A LOT) of money is invested into it, a lot of livelihoods are and might be affected by it, and some people stand to gain A LOT from it. So there are significant interests to sway public opinion in favour of LLMs and AI, to hype it up to unreasonable extent, to muddle the waters of a reasonable discourse. Accounts such as solenoid0937 are unleashed on public forums to achieve that, and because of that we have to take everything they write with a huge grain of salt, or even ignore completely, as there is just no true information in their comments. You yourself got baited by them by considering what they wrote seriously regarding "amazing things with unlimited tokens". Now the idea that "LLMs 1) are used in one of FAANGs massively and 2) are used to produce amazing things" is planted. Will you remember later that they did not actually provide any evidence of that? The account has been doing this trick multiple times over the last few weeks. For me, as someone who is actually using LLMs in their work, a single balanced comment on the matter would have been more than enough to consider them not being a shill. Unfortunately, instead they have claimed recently that they went completely full-on with agentic coding (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245721) skipping reviews and pushing to prod directly (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651) at a FAANG, no less. And they claimed it in such a manner that this is objectively the only proper way to do the work, and all other approaches are doomed. How is this anything else than peddling unfounded LLM-hype, I do not know. The example above might seem like a singular episode, but they have been doing it over and over for the last year and a half, so this is now a pattern. No actual evidence for any of their claims is provided, so the only thing left is AI-hype, and pretty wild at that. So why would a reasonable person, with ostensibly enough money to retire (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48252297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48252297), ostensibly working at a FAANG, spend all their days spreading unfounded AI-hype in a degrading manner on HN and defending Anthropic? Given the vested financial interest in the technology, the most plausible answer here is that they are paid to do so.

> Some FAANGs are doing amazing things with unlimited tokens. Would love to know what things!

by fsloth 4mo ago

> Some FAANGs are doing amazing things with unlimited tokens. Would love to know what things!

OP (solenoid0937) is an unfounded AI-hype peddler and an Anthropic shill (check their comment history), do not expect them to provide an actual example of their wild claims.

dgellow 4mo ago
I checked their history and they seem alright ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- deleted 4mo ago
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- arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
  Here, just a few examples over the last 9 days, in no particular order of exaggeration magnitude: Unsubstantiated claims of 3x-10x productivity at allegedly a FAANG: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48174666 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48174666 More claims of the same, still unsubstantiated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173995 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173995 Even more claims of the same, still nothing of substance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 Outlandish claim of using 300$ in tokens in 1 hour at allegedly a FAANG: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48158438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48158438 Ostensibly great things with unlimited tokens at allegedly a FAANG: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48269185 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48269185 Complaints about HN "not getting" AI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245673 An attempt to validate vibe-coding in production: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651 Whitewashing Claude degradation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48211638 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48211638 More Claude degradation whitewashing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245784 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245784 Whitewashing Anthropic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48199951 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48199951 Promises of coming AI revolution: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48188104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48188104 All of this serves to hype up the LLM technology with absolutely outlandish claims, while also propping up Anthropic online.
  - solenoid0937 4mo ago
    This is so cool, I have my own fan on HN that cherry picks my comment history to call me a shill!
    - arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
      You could have easily disproved my claim by linking your comments with a more balanced or nuanced opinions on the matter, except you cannot, because there is only even more outlandish and wild stuff you say about AI and LLMs.
      - dgellow 4mo ago
        It‘s perfectly ok to share opinions that aren’t nuanced or balanced. You seem to have something strongly against that specific user, the fact that you felt the need to go through so much of their history, post a massive list of their „suspicious“ comments, and mention in multiple places how they are a shill is pretty concerning imho and doesn’t make you look good at all. Their activity looks fine, they seem to be enthusiastic and optimistic about the technology, but that’s pretty much it. And now you’re asking them to somehow disprove they aren’t a shill? How would that even work. You seem unnecessarily antagonistic towards that user
        arkadiytehgraet 4mo ago
        It is not just me who finds solenoid0937 account suspicious: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48173975 I did not have to go through "so much of their history", this is just the last 9 days. There are considerably wilder claims from them earlier, when the account was solely focused on propping up LLM-hype and defending Anthropic. We are living through a period of time with one of the potentially most disruptive technologies ever being developed. A lot (A LOT) of money is invested into it, a lot of livelihoods are and might be affected by it, and some people stand to gain A LOT from it. So there are significant interests to sway public opinion in favour of LLMs and AI, to hype it up to unreasonable extent, to muddle the waters of a reasonable discourse. Accounts such as solenoid0937 are unleashed on public forums to achieve that, and because of that we have to take everything they write with a huge grain of salt, or even ignore completely, as there is just no true information in their comments. You yourself got baited by them by considering what they wrote seriously regarding "amazing things with unlimited tokens". Now the idea that "LLMs 1) are used in one of FAANGs massively and 2) are used to produce amazing things" is planted. Will you remember later that they did not actually provide any evidence of that? The account has been doing this trick multiple times over the last few weeks. For me, as someone who is actually using LLMs in their work, a single balanced comment on the matter would have been more than enough to consider them not being a shill. Unfortunately, instead they have claimed recently that they went completely full-on with agentic coding (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48245721) skipping reviews and pushing to prod directly (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48243651) at a FAANG, no less. And they claimed it in such a manner that this is objectively the only proper way to do the work, and all other approaches are doomed. How is this anything else than peddling unfounded LLM-hype, I do not know. The example above might seem like a singular episode, but they have been doing it over and over for the last year and a half, so this is now a pattern. No actual evidence for any of their claims is provided, so the only thing left is AI-hype, and pretty wild at that. So why would a reasonable person, with ostensibly enough money to retire (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48252297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48252297), ostensibly working at a FAANG, spend all their days spreading unfounded AI-hype in a degrading manner on HN and defending Anthropic? Given the vested financial interest in the technology, the most plausible answer here is that they are paid to do so.